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bejammin075 Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 04:04 AM
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NH primary recount moving forward!
http://grannywarrior.chipin.com/mypages/view/id/f4f0c43cf84bf880

The website above appears to be Republican citizens raising money to do a state-wide hand count of ALL paper ballots in the NH primary. Other than being Republicans, their concerns are the same as ours - that 100% of votes be counted transparently and verifiably. They claim to have raised about $30,000 so far. A commenter on the latest BradBlog thread said the recount fee is $55,600, although I can't find that mentioned anywhere official.

From what I read, Republican candidate Albert Howard saw his vote totals go up in number, but later went down. Puzzled at how votes can go backwards with additional counting, Howard wants to know what the deal is.

I don't see anything on the Kucinich website to indicate they are on top of this, but hopefully they are. The full recount fee needs to be paid on Tuesday, and the recount will start on Wednesday. If Kucinich has a fund specifically for the recount, the site is burried somewhere out of sight.

I hope the recount moves forward. Without excess shenanigans.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 04:32 AM
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1. I have major doubts the results--whatever they might be...
will put any issues to rest-- just increase the circular Democratic firing squad, I'd imagine and will likely undermine nationwide attempts to remove paperless voting. And, that is because of the not-so-subtle suggestions that HRC somehow "cheated." If it had been approached as merely a need to reconcile inconsistencies, it would be one thing. But, rather, we are handing more and more ammunition against dems to the rethuglicans.
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Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 04:54 AM
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2. I'm not sure I follow
I haven't heard any mention of Clinton cheating. I have heard that the votes were screwy and that the systems used were verifiably hackable. Any move to make our voting system less vulnerable to manipulation is good, right? Ignore who won and lost and just look at the facts seems like a good way to proceed.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 05:03 AM
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4. Wow, if you've missed those insinuations....
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 05:08 AM by hlthe2b
They've been out there in MSM widely--and on DU as well.

While I generally agree with your point, this one may prove the law of unintended consequences. If nothing is found, it will have some unwilling to accept and will give others (e.g., rethugs) a chance to say, "see we told you. All this voting problem is muchado about nothing." Alternately, they can use this episode to push the meme that the November election (assuming we win) "was stolen by the Dems, just as the NH primary...."

We may just have put our eggs in one basket, and a poor basket at that. There were perfectly reasonable explanations for the discrepancy in this case in terms of biased samples in the exit polling. So, we are likely to get a negative or largely negative finding. Does this mean there are no problems with these scanner systems? No. But, the larger issue is the paperless voting systems and this "investigation" may well allow that more critical issue to be buried.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 04:58 AM
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3. When we win in November,
and if we make the major gains in Congress that I think we can, the repubs will be doing all the yelling and finger-pointing. They will shout that we cheated to win.

It will not matter that many Democrats have been complaining about the machines for years. It will get media attention because it will be the repubs doing the complaining. And they will point to our "suggestions" that Clinton "cheated" in the primary when they lead the charge.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 05:06 AM
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5. Yup...
We may just have played right into their hands...
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Blue Congress Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:19 PM
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6. Let's have open fair election with paper ballots
where no one can be accused of foul play and there will be no problem. This is a win win situation.

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