Randi's "Deep Cover" Hypothesis

[Jack_Dawson]

Randi isn't saying, but is strongly intimating that there is a reason Democrats disappeared from the airwaves on November 3rd. She thought it would be very strange to have this many stories of fraud, that many lawyers, and then just disband the operation outright. She also reaffirmed a concession speech is not binding.

I want so badly to believe that wheels are turning someplace. I want so badly to believe we will strike back with a coordinated effort and documented voter fraud before December 12th.

Are you buying it?

[TimeToGo]

1. I hope

[kayell]

8. Hope

We must accept finite disappointment, but we must never lose infinite hope.
--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning.
--Albert Einstein

[whalerider55]

2. buying it?

i'm still not sure what's being sold, other than democracy...

whalerider55

[troubleinwinter]

3. I don't know. I just don't know.

But it is strange that NOT ONE highly placed demo has spoken. Not one?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

4. I unfortunately, keep reading things that convince me less it was stolen

This one is most persausive http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x28818
and there are others.

[StClone]

7. That explains only one thing

There are too many coincidences, especially those "bad" exit polls.
It's also curious that almost all these "uh-ohs" favor Bush.

[springhill]

19. Read this please..........

While the counties in question have a high percentage of democratic voters, they tend to vote republican. Having said that, there is a stark difference in vote differences for democrats and republicans in a lot of the counties. I went to Florida State Elections page and got some totals for the last three elections. Here is what I found:

Baker County:

1996 - (D) 2273 (R) 3684
2000 - (D) 2392 (R) 5610
2004 - (D) 2180 (R) 7738
Notice how the democratic vote actually went down in 2004, but the republican vote skyrocketed in each of the last two years.

Columbia County:

1996 - (D) 6691 (R)7588
2000 - (D) 7047 (R)10,964
2004 - (D) 8029 (R)16,753

Duval County:

1996 - (D) 112,258 (R)126,857
2000 - (D) 107,864 (R)152,098
2004 - (D) 157,624 (R)218,476

Holmes County:

1996 - (D) 2310 (R)_3248
2000 - (D) 2177 (R) 5011
2004 - (D) 1810 (R)_6410
Another county where the 2004 totals for dems are down from the previous two years, but the republican vote again skyrocketed.
These are just a few counties, but there are many more that follow the same patter.

[BayStateBoy]

5. I'm Skeptical Our Leaders Will Reappear and Kick Ass. n/t

[Chelsea Patriot]

6. The pieces are coming togather! It's so Overwhelmingly Obvious!!

[Ducks In A Row]

9. hope springs eternal.

I guess we dems are fools for love

I heard that and dared to hoped.

[autorank]

10. We are A..B..A..N..D..O..N..E..D. Step 1 in recovery is acceptance.

Corporate America controls the media and we get manufactured news.
Corporate America now controls the voting machines and we get manufactured elections.

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

[Jack_Dawson]

12. I Cannot Accept it

Every day it gets worse. If we can't have faith in our own elections, wtf is the point?

[kayell]

16. I'm not accepting defeat, when we are not clearly defeated

Talk to me again on December 13.

[autorank]

20. Jack_Dawson & kayell: I respect you both and I wish I had your faith.

Unfortunately, I do not. We cannot have faith in our elections because there was major, major tampering in this election. Have you noticed any news broadcasts on the subject in the 'mainslime' press? No. How long do you think it will take to label the truth about this 'a conspiracy theory,' the standard mainslime press code word for "we're not going near this"?

If our standard bearer were doing a stealth thing, don't you think we'd hear about DEM lawyers (we paid for those turkeys with our donations BTW)? I'd love to hear something. I'd love to be wrong. And if I am, you can both put me on your 'ignore and electrify' list.

Unfortunately, we've been left high and dry by Kerry, and Terry M along with every single senator (unless one of them had the guts to even raise the issue).

It's good to know you're abandoned. It's refreshing to realize who you can trust and who you can't. It promotes self sufficiency. DU is the hardest rocking place for real democracy anywhere in the USA. Even if we prove it and nothing is done, it will be our Alamo, our Bull Run, our 'day that lives in infamy.' We will win but it will not be because we were lead by people who don't even know the democracy equals counting all the votes fairly and accurately.

Screw the leaders! We'll find new ones who realize that they work for us.

Corporate America controls the media and we get manufactured news.
Corporate America now controls the voting machines and we get manufactured elections.

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

[kayell]

22. I'm not certain of anything. I do believe that abandoning hope before it

is clear that there is reason to, is counter-productive.

And if Kerry is any good at doing the stealth thing, we won't know about it until he's ready.

[autorank]

23. Good point. We don't need Kerry to maintain hope.

He's leading us, or at least he was. Someone else will arise to express our will, meaning the will of all fair minded citizens (many of whom will be found in the * camp). The hope is that the truth comes out. We don't need one person to do that, although it would help if we could use some of that legal talent we paid for. Keep the faith (in yourself and your peers).

Corporate America controls the media and we get manufactured news.
Corporate America now controls the voting machines and we get manufactured elections.

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

[Malva Zebrina]

11. Randi is doing a superb job today

I also want to believe that we were not abandoned. But, Randi also said that the formation of a new party within the Dem party, by the crossing over of moderates such as Snowe and Collins (Maine R) and Chafee (Rhode Island) will help to reform the Democratic party and that forming a new party will take some local concentration of getting that party into slots on a local level so there would be work to do there. I got the impression that she is not happy with the Democratic party, the deafening silence, and the apparent abandonment, but I am only guessing.

[LuminousX]

13. First rule of survival: You are all alone.

That doesn't mean give up hope, but I am not going to sit around and wait for the Democratic Party to catch up to me. We see what is wrong. We see the path we must take.

If they are working on things in the background, bully for them. I think they are doing it wrong unless they are incorporating the press in the process because there is no way the people will accept a reversal of an election without crystal clear proof of fraud. And when I mean crystal clear proof, I mean proof that even Rush Limbaugh can barely deny (the man probably farts alone in his car and still blames someone else).

[hlthe2b]

14. Wouldn't you think it would become apparent to BevHarris and others

working on election fraud, if there were legions of lawyers out there working on the same thing?

I'd love to believe it to be true, but I just can't imagine it would not become apparent to our investigators. :shrug:

On the other hand Mike Papantonio (lawyer who works with Bobby Kennedy on AAR) was scheduled to go immediately to Ohio on Wednesday after the election-- On his show Sunday, he had Greg Palast and absolutely did everything possible to talk about issues unrelated to voter fraud--though the comediane RENO did manage to bring it up at the end of the show. The 180 degree change in Mike P and his adamant stance that we just needed to move on, really made me suspicious--almost like he might be part of a plan to throw everyone off? I don't know... I'm just so puzzled.

[txindy]

15. I believe it

Absolutely.

[CarinKaryn]

17. They have to be working on this

All the time, energy and MONEY we have donated to them? They better be spending it fighting this fraud.

[John Q. Citizen]

18. Kerry said something like...

All the votes will be counted and all the votes will count, not by litigation, but by the people.

Well, what's happening now? It ain't just John Kerry's country. This land is your land and mine.


To paraphrse Leonard Cohen;

I don't like your fascist fashions mister,
I don't those lies a killing us,
I don't like what you did to my sisters
First we take New Hampshire, Then we take Columbus. (Ohio)

[mzmolly]

33. Perhaps that's why they're pursuing a congressional investigation?

:shrug:

It's all in the consitution.

[info being]

21. The only one who will step up is Ralph Nader

This is what we get for believing in the status-quo loving Dems. Same as it ever was.

[GreenPartyVoter]

25. Trouble is Ralph, Cobb, and Badnarik do not have the funds to pay

for a recount. The only one who can ask for one is Kerry.

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[Stephanie]

26. We can raise the funds

I could raise it - how much do they need?

[GreenPartyVoter]

27. Not sure. There was an email from the Badnarik campaign floating

around DU today that explained the situation. I will see if I can dredge it up.

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[Stephanie]

24. I choose to believe that Randi has some inside dope

Remember, we knew they were going to steal it. We knew how they were going to do it. Everyone knew. There is a war going on right now in the permanent government between CIA/State vs. Pentagon. We have spooks on our side. We know a crime has been committed. If we know it surely Kerry knows it - witness the campaign insiders who have posted here in recent days. I don't doubt Kerry & Edwards commitment to truth and justice. If they can save at least the voting right then I believe they will do it.

[GreenPartyVoter]

28. I can't imagine Mrs. Edwards would have posted here, esp the quote she put

up, if the K/E team really had skulked away into the night, tail between their legs.

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[Stephanie]

29. I agree with you

.

[rhyfeddu]

30. Where's that post, please...

...from Mrs. Edwards??

[oregonjen]

31. I hope this works

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2635416

[rhyfeddu]

34. Groove - Thanks!

Yep, Oregonjen, it worked! You're brill - I appreciate it!

:yourock:

See what I miss when I skip DU for a few days....;)

So great to get that acknowledgement and participation from Mrs. Edwards...LOVED her "regular people" reply...

*Sigh* We NEED them in the WH, so freakin' bad..

[mzmolly]

32. Yes, consider it BOUGHT

:hi: