Election night, Ohio Lockdown , Phony Terror, Lying Officials

[Al-CIAda]

Did we ever get to the bottom of that story?
Has anyone been procecuted for this unlawful act?

[roseBudd]

1. No, but Frank Young Emergency Services Director...

of Warren County is the person who originated the terrorism threat level claim.

Not having enough voting machines is how Warren County was able to keep their polls open late and delay their tabulation so they count wait on Cuyahoga to see how much they had to flip.

[mgr]

10. That is an interesting claim, any evidence to back it up? n/t

[roseBudd]

16. Cincinnati Enquirer investigated, google Enquirer Pat South...

Frank Young

[Bill Bored]

32. Good theory rosebud!

They had no incentive to commit the fraud unless it was absolutely necessary. Otherwise, why risk it, in case someone got caught or something?

Same idea as the Carlyle Group controlling the Hawaii phone company in case they needed 4 electoral votes at the last minute to decide things.

Same idea as exploiting early voting to see which way the wind is blowing, and so on.

Why hasn't this county been recounted for real along with the other 2 of the Big 3 (Butler and Clermont)?

[me b zola]

2. One of a thousand unlawful acts

Committed by, or in the name of, the BFEE.:grr:

[Wilms]

3. I recall the FBI being asked to investigate.

Don't know if that's good, or not.

[Chi]

4. As far as I know...it was never investigated. n/t

[Al-CIAda]

5. Imagine that. OVERT LYING by officials in a HIGHLY suspect

fashion, and on an issue so VITAL to democracy itself...and the equivilent to at LEAST yelling fire in a theater', but is abou MUCH more.

This is subversion of democracy, this is treasonous.

[Chi]

7. I agree 100%...

As a matter of fact I will probably start using this story first when talking to peeps about 2004 election fraud.
Considering the article has quotes from county people as well as Fed's, how could it not persuade anyone who is not fully entrenched.

Thanks for bringing up the question/thread.

[kster]

11. The FBI

and Homeland Security should be all over this.Also leaving the ballots in an unlocked room. WTF

[FreedomAngel82]

29. I never heard

I did hear they admitted it was nothing official.

[Chi]

6. OK...I just googled this..

OK...I just googled this...

+"warren county" +lockdown +"homeland security" +investigate

I got about 84 hits (+investigation, instead of investigate, yielded 111).
The only MSM website I saw was MSNBC. There were 2 entries, BOTH were from K.O.'s blog!

So other than KO, not a single MSM outlet has looked into this at all.
There is also the possibility my search string is weak, but I don't think so.

This is the best article I could find on it...
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/11/10/loc_warrenvote10.html

This is utterly repulsive. Maybe we should leave a stained dress near the votes and that will get their attention.

It even made wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_U.S._presidential_election_controversy,_voting_machines

"Warren county made the news twice... First, it was the last county in Ohio to complete its vote count. Second, the ballots were counted in secret by its Republican election officials. The media were not allowed to observe the counting process and were relegated to an area two floors below where the count was taking place. The justification Warren officials gave was that they had received a report of a terrorism threat, namely a level 10 (out of 10) warning specifically for Warren County. That was a lie. It was denied outright by both Homeland Security and the FBI. So just what were those Republican Warren County officials doing with the ballots they kept to just themselves all night long? One possibility is that they were destroying ballots..."
"There is one more point to be examined here. The idea promoted by the media is that Bush won because "red" voters showed up in greater quantities than "blue" voters. But looking at Ohio, we see that the opposite is actually true. Blue counties in Ohio had a larger increase in turnout rate than red counties. Even dividing counties up into smaller and smaller groups does not change this: Strongly blue counties have better turnout rate increases than moderately blue counties. Moderately red counties have better turnout rate increases than strongly red counties. Where did all those votes for Bush come from? The election in Ohio stinks. Badly."

[seemslikeadream]

15. The Ohio Factor: Did Homeland Security and the FBI interfere With the Vote

Meanwhile, in Warren County, Ohio election officials took a rather unprecedented action on November 2. They locked down the building where the votes were being tallied, blocking anyone from observing the vote counting process. County officials said they took the action in response to a terror threat warning from the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI. County Commissioner Pat South said they were told by an FBI agent that the county was facing a level 10 security threat on a scale of 1 to 10. George Bush won 72% of the county's more than 92,000 votes.

....

AMY GOODMAN: We're joined by several people to talk about the vote count, but we're going to begin with Erica Solvig, a staff reporter from the Cincinnati Enquirer. She has a front page piece today following up on another. Welcome to Democracy Now!

ERICA SOLVIG: Thanks for having me.

AMY GOODMAN: Can you summarize your piece in today's Cincinnati Enquirer?

ERICA SOLVIG: Well, the story that ran today is reiterating the County Commissioner’s stance of Homeland Security concerns. They say, as you have already mentioned, that the county was facing a terrorist threat that ranked 10 on a scale of 1 to 10. We talked to several officials with the homeland security department as well as the FBI. They knew of no increased terrorism concerns in Warren County in particular, and just, again, raising the continuing concerns regarding Homeland Security and being locked out of the building. The primary focus of all of the articles has been on, you know, the First Amendment issues and the open government issues that are raised when the public and the media are locked out of the process.

AMY GOODMAN: You have interviewed a number of people for your pieces; among them was a news director at a local TV station?

ERICA SOLVIG: That's correct.

AMY GOODMAN: What did he say?

ERICA SOLVIG: He called this a red herring. Bob Moreford, the News Director at channel 9, CWPO TV, the ABC affiliate here said he had never seen anything like it, and WCPO as well as the Associated Press and the Inquirer all received the same response when they tried to get into the building on election night, and that was being locked out. Moreford said that he considered it a red herring. He continued to say, “That’s something that's put up when you don't know what else to put up to keep us out.”

AMY GOODMAN: We're taking a look at Keith Olbermann's blog from MSNBC. He was quoting the statement given out by Warren County Commissioner Pat South to MSNBC. You have also been quoting her a great deal. It's quite a remarkable quote. It says, “About three weeks prior to elections, our emergency services department had been receiving quite a few pieces of correspondence from the office of Homeland Security on the upcoming elections. These memos were sent out statewide, not just to Warren County, and they included a lot of planning tools and resources to use for Election Day security.” Pat South went on to say, “In a face-to-face meeting between the FBI and our director of Emergency Services, we were informed that on a scale from 1 to 10, the tri-state area of southwest Ohio was ranked at a high 8 to a low 9, in terms of security risk. Warren County in particular was rated at 10, 10 being the top highest risk. Pursuant to the Ohio-revised code, we followed the law to the letter that basically says no one is allowed within 100 feet of a polling place except for voters, and that after the polls closed, the only people allowed in the Board of Elections area where votes are being counted are the Board of Election members, judges, clerks, poll challengers, police, and that no one other than those people can be there while tabulation is taking place.” And yet, Erica Solvig, now the Department of Homeland Security and FBI are denying that they ever talked about a security risk here?

ERICA SOLVIG: They're saying that they were not aware of any increased security risk in Warren County on Election Day. The county has declined to give us the agent's name who told them this, because they haven't talked to this agent - this is an FBI agent - anytime recently. But the Homeland Security officials that we have talked to in the area, as well as the FBI, are unaware of any increased security risk on Election Day. Again, the primary concern was being locked out of a public building on a night when the entire nation was watching, waiting for the results.
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/10/1536254#transcript

[roseBudd]

17. Cincinnati Enquirer did three stories google Erica Solvig Warren

election

Warren is one of the counties where C. Ellen Connaly an absolutely unknown underfunded democratic candidate for Supreme Court justice from Cleveland got more votes than Kerry in a down ticket race. Warren County was flush with Thomas Moyer (R) for SC justice yard signs. Other counties this trange phenomanon occured in were Butler, Clermont and Hamilton. This also occured in other counties but these counties had the biggest disparity.

[Vinca]

8. It seems nothing ever happens to anyone involved in underhanded

REPUBLICAN events. I've been down in the dumps the past few days and when asked what was wrong, it finally occurred to me: I feel utterly and totally powerless. And the ones with power are so incredibly wrong.

[Blue Shark]

27. This is true BUT...

..."absolute power corrupts absolutely", and the corruption on top of the incompetence will sink the BushCo ship as surely as the sun rises every day.

...everyday is bad news for this administration. Record low approval ratings will be married eventually with the "news" that Republican operatives flipped the vote and GWB is serving a second "appointed presidency" and America's "buyer's remorse" will grow exponentially (IMHO).

[Wilms]

9. kick n/t

[NationalEnquirer]

12. Don't hold your breath.

I think alot of folks are just going through the motions, CYA.

[Al-CIAda]

13. I guess after you get away with LIHOP, this is child's play.

Just last week-

52 warnings of specific means and method released.

Clarke memo PROVING Condi and the bunch are lying treasonous criminals who allowed mass murder.


'No one could have imagined'- Rice
'We had a failure of imagination' -Kean



Yet not a word. Our Dems are COMPLICIT participants in the PNAC mass murder.

[Amaryllis]

18. What's LIHOP? I have been ignoring all other than election fraud because I

am working so hard on it and just don't have the time or energy to deal with anything else, plus i need to focus on some things that aren't downers part of the time.

And what is this about?
52 warnings of specific means and method released.

Clarke memo PROVING Condi and the bunch are lying treasonous criminals who allowed mass murder.

[Wilms]

19. Let It Happen On Purpose (ie: 9/11)

Generally, *, Condi, et al saw enough documentation to warn them of the nature of 9/11.

Clarke wrote a big fat memo telling Condi to get focus on the terror threat. She blew him off.

Then 9/11 happened.

On purpose. :grr:

[mikelewis]

20. The hell you say - how dare you speak such blasphemy

For your punishment you will be forced to watch John Ashcroft sing 'Let the Eagle Soar' 300 times.

Here'e the link, get crackin - http://www.cnn.com/video/us/2002/02/25/ashcroft.sings.wbtv.med.html

It's absolutely painful to watch, painful I tell ya.

[Wilms]

21. I will not watch that.

I'll really go nuts. Just skip it and send me straight away to an asylum for my "delusional rants".

[Al-CIAda]

14. kick.

[mod mom]

22. 1 Question: If the DNC OH Election Investigation panel finds enough

evidence of election fraud, will they pursue it? someone posted yesterday that they have no intention of challenging the election. This is making me literally sick. How could anyone, if they know fraud occurred at such a level as to change the presidency not pursue it?

* is ruining our environment, devastating so many lives with his war (based on lies), breaking the back of the middle class, destroying the hopes of the poor, making the world so unstable, screwing the American people in his laws that benefit the corporations, etc
WE MUST PURSUE THE FRAUD!

[roseBudd]

23. I think it would be more like Watergate...

As evidence is uncovered, it would put a crimp in the * agenda and he would be lame ducked. I think repubs are already neervous about an 06 backlash.

[LatePeriduct]

28. Try this on for size....

Once the tabulators are locked down from these fraud elected officials and officers, there will be alot of "mysterious" dissapearances reported.

Later on, there will be a nasty fallout, and a trial along with Sibel Edmonds leading to impeachment proceedings. Then there will be a smoke scrubbing in congress, fallout of half the party and a new movement in the legislature.

Once Delay and his friends go down, that's going to bring the whole Family back out into the public limelight, forcing a big time breakdown of our government that will be as fun as the WWII fallout....

And hey, we all have Senior Bush and his precious angel friends to thank for it.

[roseBudd]

24. The key is Frank Young Warren County Emergency Services Director...

One of two scenarios. He was approached by either a real or bogus individual representing Homeland Security and was easily duped because he is a suburban hayseed. Or he is in on it.

The question to ask ourselves is, if I was law enforcement, or a prosecutor, how would I investigate this? I would not be investigating this by sitting behind a computer. I would have to cultivate contacts and interview parties that might have relevant information. This would include bank statements, e-mails, phone calls, etc. Not something you can get access to without a court order I imagine.

[Amaryllis]

25. Who needs Tom Clancy novels? We have it all for real right here in the USA

[Amaryllis]

26. Conyers may still be on this. He's a bulldog, bless him. THis was in his

report.

[Al-CIAda]

30. I'm glad this was bumped. Still as amazing as it ever was.

...and still no investigation or answers.

[Andy_Stephenson]

31. I audited Warren County

and there were strange things indeed.

[Bill Bored]

33. ? ? ? nt