My idea to help keep voting honest

[Ian David]

Each machine should keep a paper record of each ballot, on a single, continuous, UN-INTERRUPTED roll of paper.

Along the edge of each roll should be a tamper-evident holographic image similar to the ones that come on boxes of computer software.

Each ballot on the roll should have a sequential serial number imprinted on a holograph.

As the roll of paper progresses through the machine, the voter's ballot should be visible through a sheet of glass to confirm that the paper record matches their ballot and matches their receipt.

WE NEED TO ALSO PASS A LAW THAT NO GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL OR OTHER PERSON SHALL REQUIRE SOMEONE TO PRESENT THEIR PAPER RECEIPT FOR ANY REASON OTHER THAN TO CONFIRM THEIR VOTE!

We do NOT want voting receipts to be shown at traffic stops, when applying for a driver's license, or when applying for credit.

We do not want someone's employer to insist on seeing your voting receipt to make sure they voted the way their boss wanted them to.

[Atman]

1. Oh...I thought it was going to be...

...shut down the GOP.

[Andy_Stephenson]

2. Continuous rolls present A problem as well.

So you sign in go vote on machine 4...you are the 40th voter. I unroll the scroll to the 40th ballot...voila...I know how you voted.

[Ian David]

3. There are always trade-offs. I'd trade some privacy for more accuracy

[Andy_Stephenson]

4. Not me.

Sorry...I have been on this issue a long time. I want accuracy and secrecy. Tradeoffs are not an option.

[MelissaB]

10. I have a question, and it may be a stupid one.

Who would be able to check and see if you are #40 and how you voted?

[KaliTracy]

8. not me. we're already giving up too much privacy IMO, though most

people don't even realize it yet...

[sacxtra]

6. Meanwhile

Back on the copper wire our vote packet get's xor'd.

[Carolab]

12. Right. It's the TABULATORS, stupid.

NOT the bloody ballots or the rolls, or whatever.

HAND COUNTING. NOT MACHINES.

[Carolab]

11. Do they keep track of which machine you use? Not in my precinct.

How could they match it then? Selection of which booth you use is your own.

[MissWaverly]

5. my suggestion

I know this probably sounds goofy, but I notice when people cash in lotto tickets that people at the machine just scan in the ticket, verify it and then it's done, what if every registered voter was sent a vote selector, he would then do the choices in the privacy of his home and bring it to the polling place, his card would then be put into the machine, it would not have his name just an ID, then the card would be read, one voter = 1 vote, I believe that all the hocus pocus is being done in the voting machine itself or in the tabulators, I think this would prevent ghost votes. And I think that the money for this could be paid out of campaign funds, that way there would be less wolf commercials - what a deal.

:bounce:

[Zan_of_Texas]

7. Y'all.

2000 technology people at verifiedvoting.org say we need a voter verified audit trail.

So far as I know, zero are endorsing these other schemes.

Please wipe the word "receipt" out of your election vocabulary. It is not a receipt. You do not take it home.

Paper record. Paper ballot. That is what it is.

The ideal way to vote would be for everyone to show up in a room at the same time, for each precinct.

"All for Candidate A for president? Raise your hand." "All for Candidate B?"

The thing about that is, it is totally visible.

But, it lacks anonymity, and not everybody can come to the polls at the same time.

Next best thing would be to vote with a paper ballot on a national holiday, between 7 am and 7 pm. ONE DAY, so the entire chain of voting would be visible. No storing between days. No early voting (which Conyers bill supports) for two weeks.

ZERO electronic counting, which can be rigged by eighth-graders (or CIA).

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[BeFree]

13. Yes,

Each machine should keep a paper record of each ballot, on a single, continuous, UN-INTERRUPTED roll of paper.

Just like supermarket register tapes. Proven, simple and accurate.

Then, on that roll of paper, you have the machine print the totals each time a vote is cast. A running total. Cash registers do this, ATMs do it, any current account ledger does it. A running total.

What happens is that the roll of paper becomes the holy grail of vote activists: A Paper Ballot. Once the machine is through printing the last vote it can be turned off.

Just a quick look at the paper ballot becomes your audit and the counting is over because election totals for that machine are printed at the end of the tape.