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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:10 AM
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Is This What They Call a "Sea Change?"
Edited on Sat Oct-28-06 01:15 AM by Bill Bored
Check out this testimony from NY State Senator Liz Krueger from Sept. 2005:



"As a State Legislator, I submit that we, the Legislature, failed the residents of New York State regarding HAVA compliance. For over two years the Legislature dithered, while every other state in the union passed legislation addressing HAVA. Only when New York State was in danger of being fined for non-compliance did the leadership finally address the matter."

<http://www.votetrustusa.org/index.php?option=com_conten... >

And today, this:



"Make no mistake - there are serious problems with the old lever machines - they do not allow many voters with disabilities to cast a private vote, and they break down all too frequently," Krueger said. "But they do have the critical advantage of being hack-proof. Unfortunately, that is not true of all the new voting machines under consideration and I am extremely concerned that localities throughout New York State will make decisions on new voting technologies under the influence of highly paid lobbyists for voting machine companies."

And this:

"Many states immediately complied with the rushed 2002 HAVA standards, all because of residual concern stemming from the 2000 presidential election," Krueger explained. "In 2005, HAVA standards were again revised, and now voters in those states are left with machines that are not in compliance with the most recent standards. It is New York's responsibility to get it right, not rush to meet an arbitrary 2007 federal deadline."

-snip-

Douglas Kellner, co-chair of the New York State Board of Elections, recently advised during a new voting technology forum, that none of these machines may actually meet New York stringent standards. If that is the case, the State must then decide whether to certify those machines closest, or to go to court for an extension.

Krueger concluded, "New York has definitely benefited from being slow. We are still learning from the mistakes of others. They did not get this right-for the credibility of our electoral system, we must."

<http://www.northcountrygazette.org/articles/102606HAVAC... >

Live and learn!
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 10:09 PM
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1. Well, I guess I'll just kick my own little thread!
Edited on Sat Oct-28-06 10:11 PM by Bill Bored
Because I know my vote will count! :kick:

Soon, we'll have a Dem Governor, :kick:

2 Dem Senators, :kick: :kick:

a bunch of Dem Congress Critters,
:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:

hopefully NOT Peter King, :puke:

and a few other Pukes just to keep us honest. :puke: :puke: :puke:

Now THAT'S what I call an ELECTION! :kick:

The only train wrecks around here involve railroads (and occasionally subways)!

I :loveya:
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 10:39 PM
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2. There were lots of problems/fraud with the vote in N.Y. in 2004
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 01:16 AM
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3. Compare the per capita EIRS complaints to other states and get back to me.
We've got 11-million voters in this state! Your bound to have a few complaints! I'm not saying it's perfect but they do count the votes here.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 01:23 AM
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4. Nice when you get to say "I told you so"
Its those rude New Yorkers.

Too busy to go out and buy voting machines. : O

also, stupid www.Electionline.org kept sending out these
hysterical HAVA alerts all over the place:

Alert! The sky is falling, New York is not compliant with HAVA!

OMG OMG OMG OMG!!!

Yep, good old electionline, who has Doug Lewis (of the Election Center)
as an advisor.

I think there will be alot of "I told you so"-ing going on this year.

Notice that Lou Dobbs doesn't have the electionline pimps on his show,
but does have Vote Trust peeps and others?

OMG, you didn't spend Gazillions on POS crappy electronic voting machines,
you awful rude New Yorkers.

Just kidding.

Now you get to say I told you so, over and over.
Whew, that took a long time!
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 11:33 AM
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5. Question for you and NY Bill
How are the votes from the levers tabulated? Is MS Access used to tally the votes from different precincts? And then used again to add up the statewide votes?

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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 11:49 AM
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6. Lever machines have no electronic data interfaces.
Edited on Sun Oct-29-06 11:50 AM by Bill Bored
The results are copied manually into a spreadsheet of some kind; I don't know which one. But observers from both major parties (at least) are present when totals are recorded.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 11:58 AM
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7. So, it could be MS Access?
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 05:37 PM
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8. Access is not a spreadsheet program.
Edited on Mon Oct-30-06 05:38 PM by Bill Bored
I suppose they could use Excel though.

Why, do you have a problem with Spreadsheets?

This reminds me of a Seinfeld episode!:

http://www.seinology.com/scripts/script-60.shtml

DOCTOR: I just wanted to stop by -- see if you had any questions about tomorrow's operation.

KRAMER: Ah, Yeah Yeah, I have a - I have a question, um -- What do you know about inter-abdominal retractors?

DOCTOR: Are you asking because you saw "20/20" last night?

KRAMER: I sure am.

DOCTOR: Well that report was about *one* very specific type of retractor and I can assure you we do not use that retractor in your friend's procedure.

KRAMER: But you *will* use... a retractor.

DOCTOR: We have to...

KRAMER: Mmm-hmm... (turns and walks away, makes a face, raises his eyebrows, nodding his head, then turns back to the group.)


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