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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:29 AM
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"Conspiracy Theorists" in the News
It's really getting tired. Can't they think of any other way to dismiss us? Why does EVERY article on Voting Fraud have to employ this hackneyed phrase? Here are just a few.



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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A41106-20...
Latest Conspiracy Theory -- Kerry Won -- Hits the Ether

Even as Sen. John F. Kerry's campaign is steadfastly refusing to challenge the results of the presidential election, the bloggers and the mortally wounded party loyalists and the spreadsheet-wielding conspiracy theorists are filling the Internet with head-turning allegations. There is the one about more ballots cast than registered voters in the big Ohio county anchored by Cleveland. There are claims that a suspicious number of Florida counties ended up with Bush vote totals that were far larger than the number of registered Republican voters. And then there is the one that might be the most popular of all: the exit polls that showed Kerry winning big weren't wrong -- they were right.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/11/opinion/main6...
A Stolen Election?
Nov. 11, 2004
(The Nation) This column from The Nation was written by David Corn.

Before the vote counting was done, the e-mails started arriving. The election's been stolen! Fraud! John Kerry won! In the following days, these charges flew over the Internet. The basic claim was that the early exit polls -- which showed Kerry ahead of George W. Bush -- were right; the vote tallies were rigged. Could this be? Or have ballot booths with electronic voting machines become the new Grassy Knoll for conspiracy theorists?
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OLBERMANN CAN 'COUNTDOWN,' BUT CAN HE COUNT UP?
Wed Nov 10, 6:41 PM ET
By Ann Coulter

On Fox News' "Special Report," Brit Hume raised the nut conspiracy theories circulating on the Web about Republicans stealing the presidential election. The liberals on the panel responded by quickly pointing out that no national Democrats -- not even Terry McAuliffe! -- had suggested that there had been any systematic vote theft. Hume admitted the rumors of vote fraud were limited to nutcases on the Web.
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http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=%5CPolitic...
Conservative John Fund Jabs Voter Conspiracy Theorists
By Marc Morano
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
November 12, 2004

Washington (CNSNews.com) - The charge by some on the left that President George Bush stole the 2004 presidential election was dismissed Thursday as "Internet conspiracy theories" by the author of a new book on voter fraud.

John Fund, the author of "Stealing Elections: How Voter Fraud Threatens Our Democracy" and columnist for the Wall Street Journal, told CNSNews.com that "you can always tell a losing party by the number of people in the fever swamps who come up with elaborate conspiracy theories to explain the fact that the real problem is they lost an election."
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http://www.palmbeachpost.com/politics/content/news/epap...
Bush's wins on Democratic turf fuel conspiracy cries
By Jane Musgrave
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Friday, November 12, 2004

Internet bloggers and other conspiracy theorists point to Dixie and many of the state's other rural Democratic-leaning counties to shore up their beliefs that the election was stolen from Kerry.
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http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?artic...
Conspiracy theorists focus on voting machines
By DAN THANH DANG
The Baltimore Sun
Comcast

John F. Kerry barely had time to concede the presidential race before the conspiracy theory began circulating.

Democratic Underground, a Web site founded in January 2001 "to protest the illegitimate presidency of George W. Bush," immediately questioned how Bush ended up with "a mysterious 5 percent advantage," despite early exit polling that showed Kerry with the lead.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39521-20...
The Vote Fraud Buzz
By Dan Froomkin
Special to washingtonpost.com
Wednesday, November 10, 2004; 12:01 PM

Rick Klein writes in the Boston Globe: "A week after Kerry conceded and Bush declared victory, those assertions and scores of others from New Mexico to North Carolina have kept alive fierce speculation that Bush's victory either wasn't real or wasn't as decisive as it seemed. With memories fresh from the 2000 irregularities, e-mails and Web postings accuse Republicans of stealing an election.

"Much of the traffic is little more than Internet-fueled conspiracy theories, and none of the vote-counting problems and anomalies that have emerged are sufficiently widespread to have affected the election's ultimate result. . . .
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http://slate.msn.com/id/2109141 /
Rage Against the Machines
The Web wonders if electronic voting machines stole the election.
By Josh Levin
Posted Wednesday, Nov. 3, 2004, at 4:34 PM PT

The fact that the race hinged on Ohio inspired some conspiracy-minded folk to remember Diebold Chairman and CEO Walden O'Dell's August 2003 vow that he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes for the president." Comments on Oliver Willis' blog, for instance, speculate that perhaps Diebold, an electronic voting machine manufacturer, had something to do with Green Party candidate David Cobb's huge early vote totals in some Ohio counties. (These numbers were later corrected.)

But conspiracy theorists really latched onto John Kerry's promising exit-poll numbers. Just months ago, there was a lot of controversy over whether exit polls revealed election fraud in Venezuela. Is it possible that American exit polls weren't wrong, but, rather, exposed that Kerry's early afternoon advantages had been erased by a GOP-friendly hacker?

The News Target Network has a rundown on Bush's "mysterious '5% advantage' " in states that use electronic voting here. The site Democratic Underground, which as of 4:20 p.m. PT Nov. 3 has closed its forums to non-registered users, argued that hanky panky could have happened in states that don't have paper receipts. "EVERY STATE that has EVoting but no paper trails has an unexplained advantage for Bush of around +5% when comparing exit polls to actual results." On the other hand, "In EVERY STATE that has paper audit trails on their EVoting, the exit poll results match the actual results reported within the margin of error."
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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/20020877...
Thursday, November 11, 2004 - Page updated at 12:00 A.M.
Conspiracy theories about presidential election flood Internet
By Manuel Roig-Franzia and Dan Keating

MIAMI The e-mail subject lines couldn't be any bigger and bolder: "Another Stolen Election," "Presidential election was hacked," "Ohio Fraud."

Even as Sen. John Kerry's campaign is steadfastly refusing to challenge the results of the presidential election, the bloggers and the mortally wounded party loyalists and the spreadsheet-wielding conspiracy theorists are filling the Internet with head-turning allegations.
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RuleofLaw Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:31 AM
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1. Considering that we have more proof of irregularities
than the Bush* administration had for Saddam Hussein having WMD, how come they didn't call that a Conspiracy Theory?
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:37 AM
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2. It is a desperate attempt to marginalize the truth...
it is up to those on the net to keep nailing them with their own inconsistencies as well as statistical data that negates their own reports, imo.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 10:04 AM
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3. 'Evidence' of election fraud just doesn't fly - San Diego Union-Tribune
Looks like this is the day they all decided to speak with one voice.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20041112/news_1...
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 01:40 PM
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8. Which leads me to believe they got the memo
Or they called the 800 number - 1-800-KKK-Karl
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nodictators Donating Member (977 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 10:07 AM
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4. Dan Keating, a co-author of the Seattle Times article ran a conspiracy,
called the Florida Ballot Project. Keating, a co-leader of the Data Analysis Working Group which crunched the numbers from the NORC data, joined with his cohorts in claiming Florida 2000, happened because of voter errors.

By assuming that, they exonerated Katherine Harris, Jeb Bush, Theresa LePore, et al, from any blame in the Stolen Election 2000. They blamed blacks and seniors for everything.
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 10:19 AM
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5. Is NY state senate race flip a conspiracy theory? e-mail this to them
Edited on Fri Nov-12-04 10:22 AM by Carl Brennan
Shove this in the mainstream Press's face:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Brief summary... Senate race. Dem - Stewart-Cousins. Rep - Spano. Spano won the election. A recount is being done and as there were more Dem votes in the machines then were recorded during the election, the Dem is now winning in the recount. We may get a Senate seat to flip to a Dem.

<http://www.wnbc.com/politics/3902820/detail.html >

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"The two sides have traded allegations about irregularities in the voting, with Republicans claiming voters were imported from New York City and Democrats claiming voters were harassed and voting machines were tampered with. All machines and records were impounded by judges.

The county Board of Elections disclosed Friday that seals on 22 machines were damaged or missing.

As the recount progressed on Monday, election workers, closely watched by representatives of the campaigns, compared vote totals recorded on machines with the tallies reported by poll workers on Election Night.

Jonathan Rosen, director of the state Democrats' campaign committee, said Berger told him that nearly every machine had a higher count for Stewart-Cousins than was recorded. However, Spano also gained votes, including 80 from one machine, Rosen said."

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 10:37 AM
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6. Just noticed that I conveniently forgot to include the URL for Coulter
I guess subconsciously I couldn't bear to post it:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=108&nci...

I think it's interesting that Coulter and Fund spout this stuff and then everyone else chimes in. Straight from the Rove Talking Points.
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 10:41 AM
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7. The notion of God is a conspiracy theory.
Don't mean to be offensive, but...where's the proof?
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:12 PM
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9. "First they ignore you, then they mock you, then they attack you,.......
.......and then you win" -Ghandi :evilgrin:

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 03:48 PM
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10. Well they've got the mocking part down
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