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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 10:45 PM
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Crushing the Coup: Purging the bush theocratic neocon cabal from America
Simple rules, for starters.

1. Never capitalize the name; from now on, it is always bush;

2. Never use the term President or even a derogatory derivative thereof (e.g., preznit) when referring to bush;

3. Never use the term Vice President, SoS, etc when referring to co-criminals like cheney, rice, etc. (and never capitalize their names);

4. Occassionally, refer to bush, cheney, rice etc as failed Republicans or as theocratic neocon enemies of the real Republican party;

5. Always refer to bush, cheney, rice, rumsfeld, etc as theocratic neocons; or as members of bushs theocratic neocon cabal;

6. Always refer to the national election of 2004 (and 2000) as a coup; never refer to it as an election;

7. bush has never been inaugurated; he has only been illegally installed;

8. Always refer to the illegal, Un-Constitutional war in Iraq as bushs illegal, Un-Constitutional war in Iraq;

9. Always refer to those resisting the illegal, Un-Constitutional occupation of their Nation, Iraq, as freedom fighters not insurgents;

10. Always refer to our troops as loyal to America; ruthlessly and illegally abused by bush and bushs neocon, theocratic cabal;

11. Always refer to the media as bushs propaganda machine and only designate a media person as a journalist who oppose the bush theocratic neocon cabal (e.g., Olbermann, Krugman, Dowd, Kristof, Horsey, etc. receive recognition as a journalists; most, however, should always be called propagandists);

12. theocrats and their evangelical propagandists should never be referred to as Christians; we need to stop insulting the memory of Jesus by ever associating his name with bush's theocratic, evangelical hypocrites.

Please contribute additional rules; or suggested modifications of any of the above.

I will compile and post an update to what will become the operations protocol for THE bush OPPOSITION; 24/7 (aka TbO;24/7)



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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 10:49 PM
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1. Right on!
:thumbsup:
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gater Donating Member (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 10:50 PM
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2. How 'bout we spit whenever bush is mentioned in conversation?
Edited on Sat Jan-29-05 10:52 PM by gater
Ii's somethimg I remember seeing older folks do in my home town. I believe it's a sign of great disrespect!
O.K....it means your spitting on their grave. He's alive and kicking, but it works for me!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 10:52 PM
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4. Just remember to always turn your head down-wind!! ;-) -- (nt)



TbO;24/7
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 10:20 AM
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24. Spitting gross unless you have the actual target in your sites...and
someone has to clean up...My dear old Dad used to spit under the rug when no one looking....YUCKAZOID...busted him once.
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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 10:51 PM
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3. I do use the term 'this bush administration' in LTTE, and
emails/letters to Congress.

Will be happy to take on your other suggestions- great idea...
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:14 AM
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22. ...the Bush regime...?
I used to use "Bush, Inc.," as in "Murder Incorporated," but no one seemed to get it. (Maybe I should spell it out: Bush Incorporated.)

I now use "BushCons." I've always liked "Neocon," but I capitalize the "c": NeoCon. I like the "con" part of both of these. BushCon. NeoCon.

This murderous, thieving gang is not in the least bit "conservative." But they are certainly "cons" (as in liars, sheisters, con-men, thieves, criminals).

When writing to Republicans or to their lapdog media, I use "Bush regime" as the most subtle way of saying "fascist coup" without red-flagging my missile as a Leftist nuke.

I never write "President Bush." He is not my president.

Some people use "pResident." That worked well in reference to the 2000 election, but the situation is less clear to most people now. Even Michael Moore the other day was talking about Bush having been "elected." (Poor Michael--majorly in denial, I'm afraid.)

One thing I have done that is interesting as a letter-writing strategy, is to always tie whatever issue you are writing about to Election Fraud, Bush's low approval ratings (hovering at 50% and under--unprecedented for a recently "re-elected" pResident), and the nearly 60% of Americans who STILL disapprove of the Iraq war.

For instance, re: the Condoleeza Rice and Alberto Gonzales nominations, basically saying... these are arrogant, insulting, in-your-face nominations that are way out of the mainstream of American public opinion, and how did lying, mass murder and torture become our "moral values"?

Answer: Election fraud.

Quote from letter on Condi Rice:

"A regime that holds power on the tenuous grounds of massive vote suppression against minority voters in violation of the Voting Rights Act, and on the further tenuous grounds of a non-transparent election system that is controlled by partisans of the regime, and that has the majority of Americans opposing its war policy, would be well advised not to commit further arrogant acts against the consent of the governed, such as nominating for Secretary of State a person whose lies have resulted in countless unnecessary deaths."

I've also taken to adding urls for Steven Freeman, Ron Baiman and other reports that seriously question the outcome of the 2004 election as P.S.'s and enclosures.

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I guess I'm saying it's more than the terms used to describe this FASCIST COUP--although those are important, I agree. It's also about constantly undermining it with good, solid, compelling information--and doing so on every action they take or position they assert.

What I'm getting at is that THIS--what is going on in DC right now--is not any kind of legitimate or normal political scene. Many Democrats, of course, are acting as if it is. We should just never forget that it isn't--and never let them forget.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 10:55 PM
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5. I'm amazed at how often NewsPeople refer to him as "mr." bush n/t
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 03:03 AM
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40. I've noticed that too. Especially the main guy on NPR.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:00 PM
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6. And when speaking to someone about the coup...
who doesn't see it yet, work into the conversation the question: What will be your legacy?

-Hoot
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:08 PM
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7. Yes, Hoot; I've begun doing exactly that and have then sent...
...those folk a copy of the following and asked them -- Is this what you want as your legacy;

as the legacy of America that your children and grand children inherit:

http://www.zonaeuropa.com/01467.htm


TbO;24/7

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 10:21 AM
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25. "your" in reference to whom?
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 02:33 PM
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30. The person to whom you are speaking but, ...
it also implies your generation, the American population, etc.

This is best left unspecified becasue each person talked to will identify the 'your' in thier own way, selecting the group they identify themselves with. It matters not what demographic the message is understood to apply to, what matters is that the message is understood at a deep, nearly subconscience level.

Will your legacy be one that your children have to live up to, or one they have to live down?

-Hoot
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:10 PM
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8. When referring to the events of 9/11
refer to them as having been allowed to happen by the bush neocon cabal.

Say that said events have been shamelessly exploited to achieve the geopolitical and business objectives of the bush neocon cabal.

Refer to states such as FL and OH, whose electoral process has been corrupted by bush loyalists, as failed states -- not unlike the former South Africa.

Refer to purveyors of paperless un-auditable voting machines and the boards of elections who purchase them as bush collaborators.

All propagandists, as defined above, are also collaborators.

Those propagandists such as Armstrong Williams, who accept taxpayer money for delivering the bush neocon message and those in the cabal who pay them should be referred to as embezzlers.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:18 PM
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10. Superb. I've already amended the document. If you think of more...
....please post them.


I very much want TbO;24/7 to emerge as an American patriots movement that truly transcends political parties and other organizational structures.

The only way that will happen is to establish a unique and inclusive programmatic structure that has not existed and that is open to both those organizations that realize the need to crush the coup as well as for all those citizens who have never aligned with any political party or activist organization.

America has been attacked by the bush theocratic neocon cabal; we must defend it and show the world that America is not the evil enemy of humanity -- only bush and his theocratic neoconsters are the enemy and we will defeat them, legally and non-violently.

Peace.

TbO;24/7
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 10:23 AM
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26. I think "planned" more appropriate than "allowed"
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 11:05 PM
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35. Planned is a bit of a stretch.
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 11:07 PM by Bill Bored
We have good evidence that it was allowed. Not as much that they planned it. The famous PNAC "New Pearl Harbor" statement doesn't imply planning and it was made in reference to obtaining funding for Rumsfeld's "transformation" of the military -- not invading Iraq, or anybody else per se.

IMHO, if you want TbO;24/7 to be taken seriously, you have to go with the strongest evidence we have and reject some of the fringe stuff, pending further investigation of course. Also IMHO, at this point this is that 9/11 was allowed to happen. The Aug 6, 2001 PDB is all the evidence you need for that. Even with that evidence, the bush Loyalists claim it's all Clinton's fault, but I bet most of them have never actually read the document.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 11:22 PM
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36. I concur "Bill Bored"; thank you (nt)




TBO;24/7
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DETERMINEDPROGRESIVE Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:17 PM
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9. What About
Whenever somebody you see tomorrow tells you how great it is that Iraq is holding 'elections' and that bush is so great for spreading 'democracy' that you don't forget to puke all over their shoes to make a point.....
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 10:23 AM
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27. Yes shoes the target!
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indigonation Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:38 PM
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11. Good, but may I suggest theocratic fascists, or theo-fascists instead n/t
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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:56 PM
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12. good! a few too long: also add Racist Republicans
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 12:12 AM by oscar111
I really liked illegal installation.
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a few are too long.. the one about the iraq war comes to mind.

generally, try for two words or three at most.

Keep up the good work! This is very very important. Words are half the battle. GOP uses short memes to great advantage.

PS racism is 80% of bush's support IMHO. it is hidden because none will admit it to pollsters. So polls dont even ask. We poll readers have followed the question-framework of pollsters, and now have forgotten about racism. Amazing!

White Backlash has been defeating us since 1968, or always almost defeating us. Racism is so virulent, it needs no advertising from GOP candidates. Look at how Confederate States match with today's GOP states.

But we need to stop forgetting the huge fact of racism.. biggest reason we lose elections. Second biggest reason is NO VOICE. So build AAR.

You mention theo a lot, but that is only 10% of bush voters. Pls add racist republicans to you list of terms.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:46 AM
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14. Excellent suggestions however 'republican' is a term we need to avoid...
....because one of our key strategies is to wedge the bush theocratic, neocon cabal from most who consider themself 'republican.'

By attaching 'racist' to 'republican' we shoot ourself in the head, imho.

I do not question that you are correct in that the bush theocratic, neocon cabal IS RACIST.

They are; no debate.

Many of those whom we want to recruit are Republicans and they are not racists.

I'm not concerned about what % the theocrats are in terms of 'bush voters'; they are the % that controlled how the votes were counted!!!

And that is why they need to be 'called out' and the most efficient way to call them out is to associate them with 'bush' and 'necon' in the anti-American, anti-Constitution cabal that they truly are.

Thank you for your very thoughtful insights and suggestions.

Peace.

TbO;24/7
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:38 AM
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13. I have intentionally avoided the term 'fascist'; not because ...
...I don't think it applies.

I've avoided it because it provides an easy excuse for folk not to hear the message -- they hear 'fascist' and they turn off everything that follows.

I consider bush and his cabal fascists; I just don't want them to be allowed any escape from that fact. We are in 'recruitment phase' now and we don't want to provide an easy excuse to not listen to our message.

Thank you,

TbO;24/7
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:55 AM
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15. This is true...
We must be polite when speaking until we are sure people are on board. This is how to bring them into the fold.

The goal is to lead people in a train of thought that enables them to recognize the fascism for themselves. When they say that sounds like fascism or the nazis, then you can agree and welcome them to TbO.

-Hoot
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davidgmills Donating Member (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 06:58 AM
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20. I always preface the use of it this way
Benito Mussolini said:

"Fascism should really be called corporatism because it is the meger of corporate and state power."

The Italians also had another term for it: "estato corporativo" or the corporatist state.

Then they listen.

Tell them you are talking about it the original and true sense of the word, not in the ambiguous sense it has come to mean.

Then of course mention a government "of the corporations, by the corporations and for the corporations."

We really do need to use this word in its very precise sense.

Anecdote: I wrote a paper on fascism which has been circulated around the net. The thesis was that we are becoming a corporatist (fascist) state. My father (80 years old) read it and later told me that he disagreed with my definition of fascism. I reminded him that the point of the article was that Americans don't know what fascism means and that I had used Mussolini's definition.

We really do need to get people thinking in terms of the corporatist state. It is the corporatist state that produces all the ills we associate with fascism.
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:56 AM
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54. I agree w/this UL. "Fascist" was bandied about a lot in the 60s/70s
and it didn't always apply, although I guess that's debatable.

And instead of "corporatist state", why not just "corporate state", or something with a bit more negative connotation. Remember a lot of people work for corporations and might actually like their jobs, benefits, etc. They don't see the evil side.

I do think it's important to distinguish between corporatism and populism however. People might actually get this.
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 01:57 AM
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16. Sorry, my loyalty is to grammar first.

Proper names are capitalised not out of respect, but because it is good grammar. So, sorry, I will continue to write proper American English.
My horrible typing does a bad enough job of promoting the decay of our language.

Honestly, while I get your point -- adopt the strategy of "word wrangling" to our advantage -- such a departure from normal language will do nothing to convince fence-sitters that they should listen to you. They will shove you in the same box as the Maoists who insist on inserting the letter "k" everywhere and repeating the same catchy sequences of adjectives over and over again.

I would welcome helpful, grammar-friendly suggestions as to how to utilize "word wrangling" to our advantage, however.

(Hey look, I used a compound-complex, hyphenated adjective! My 7th grade English teacher would be so proud!)

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 02:32 AM
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17. It is the intentional use of a deviation 'grammar' that is part of...
.....the message.

Words are complex symbols.

Rules for the construction and use of symbols are valid and necessary.

However, intentional deviation from rules can be leveraged to a strategic advantage and is also how meaning evolves.

You can rigidly adhere to whatever your loyalties happen to be.

Adaptive, flexible systems are typically more robust; evolution has taught us much about that fact.

So, I'll attempt to induce attention to messages by attempting to induce a bit of robustness of those who, currently, are for the most part nearly comatose to the reality that the viability of our Constitution and our franchise of democracy are on the verge of extinction.

Thank you for the stimulating comments.

TbO;24/7
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 04:02 AM
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18. and speaking of grammar...
what's up with the semicolon in TbO;24/7?
It confuses me.

More rules:
Always call the people who believe that the election discrepancies were coincidence "coincidence theorists."

Always call the people who believe that all the discrepancies going to Bbush by accident is absurd "reality theorists."

Feel free to rewrite those.

When you say "bush" and "rice," I find myself wanting to stand up for various other meanings of those words. If I were one of those plants, for example, I wouldn't want anyone to think I was of the same family as the neotheocraticons.
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LeeB Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 04:12 AM
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19. YES!! he lost his capital "b" (with me) when he went in front . . .
. . . of the cameras during the month after November 7, 2000, demanding an end to actually counting the Florida ballots. His "s" disappeared shortly thereafter. I can no longer spell his name the way the propagandists do. My fingers insist: he's bu$h. At least he is until I can find the right word to really describe his rotten core. It is very difficult to find a word that measures up (down?) the correct degree of contempt. :puke:

Damned fascist.

I'm delighted your list of rules includes No. 12, "theocrats and their evangelical propagandists should never be referred to as Christians; we need to stop insulting the memory of Jesus by ever associating his name with bush's theocratic, evangelical hypocrites."

That one really bothers me. Those "evangelical propagandists" do not seem to appreciate how far afield they have wandered from Jesus and his teachings. Whether or not one identifies oneself as "Christian," it should be obvious that bu$hcheneyCo have no clue. His name is simply used as a tool of manipulation. They are totally disgusting. Who would Jesus bomb, indeed!
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Old Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:08 AM
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21. I don't mean to be a naysayer
But when Newt Gingrich published his rules for how to phrase and speak, it was carefully designed to frame the argument and control the opinion of the American people. It is in fact an efficient and effective piece of propaganda and mind control.

As much as I endorse taking back the language and debate and breaking one of the major tools of Republican spin control, your list seems more emotional than calculated. I fear this, as it stands, will do more harm than good.

What is the simple, emotional message you wish to achieve?
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 01:26 AM
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37. do you have a link to Gingrich's rules???
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Old Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 03:42 AM
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41. here is a copy
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 08:20 AM
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42. An interesting list....
Especially the negative list to be applied to the opposition. It is *SO* applicable to the corporatistas.

When looking at it, (it's in 2 columns), top items of the columns are 'abuse of power' and 'intolerant'.

Turn about is fair play, no? Let's use it!

-Hoot
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 09:09 AM
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23. I'd say, be flexible. I understand what understandlife is trying to do...
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 09:18 AM by Peace Patriot
...here. And I think it's very important that we not speak/write about this regime in the normal terms that grant legitimacy--for instance, the common phrases "President Bush" or "the Bush administration." I resist those terms myself. I use "Mr. Bush" if necessary, or just "Bush," and "the Bush regime," if a I want a somewhat neutral tone (rather than, say, "fascist coup").

Bush vs. bush

De-capitalizing "Bush" is a problem. If you write "bush" in a sentence, most people reading it will think it's a typo. And, as all English teachers know and teach, each typo and each misspelled word lessens YOUR credibility with your reader.

I'd say that "bush" or "*" (or "**") are fine among friends. They may simply be puzzling to others, or cause them to think you sloppy (uncareful, i.e., unreliable).

NEO-CHRISTIANS

The BushCon Christian thing interests me--and appalls me--since I was raised as a Christian and a Catholic, and still have great fealty to the core teaching of Jesus ("love thy neighbor...do unto others...turn the other cheek").

"Neo-Christians" came to mind, thinking about these jerks (ahem...fallen brothers).

It ties them subliminally to "Neo-Nazis" and "Neo-Cons." And maybe to "Neolithic."

Neo-anything has a bit of a phony, tinny, upstart sound. In plain definition, it just means "new." But it has an edgy connotation--something untested, on the fringes, not to be trusted, TOO new.

Neo-Christian. It's not quite enough, though, to describe a Christian who could approve of the slaughter of 100,000-plus innocent Iraqis.

REPUBLICANS vs. BUSHCONS

On another topic, I think we must make a distinction between Republican and BushCon. I think there were a whole lot of Republicans out there whose votes for Kerry were stolen and transferred to the Bush column. (Arnebeck mentioned this in an interview.)

The Bush regime is RADICAL and EXTREMIST. Truly. *I* am far, far more conservative than they are. And yet they would call ME a radical and a Leftist (meaning "extremist"--in their lingo). But the facts are on my side. A 5 trillion dollar federal debt? 7 trillion? What's the guesstimate these days? Talk about radical!

Plus the pre-emptive war "doctrine." And the torture memos. And "privatizing" Social Security. And "establishing" a state religion. These are really, really, really RADICAL.

And I think a lot of ordinary Republicans would find them disturbing.

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Christian jihadists. That's another phrase that dropped into my head. Let's use their Islamic bigotry against them. Budget jihadists. Social Security jihadists. Oil jihadists. Oil Cartel jihadists.

(--and I do think there is an important distinction that we should make between Christians--say, Evangelicals--and the EXPLOITATION of Christians and Christianity by BushCon fascists. At some point during the campaign, I found some news articles around the net, in lapdog publications, quoting Christian Evangelicals who were against the Iraq War or had grave reservations about it, and who were not Bush supporters. Their name and religious movement are being exploited and smeared like everything else BushCons touch. It seems that the true Evangelicals have as little voice as WE do. Yeah, there were a few news articles--but in general the lapdog press promotes its Master's propaganda that there is some great Christian movement behind Bush. I really wonder if there is--aside from a few loud mouth preachers and book-burner types)
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 10:34 AM
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28. Words are powerful creatures. Framing debates and figuring out
how to make elections fraud proof most critical avenues for saving us.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 02:20 PM
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29. Quite calculated. Not devoid of emotion. And other comments.
"Old Mouse" writes As much as I endorse taking back the language and debate and breaking one of the major tools of Republican spin control, your list seems more emotional than calculated. I fear this, as it stands, will do more harm than good. What is the simple, emotional message you wish to achieve?

Thank you for the interesting observation and an excellent question. I will attempt to answer it in a way that indicates how much I appreciate comments from a number of those who have also responded to the original post.

As indicated in the subject line, the messages are quite calculated and meant to motivate and focus efforts to eradicate the criminal Bush organization that is attempting the overthrow of the American Constitution. The messages are necessarily not devoid of emotion, but the purpose served goes well beyond eliciting an "emotional response."

The near-term goal is quick, surgical isolation of Mr. Bush and his theocratic, NeoCon cabal from groups that must not be alienated, and, to whatever extent possible, need to be encouraged to become allies, e.g., Republicans, "conservatives," and Christians.

Thus, I avoid terms like 'Republican,' neo-conservative, 'Christian,' neo-Christian, fascist, jihadist, and any combination therof in describing Mr Bush and his extremist, criminal associates..

I agree with "davidgmills" of the value and historical meaning of the term fascist as a description of the merger of 'corporate and state power.' The problem that I have encountered is that every time I say or write "fascist" and the person hears or sees "nazi." Taking the time to try to explain the historical meaning of "fascist" is time lost, or worse, time that one never gets because the person refuses to continue listening or reading.

So, the attempt is to use terms that are sufficiently new to most as to allow us the opportunity to define them in ways efficient to our cause -- marginalizing, indicting and prosecuting Mr. Bush and the members of his theocratic, NeoCon cabal.

I agree with "Peace Patriot" regarding the value of "Con" as a device to convey the meanings 'liars, shysters, con-men, thieves, criminals.' To accomplish that and also to avoid alienating many honest 'conservatives,' as noted above, I never associate the term 'conservative' with Mr. Bush or any of the members of his theocratic, NeoCon cabal.

The small 't' in 'theocratic' is also intentional. Given the meaning of the suffix 'theo,' by keeping the 't' small, I'm attempting to convey 'false god' -- and avoid alienating those who believe in "God" -- whichever they' or the one the particular religion to which they belong, worships.

The terms 'extremist' and 'radical,' as suggested by 'Peace Patriot,' are worthy of incorporation.

I will yield to correct grammar regarding the names Bush, Cheney, etc. -- mostly in respect to the vegetation that might well be insulted by the use of "bush" and "rice." Thank you for that :-) "emlev"!!!

And, "emleve," as to TBO;24/7 -- it is derived from the original conjoined two sentences - BE THE BUSH OPPOSTION; JUST 'DO IT' 24 HOURS A DAY, EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK." Shorter versions of which are "THE BUSH OPPOSITION; 24/7 and "TBO;24/7.

Please consider the above and continue offering suggestions and criticisms. I am already compiling a new version, incorporating several of the suggestions already offered, and will post it sometime before noon, PST, 1 Feb 2005.

Thank you.

Peace.

TBO;24/7

(And for those wondering why, just ask them to view the following
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/01467.htm )



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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 02:54 PM
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31. I vote for corporatist to replace fascist.
A bit long, but it clearly states that corporate power is too great in the political landscape, an idea generally agreed to by both sides, which provides a place from which to start the conversation. Many on both sides of the issue see the grab by holyburton, et al as obvious.

Perhaps the neo-corp-elites? I personally like robber-barons. Or, perhaps corporatistas has a certain ring to it.

The developed labels should be able to be intuitively tied to ignoble acts in history, like McCarthyism, etc.

As for the emotion I want to evoke, anger and rage are the ones I'm aiming for. Just like the anger and rage that a mark feels after they recognize they've been conned. Perhaps we should refer to the American people as Marks?

-Hoot



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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 07:14 PM
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32. Kickity Kick!
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 09:38 PM
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33. Another kick
excellent new protocols
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 09:40 PM
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34. Keep this in mind ALWAYS
Excellent explanation that make GREAT talking points, also.

All of them are true. To be used often, in different venues.
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NeoTraitors Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 02:55 AM
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39. A big thank you to
understandinglife! This topic is the #1 reason I am here. This regime and their evil or ignorant supporters must be stopped. Most non-brainwashed people know this, even if it's just in the backs of their minds. Anything we can say that tickels these thoughts in people is needed right now.

Many people have at least heard of 'neo-cons.' Many more need to. In any conversation you can, condemn the current crop of neo-cons ruining the country, and praise 'real' conservatism if that is the audience and you can hold your nose. No regular people (ie non-brainwashed fundie/ wingnut) likes neo-cons one bit once they understand their treasonous agenda.

Ask the few * supporters you can stand what exactly * has done to improve America. ANYTHING they say can be countered with facts immediately.

Terror- There are plenty of RW sources that have suggested that the Iraq war has created far more terrorists than it has eliminated. Where's Osama? etc (of course I know it was at least LIHOP but understand we must 1st let other stuff sink in, depending on the audience)

Tax cut- call it the tax on the unborn and cite the unprecidented deficits.

Freedom- cite the Patriot Act and its like big brother- to a RW audience say 'Of course we would only go after the terrorists but what if the dems got in power? You know they would try to arrest us Christians and take our guns!'

Pro-military- Iraq has diminished our ability to fight anywhere else in the world if we had to. Vets benefits cut, * a cheerleader and at best a shirker of his military duties.

Christian- Only the non-rapture types can be swayed on this one. The rapture types want what * is bringing- the end of the world. To others talk about how bombs kill innocents, * killed many prisoners in Texas including a born again Christian, and how abortions go up under r's and down under d's. How about this concept- listen to Jesus! He was a radical lefty. Kick the moneylenders out of the temple, camel thru eye of needle- chance of rich man getting into heaven etc. For whatever reason, Jesus is their icon, but he was in fact a liberal. Don't let them forget it!

Macho-men- Did I mention * was a cheerleader in college? No offense to male cheerleaders but know your audience. This fact thrown in with so many others, could sway one of these types. Also 'You like this war? Go sign you or your kid up then.'

Neo-con, Neo-christian are very key terms. They picque interest in people and even folks who don't ask you about them may look them up themselves and do our job for us.

Know your audience, know your facts. Don't back down to any Freeper in debate, especially if there are others listening. Shame them on every scandal you can think of. And tear at whatever 'shade' of repub they are.

When I heard some RW commentator say 'The liberal media only focuses on the bad, they don't tell you the GREAT things going on in Iraq, like building roads, schools, hospitals...' I knew we would eventually win this battle. Only the brainwashed few can actually believe that kind of logic.

Keep up the good work in spreading the word. Once more people know the truth, the neocons will be purged from govt permanently.


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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 01:49 AM
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38. his supporters are the flock of the bush cult. I have to print the rules
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 08:59 AM
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43. Love it! I keep stating * is NOT a republican but a neocon and I will
gladly add the "theocratic" to my neocon. I think saying he is NOT A REPUBLICAN allows those who voted for his evilness to withdrawl gracefully from the lies they were fed my the msm. Please add my hero Greg Palast to the list of noted journalists!
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NationalEnquirer Donating Member (571 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 11:33 AM
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44. No offense, but this is kinda silly.
I mean, it might make us all here feel good, but I thought this was going to be REAL plans of action.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 03:06 PM
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45. I disagree, NatonalEnquirer. This is very important.
The BushCons have been extremely clever at "1984"-ish reversals of the truth (the Big Lie), i.e., war is peace, "family values," the Healthy Forest Initiative, No Child Left Behind, freedom-liberty-n- democracy in Iraq, BushCon support of honest elections (in the Ukraine!), it's Christian to slaughter 100,000+ innocent Iraqis, invasion = freedom, "Mission Accomplished" (2, 3, 4, 5 years of war? then Iran? or Iran at the same time?), "The Unborn Child Pain Prevention Act," etc. etc.

They have whole think tanks thinking this crap up. You see it in their common phraseology (among politicians and pundits, and call in's to radio shows).

I'm not saying WE should engage in propaganda, but there is no reason whatever--as to truth and the integrity of language--that we can't turn phrases back on them, and invent means of telling the truth via language usage.

And I think it IS very, very important--and it IS action.

We have a huge propaganda machine--the entire lapdog media corps--"framing" things for people every day, every hour--in subtle and not so subtle ways.

We have to fight back.

This is a "working" forum. Not every suggestion will be adopted. Some are silly. Some are profound. And the IDEA of doing this--of naming and framing--is also a good exercise in itself. It helps you to re-think ALL the ways that this delusion of democracy is perpetrated upon us.

So, if you're not interested, go away. Why lurk and then drop in your little negative remarks?
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NationalEnquirer Donating Member (571 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 11:24 AM
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56. Didn't mean to step on toes, but..
but from the title I thought it was going to be more than just name calling.
However, from the rest of your message, you do bring up some good points, about how they have appropriated the use of language towards their ends.
Redefined words and phrases.
1984 style.
I'll reconsider my original criticism.
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NeoTraitors Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 07:52 PM
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52. This is a plan of action IMO
I personally have informed as many people as I can about these crooks.
Some members of my own family did not know what neocons or PNAC were. Now they know and hopefully they will inform others.

If we don't take whatever talents we have to try and stop these thugs, we will never forgive ourselves and we shouldn't. Every one of us can sure as hell talk to people about our concern with the future of this country. Frankly we must as citizens. Remember what happens when good people do nothing.

The mess we are in now is due in part to the effective control of language and lack of dissent amongst their side. It wouldn't hurt us to share what arguments have been most effective in communicating our opinions to people.

'The media... robs and betrays us... no more lies... WE ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE!!!'- D
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NationalEnquirer Donating Member (571 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 11:25 AM
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57. I get it now.
I dont agree with some of the suggestions on this list, but I get the "gist" of it.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 03:36 PM
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46. Superb!
Edited on Mon Jan-31-05 03:43 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
At last.... a thoroughgoing recognition of the power of words!

Something that's always puzzled me... could you ever imagine the Republicans, never mind the neocons, referring to the Democrats as the "Grand Old Party"?!!!!! Why not the "FOP"? The "F" could cover a multitude of sins, but one is quite topical.
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k8conant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 04:03 PM
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47. hsub and yenehc and ecir are a despicable team....
especially when backed by evor.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 04:32 PM
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48. This also keeps in your consciousness who the real enemy is
by using these phrases and being deliberate about it.

I like it.

:evilgrin:
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 06:13 PM
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49. Kick (n/t)
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 06:18 PM
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50. As noted in #29: Expect updated version by noon PST, 1 Feb 2005. (nt)

BE THE BU$H OPPOSITION; 24/7
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 06:19 PM
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51. Thanks for posting the rules-they are great!
Though I do like using the "*" symbol for bush...there is something very satisfying in it-maybe because it shows him as merely a dot or an insignificant tool.

Also, elsewhere on other boards, I use the terms Dubya and Shrubya quite often as they are apt visual descriptions of the bumbling stumbling maniac who is installed in the white house.

Lastly...love the name of the movement- The "b. o." ! Something about * etc., is definitely very smelly! :evilgrin:
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 08:02 PM
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53. I have always spelt it: bu$h or bu$hit...(n/t)
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:15 AM
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55. They are NOT pro-life, only pro-birth and anti-choice. nt
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