Could it be like Malloy implied?

[springhill]

Could it be that this election was all for show. Maybe this is just not a republican thing. Why else would he not want any questions being raised about the election. This administration is either making me super paranoid, or I'm on the right track.

[never_get_over_it]

1. I've often wondered

about the Yale skull and bones thing - but I have to tell you if Kerry was acting - he should leave the Senate and go into acting....

[d_b]

2. I havn't talked to anyone about it...

but its' crossed my mind.

[DireStrike]

3. The ol' skull -n- bones?

Personally I don't think so. See Kerry's comments from right after the nomination when he said these guys were "the most crooked... lying..." whatever he said.

Of course, if this is a conspiracy, that would have been planted too...

But also, the incongruence of his concession with Edwards' statement about all the votes strikes me... And the fact that Kerry lawyers ARE involved, now, in the recount efforts.

Then there's the idea that Kerry really wanted to be prez all his life.

I don't know how to feel.

[AmyCrat]

11. Skull n Bones

If you read williamcooper.com, it's something you might believe.

[alittlelark]

4. I must say I have thought that too

That is why WE THE PEOPLE must fix this.

[shraby]

10. If it was all for show, don't you think the

one who is least apt to mess stuff up more would have won?

Considering Kerry's prior performances in protesting the Vietnam war, the BCCI takedown, the Iran/Contra investigation, I think Kerry is on the up and up.

His experiences as a prosecutor is to put his ducks in a row before lowering the hammer. I think the hammer is about to come down in a way that will keep the media from going into a frenzy.

[alittlelark]

15. I want to agree.... but I believe we are but tiny, ignorant specks

in the giant scheme of things. Enough of those specks will take down any monsterous beast.
I donated $2000 to Kerry, and I would like my $$$ back if he and his lawyers do nothing to address the eggregious Vote Fraud that has been uncovered.

[TexasChick]

16. shraby, that's it, right there! The BCCI thing. This is the reason why I

think it's not a Skull n Bones thing. Poppy Bush was implicated in the BCCI thing, so I don't think Kerry is in cahoots with the Chimp. Plus, Kerry was in a different year of the Skull n Bones than the Chimp. Don't know if that makes a difference or not.

[dhinojosa]

5. I wouldn't unleash "SwiftBoat Liar" commercials on my worst enemy.

Let alone a "fraternity brother". Sooooooooooo, no.

[Maat]

7. I don't believe it!

You could tell every time he spoke that he was giving his heart and soul to the campaign. And I thank him for that effort.

[Eric J in MN]

6. I was disappointed that Kerry conceded the next day, but

that doesn't mean that Kerry didn't really want to be president, and he was in cahoots with Bush to put on a show.

I belived that Kerry wanted to be president.

[lilfroggy]

23. me too

Otherwise he'd have to be a damn good actor.

[jsamuel]

8. I have to wip it out...

:tinfoilhat:

[txindy]

9. No

It can't be - isn't! - anything like that.

Look up BCCI and then Iran Contra. See the major - pivotal - roles John Kerry played in both investigations. See how neither Bush I nor Bush II made out too well in either case. There's a deep-seated anger there, not a fraternal spirit. End of story.

Thank you for your attention. ;)

[springhill]

12. But these investigations..................

How did they affect Bush and others involved? Was anyone convicted of anything or did anyone go on trial? What good came from them? I am asking, because I really don't know much about it. There are lots of investigations, like 911, which are just whitewashes. They have the appearance of a real investigation, but are not.

[txindy]

13. Loooong stories.

Bush I was implicated in Iran Contra, but was able to pardon key people as president, IIRC, and kept them from testifying. That you'll have to read. But if it wasn't for John Kerry, we never would have even known there was such an operation.

BCCI is a whole other kettle o' fish. Major bank. Much international corruption. Big names (Bush, bin Laden, and more). Bank folded. Guess who brought it down?

Zero fraternal spirit there. Deep anger and resentment.

Read about both investigations. It is fascinating. Really!

[jbnow]

25. Don't forget Cheney was there

In the House of Representatives back then...trying to squelch the investigation as the ranking Republican in the Iran-contra probe. He even filed a dissenting minority report with the Committee report, denying any significant wrong doing and claiming it to be a partisan effort.

Cheney surely remembered Kerry was NOT a flip-flopper. He was a bulldog.

[Eric J in MN]

14. People were covicted in Iran-Contra, but

it was often overturned based on technicalities.

Some were pardoned by Pres. George H. W. Bush.

[TexasChick]

18. None of the Bushies were implicated. I believe, if I am correct, that

some of Poppy Bush's overseas companies were the ones that were shut down (or the ones he was tied to - can't remember which it was - his own companies or just some that he had ties to). Damn, my memory is a bit shady, but Poppy Bush was implicated in the investigation, but I don't think any charges ever came for him.

[Kansas Wyatt]

26. They didn't dig deep enough.

A lot of people were pist that they stopped digging when it got close to VP George H. W. Bush.

[Carolab]

17. Yes, this is the stuff

that turned me around on Kerry, in the end. That, and "Going Upriver".

[Groggy]

19. yes.....

they are making you super paranoid! :eyes:

[GuardingVirginia]

20. that don't figure

...seems like they would be nicer if they were in it together. Why beat each other down over the service issue? The swift boat thing was low! and why drag in the the lesiban daughter. Don't buy it here.

[Nordic]

21. that's my worst fear, but I refuse to believe it

although the more research I do, and the more I learn, the more it looks close to the truth.

It ain't pretty out there.

Bread and circuses. Elections could be one of the circuses, the illusion of democracy.

[FormerOstrich]

22. I have posted this before but I want to again...

I try not to get caught up in the "conspiracy theory" stuff but occasionally I do...or at least think about it. What I hate most is we may never know.

Personally, I don't believe it was all for show. However, on more than one occasion I have to wonder if they were threatened in some way. In some big way. Like maybe the Cheney we really meant the US will get hit again if you win...in a big way....

Here are some excerpts that keep playing in my mind like there is some sort of hidden meaning in them.....

Alexandra Kerry, the Democratic nominee's 31-year-old daughter, disliked politics, but she campaigned hard for her father anyway, until one day hecklers called her a "baby killer." Weeping in her father's arms, she confessed her fear that the Republicans would steal the election. Kerry comforted her, telling her that he would not let that happen (just in case, his campaign recruited 10,000 lawyers).

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6407226/site/newsweek /


I would not give up this fight if there was a chance that we would prevail, but it is now clear that even when all the provisional ballots are counted, which they will be, there won't be enough outstanding votes for us to be able to win Ohio. And therefore, we cannot win this election.

...snip

"We've still got your back!"
Thank you, man. And I assure you, you watch, I'll still have yours. So hang in there.

I read many transcripts of the concession speech. Most did not include the little impromptu exchange from the audience. However, I did find the "so hang in there" quoted as something different. I swear I heard him say "more than you'll know" I know it doesn't even sound close but that's what I heard.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/03/politics/main...


President Bush decided to give Sen. Kerry the respect of more time to reflect on the results of this election,"


Something about this statement (delivered by Andrew Card) really stands my hair on end.......I don't know why but it really disturbs me.....

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/02/election.... /

[OnceAndFutureTruth]

24. No conspiracy. Think of what that must have been like for him. He spent

-what was it - two years out on the campaign trail.? And it was very nasty, remember, right there at the end. Attacks on Kerry himself, attacks on Theresa. I didn't even hear until just now that attack on his daughter you mention. And then the ObL tape - what a wildcard that must have felt like.

He really believed that he was winning right through the late afternoon on the day of the election. Everyone believed that. And then to find that it wasn't true, or didn't appear to be true. What an overwhelming let down that must have been. We can't expect our leaders to be super-human. Kerry fought hard; he wouldn't have conceded if at the time he believed there was a chance.