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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 12:24 PM
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Election night, 2004: What's Rove doing with this bank of computers?
Add your caption here, serious or otherwise.



By the way, the woman next to him is his executive assistant, Susan Ralston, whose previous job was as Jack Abramoff's personal secretary. Remember that Rove recalled about election day that he knew the exit polls were wrong because of his own "internal" polling. Remember also that Abramoff lobbied for Diebold and has ties to the creation of HAVA, which required electronic voting with no paper trail.

So what do you think ol' Karl might be saying into his telephone?


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sandrakae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 12:26 PM
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1. Rigging the election, of course.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 12:27 PM
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2. where the hell are those votes i paid for?
god damn it, you were bought, now f'ing stay bought!!
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 12:27 PM
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3. Don't worry about a thing
Jeb, I just put George 3 mil ahead in FLA!!! Let me call you back, I gotta get Ken Blackwell on the line....
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 12:34 PM
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4. "Does it look like a real election out there?"
I still don't understand this image. Al Gore was excoriated for making fund raising calls from his office. But, Karl Rove sets up a Bush campaign HQ in the White House and that's fine?

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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 01:00 PM
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7. you and me both
that picture has bugged me since i first saw it. can anyone say- hatch act??
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 08:17 PM
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20. Recommended just for your post here, sfexpat.
So right on. It pisses me off no end to see the double standard of what's acceptable and not between Dems and Repukes in election activities. :grr:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 05:14 PM
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45. The White House belongs to the People, not the ruling party.
Or, in theory it does. :(
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 12:51 PM
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5. Why, those computers are tied directly to Diebold, of course.
Edited on Sun Apr-16-06 12:51 PM by AndyA
After all, the CEO of Diebold guaranteed the Republicans a win. How else could he have done that?

We need to make sure Rove's computers are non-functional in November.

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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 12:51 PM
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6. Move 2000 blue votes to the red column in Warren County,
in Columbus move 3000, and in Cayahoga move 5000.

That should do it, good job!
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Ouabache Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 11:01 PM
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59. "yeAH don't worry about moving any votes in small rural counties
like Morrow County. There aren't many in a small county to move, so just move them in the BIG counties. No one will ever notice we lost 7% support in Morrow from 2000 to 2004. No one will ever question that if we lost 7% there why did we not lose more than 7% in URBAN counties."
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 01:20 PM
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8. "Don't worry about the exit polls; we'll adjust those later."
"And get Warren County locked down; we're gonna need to keep our options open there til we see how Cuyahoga comes in."
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 01:51 PM
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9. Change the vote flip formula to 1.0486 in Ohio; we're still losing!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 01:53 PM
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10. It wouldn't hurt if we kept pointing out Abramoff's ties to HAVA
Edited on Sun Apr-16-06 02:02 PM by sfexpat2000
and Rove. . . .

/t
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 01:55 PM
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11. Serious question
I'm betting that Rove was up to no good, but if he wasn't what was he doing?

Now that the dots have been connected with Abramoff, Diebold, and HAVA I especially find it hard to believe Rove is only "checking his numbers". Also, I keep thinking of J. Kenneth Blackwell and how he plays into this whole mess. Having a computer connected to the central tabulators is just too much of a coincidence.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 02:12 PM
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12. Seriously, why DID he need precinct-level, real-time results?
All the campaigning and get-out-the-vote efforts were already finished or in progress.

Did he really need to be the first guy in the nation just to know how the vote came out?

It makes no sense that he set up that huge operation just to "follow" the returns.

Given this cabal's mania for using every possible advantage, is it even possible to consider that they might NOT have used their inside knowledge of the voting system they helped set up?


:mad:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 02:34 PM
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13. No, it's not possible. Especially when you remember Jr.
beaming while Kerry was leading mid evening.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 03:29 PM
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15. Remember the looks of doom on his face, and Pickle's, after they voted?
They knew that they had lost.

Then later Karl got them out for a photo op to grin for the cameras.

Here's another version of the photo I found:



fficial%26sa%3DG" target="_blank">http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://198.66.21...

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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:04 AM
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33. Who's Pickle?
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:29 AM
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36. It should have read "Pickles'", referring to Laura.
The both looked awful coming out of the polling place in Texas.
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 03:01 PM
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14. Calling in a bombing campaign to start at 12:21, Because
he knows Kerry just beat the machine, and they are going to have to outright flip the election.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 03:31 PM
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16. "Cue the green shoes!"


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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:46 PM
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17. Now do you see why I wanted two-way communication between your
office and the county tabulators, Ken?
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:57 PM
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18. Gimme 100 bucks on Galloping FIlly in the 5th at Aqueduct.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 08:14 PM
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19. "Just do your part, Ken; remember what we did for Katherine Harris?"
"Everything is just fine...trust me, Mr. Secretary."

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Notoverit Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 08:38 PM
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21. Real caption - from BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3987237.stm

Early exit polls quoted by media seemed to give Mr Kerry the edge, but colleagues said Mr Rove indicated right away that they did not tally with his information.

He used his own data to put Ohio and Florida in the Bush column - bringing cheers from the president and his family when he went into the Roosevelt Room and told them
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 08:44 PM
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22. "He used his own data to put Ohio and Florida in the Bush column"
:)

That's pretty straightforward, isn't it?

Thank you, Notoverit, and a hearty (belated) welcome to DU.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:12 PM
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23. Wow! read this from link provided by Notoverit: Amazing...
Edited on Sun Apr-16-06 11:12 PM by Amaryllis
By the time election night came around, Mr Rove was in the White House, where, unusually for a political adviser, he has an office.

He set up computers in the Old Family Dining Room and started tabulating results. He had set up a massive network of contacts, not just in state capitals, but individual districts and precincts to monitor turnout and support.

Early exit polls quoted by media seemed to give Mr Kerry the edge, but colleagues said Mr Rove indicated right away that they did not tally with his information.

He used his own data to put Ohio and Florida in the Bush column - bringing cheers from the president and his family when he went into the Roosevelt Room and told them.

And when the TV networks gave either Ohio or Nevada to Mr Bush but not both - which would have led him to be declared as the winner - Mr Rove was one of the president's aides who got on the phone to news chiefs to try to pressure them to change their minds.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:14 PM
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24. He set up computers in the Old Family Dining Room & started tabulating
results
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:59 PM
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25. So...Karl Rove is the vote counter?
Why count?

Everyone has voted. Those votes are getting counted.

Why is Rove counting? Why does his count matter?


???
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:02 AM
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28. Mr Rove was one of the president's aides who got on the phone to news
Mr Rove was one of the president's aides who got on the phone to news chiefs to try to pressure them to change their minds. :grr:
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:02 AM
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32. That comment blew me away too. Not sure how to read it...
"And when the TV networks gave either Ohio or Nevada to Mr Bush but not both - which would have led him to be declared as the winner - Mr Rove was one of the president's aides who got on the phone to news chiefs to try to pressure them to change their minds."

Try to pressure them to change their minds about announcing a conclusive outcome YET because he knew the outcome would change, or????
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:05 AM
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34. This was all from BBC. Why didn't we hear about this? Never mind,
I knwo the answer.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 11:59 AM
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50. I do remember reading it or hearing it and I don't remember
where because I had no access to LBN at that point. I don't know if one of the anchors slipped or what.

But it makes me think that no matter how much they try to control our access to truth, the truth manages to slip out of their grasp.
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jkd Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 01:27 AM
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26. 
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:44 AM
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27. Are those Blackberrys?
the two guys behind Rove are using?
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:03 AM
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29. Probably. I don't think they would be playing a PS2 at a time like this.
I had never noticed that before. Good eye.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:30 AM
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37. what is the signficance of those being blackberrys?
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:17 PM
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39. Real time email.
anywhere you are, reach out and touch someone...


Phones are so passe.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 04:11 PM
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42. Yes, but Karl could do that on his bank of computers. dont need blackberry
for that.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 10:32 AM
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49. Well, it wouldn't be traced to Karl this way.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 02:37 PM
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51. NO phone or email records to subpoena...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 04:57 PM
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52. I guess I don't understand how BBs work.
The user isn't traceable?

If so, WE SHOULD ALL BE USING THEM.

No kidding, my telco handed my records to the NSA wrapped in a ribbon.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 08:08 PM
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53. Seriously? telco handed my records to the NSA wrapped in a ribbon.
Say more. How did you find out? This is freaky.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 02:05 AM
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54. EFF has ATT in court for giving us all up to the NSA. Link:
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 12:22 PM
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55. I thought you meant that you had found out that they had handed
over your SPECIFIC records...I knew about AT&T.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 03:58 PM
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56. Oh, no. Although, lol, it wouldn't surprise me because of
the level of THEIR paranoia.

I won't do a foia request because it's a waste of our time. It should creep me out (but doesn't) that I just assume that anything I post or email or say on the phone or even in our home could be overheard.

The whole idea is to chill our conversations. If I don't give them that, they don't have anything.

And, it's not as though consequences aren't real to me. One of my family members was arrested and held for a year in El Salvador and probably would have been executed in an alley had he not escaped and recieved political asylum in Mexico. I understand fully what despots are capable of.

We just keep moving anyway, right? :toast:



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Chi Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 09:41 AM
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30. 'I don't care about the damn exit polls..we need more votes...'
'I don't care about the damn exit polls..we need more votes in Cuyahoga.
we'll just have Uncle Warren spew the line about reluctant responders, they can't disprove that one
Tell Lucas they need to have a few more machines break down, I'll attach a list of preferred precincts

(Karl covers the phone and leans over to his assistant) is Guckert on the way?, I'm gonna need him after this
'Yes sir, he's tied and waiting in the Lincoln Bedroom''

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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 10:41 AM
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31. Probably easier to list what he wasn't doing
I can probably say with all certainty, he wasn't calling to save 15% on his car insurance.

Too many irons in the fire between the vote switching, the phone jamming, coordinating the intimidation and chaos and directing Suzie and Kenny to do his bidding to say exactly which felony was occurring at this particular moment.

You just wont let this go, will ya? :thumbsup:

I'm still waiting for my reply from that BBC reporter about the curious phrasing in that article. I'm sure she'll get back to me any day now.

K&R
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #31
35. Which curious phrasing in particular? THere is a LOT of very curious
phrasing...
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:01 PM
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38. This:
"He used his own data to put Ohio and Florida in the Bush column." Exactly, how, did he do that? Still waiting for an answer. :hi:
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #38
46. When did you ask the question? Maybe it;s time for another question...
THat was a VERY fishy statement...
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 09:16 PM
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47. Right after the article was published
in the flurry of stolen election momentum. I never liked it, and I still don't, and that goes double for Warren County. Oy.
Maybe it is time for another letter, now that time has passed. Not a bad idea at all.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 10:29 AM
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48. Yup. Would love to know the source of that statement.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:56 PM
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40. Any chance to see these phone records, via FOIA or other means?
Does anyone have any idea about the accessibility of these phone logs via public right-to-know laws?

(Thanks to diva77 for the idea.)
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 01:18 PM
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41. hmmm... thinking...t hinking... oh, i get it, FIXING THE COUNT!
Please feel free to check out HAVA the ERD Mascot and take him home next weekend.

He can get a little testy and show you things you might not like...but it will
be memorable.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 04:13 PM
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43. HAVA the ERD mascot? Huh?
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 04:49 PM
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44. From his Election Fraud News thread of today:


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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:02 PM
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57. I have photographic proof right here of what Rove was doing...
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:38 PM
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58. KICKING THIS! (nt)
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Einsteinia Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 11:10 PM
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60. Read this real time post that documents
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Einsteinia Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 11:15 PM
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61. I meant to say 12:21 a.m.
n/t
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 11:26 PM
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62. I'm a sucker for this one...a work of art!!!n/t
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Blue Shark Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:01 AM
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63. He was...
...Playin' solitaire...yeah thats the ticket...solitaire.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-02-06 04:15 PM
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64. Kicking because I still want to know.
Perhaps we're getting closer to finding out.

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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 01:55 PM
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65. I have been looking for that pic! It was scrubbed from the Internet!
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 02:06 PM
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66. If it was scrubbed, how'd Bleever post it? n/t
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 02:15 PM
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67. Here's my caption.

Karl Rove poses for a what he knows will become a dis-info photo seized upon by paranoids who don't know shit about how elections (in general, let alone 2004) are stolen.

He's probably ordering a pizza.

If there's a valuable story here, it's Abramoff's ex-secty working with Rove.

But sure. Let's trot this photo out as a means to educate the public. Perhaps a knuckle-dragger, or two, will be impressed by the logic.

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