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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-08-06 11:35 PM Original message |
FL CD-13: Hacked or just unlucky for Democrats? |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-09-06 01:40 AM Response to Original message |
1. That was one heck of a story at the link. |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 09:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
80. If fraud is proven in this race, will they go back and look at the many counties |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 12:17 AM Response to Reply #80 |
92. What is the punishment for Colusion/Malfeasance by the SOE/SOS in approving obviously biased ballot |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-09-06 08:27 AM Response to Original message |
2. Obviously hacked; another stolen Florida election |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-09-06 08:31 AM Response to Original message |
3. Election Supervisor suggests voters may not be interested in Cong. race-didn't bother to vote |
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adamuu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-09-06 07:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
16. i know isn't that ridiculous? |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-09-06 10:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
24. There is evidence from election officials that what Dent says is not true |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-11-06 12:50 AM Response to Reply #24 |
44. Lots of undervotes in Sarasota in 04, but hugely more in 06 |
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Votergater (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 07:19 AM Response to Reply #44 |
71. Ms. Dent is ignorant or lying |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-11-06 01:21 AM Response to Reply #3 |
45. Analysis of Undervotes in New Mexico’s 2004 Presidential Ballots- what caused? |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-09-06 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
4. Polls showed Jennings far ahead? But how to recount paperless ballots? |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-09-06 11:37 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. TIA's poll numbers |
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Patsy Stone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-09-06 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
5. Headed for a recount |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-09-06 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
7. The Candidate Speaks! (But a recount will not help in this case.) |
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BruceMcF (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-09-06 06:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Even a paper trail EVM won't catch this ... |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-09-06 09:16 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. You are correct sir. And welcome to DU! nt |
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BruceMcF (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-11-06 01:53 PM Response to Reply #19 |
51. Election fever, I assure you. |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 09:14 PM Response to Reply #51 |
68. Well now that you will no longer be the CA SoS, you'll have plenty of time |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-09-06 09:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
22. This appears to be deliberate systematic hack - based on the pattern |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-09-06 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
8. Gee, any chance we can K&R this one, or is this just a CA-50 forum? nt |
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rumpel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-09-06 02:04 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. definitely |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-09-06 03:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. sorry, brain fog... done |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-09-06 06:30 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Sure. |
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nicknameless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-09-06 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
11. K&R |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-09-06 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
14. Sounds like the new House should decide this one |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-09-06 10:21 PM Response to Reply #14 |
25. Will current or new house decide this one? likely would make a difference |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-09-06 11:22 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. The election is for the next House, so for the next House to decide. |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-09-06 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
15. Thanks for posting this n/t |
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greeneyedboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-09-06 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
17. the Fla. Democratic Party needs your help - see this link |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-09-06 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
18. Here's what the PAPER ballot looked like: |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-09-06 09:32 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. I'm trying to spread the word |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-09-06 10:49 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. I notice that the close State Attorney General race also had lots of undervotes |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 05:55 PM Response to Reply #27 |
37. Charlotte, Lee, Sumter |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 07:20 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. You consider 7% not very high? U..S, Senate was 1.8% & I think that was high |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 11:04 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. 7% in the AG race in Sarasota? |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 04:56 PM Response to Reply #41 |
61. What is the URL for Florida undervotes and overvotes? |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 09:16 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. oops, never saw this question here |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 09:40 PM Response to Reply #18 |
93. I'm told there were 9 ballot versions and not many were like this one |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-09-06 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
21. Herald Tribune followup on Jennings district 13 hack |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-09-06 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
23. Florida Dist. 70 used same machines and likewise very close |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-09-06 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
26. At the risk of being piled on... |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 10:51 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. but this needs a very close look |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 02:04 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Quick search of Google news: |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 09:15 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. I think that the evidence is quite compelling that the machines is |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 11:05 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. that's about where I am |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:28 PM Response to Reply #40 |
74. It may be true like the SOE says that her people don't have access, but the ES&S reps do have access |
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Votergater (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 07:28 AM Response to Reply #30 |
72. Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from fraud. |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 03:34 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. unreliability is not the main problem; manipulation is documented |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 09:12 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. Sigh |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-11-06 10:39 AM Response to Reply #39 |
47. This can be easily proven by a machine audit |
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BruceMcF (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-11-06 01:54 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. And also that the result of the audit is competent and honest. |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-11-06 03:37 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. I agree that should have been done |
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SarasotaDem (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 08:05 AM Response to Original message |
29. Here in Sarasota |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 01:37 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Is that a technical possibility? |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 04:09 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. I don't know the specific statutes but would assume that if it can be |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 04:02 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. Sarasota voters approved getting rid of touch screens by 2008 |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-11-06 10:47 AM Response to Reply #29 |
48. Examples of reported switching in Sarasota in 2004 |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 06:08 PM Response to Reply #48 |
64. Sarasota poll worker describes what she observed on election day |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:32 PM Response to Reply #64 |
75. followup inquiry of poll worker to me and my response re: other similar cases |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:33 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Reports by voters in 2004 in Mahoning Co. Ohio similar to the voters in Sarasota in 2006 |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:42 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Reports by Broward Co. voters in 2004 of switch to blank similar to that reported in Sarasota this y |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 08:16 PM Response to Reply #64 |
89. Voters descritions of anomalies they saw on election day in Sarasota |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 06:04 PM Response to Reply #29 |
63. Sarasota poll worker gives further info on what she observed |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
34. Dist 13 problem appears to be "delayed switch to blank" hack seen in 2004 also |
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greeneyedboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-11-06 12:04 AM Response to Original message |
43. any news on this? |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-11-06 10:33 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. the Sarasota Herald-Tribune is doing great work |
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greeneyedboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 12:48 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. thanks. here's their index of all articles on this issue. |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-11-06 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
49. New documentation on Sarasota "glitches" by VotersUnite- paper ABs only 1.8% undervote |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-11-06 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
50. Kick |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 01:02 AM Response to Original message |
54. Undervotes and overvotes in Sarasota |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 01:13 AM Response to Original message |
55. Legal brief of some issues in the proposed recount of Dist 13 |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 01:16 AM Response to Original message |
56. dup |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 08:26 PM Response to Reply #56 |
94. EIRS (Election incident Report System) calls by voters to EP hotline |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 06:46 AM Response to Original message |
57. Kick again |
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greeneyedboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
59. NYT has an article on it, too |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
60. Voter describes what happened to her friends votes in Sarasota |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 04:58 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Jennings Campaign ask any voter in Sarasota who had problem contact them asap! |
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Cookie wookie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 08:18 PM Response to Reply #62 |
73. you need to strip out people's email addresses |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
65. Cong. Districts 9 and 11 in Hillsboro- a nearby county with touch screens was much less than Dist 13 |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 10:38 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Interactive Undervote map Jennings vs. Buchanan, Sarasota FL |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 08:37 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. More Hillsboro County undervote percents- update- co. uses touch screens |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 09:53 PM Response to Reply #65 |
84. Low undervotes in neighboring Manatee Co.-- CD13 UV less than other Cong. races |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 12:56 AM Response to Original message |
70. Does anyone know if provisional votes have been counted in Florida? if not would they swing result? |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
78. More examples of Touch Screen Switch to Blank in Florida in 2004(Undervotes) |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 07:25 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. More examples of Touch Screen Switch to Blank in Ohio and Calif in 2004(undervotes) |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 07:27 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. More examples of Touch Screen Switch to Blank in Mahoning Co. Ohio in 2004 |
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AnnieBW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
82. I was in Florida over the weekend |
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stevenstevensteven (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
83. Where to look |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 10:28 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. What do you mean regarding PEBs? |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
86. Highest undervotes was in early voting- 17.3%; who were the early voters? |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 11:52 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. huge difference in D13 and the other major race undervotes |
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Awsi Dooger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 01:08 AM Response to Original message |
88. Interesting suggestion on Sarasota Tribune forum |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
90. All top level national or state races in Opti-S counties & most TS have low undervotes |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 08:18 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Note from table all comparable congressional races in Fl. counties had low undervotes |
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