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JoMama49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 12:48 PM
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TOM DELAY EDITED OUT OF 1/6/05 TRANSCRIPT?
I'm starting a new thread about this, because I think it's that important. Larry Bensky on KPFA just heard from a caller who told him she tried to find Tom Delay's particularly virulent rant against the Democrats and Boxer from the 1/6/05 Ohio electorate challenge, but it is not in the official transcript. Bensky answered that members of the House and Senate can edit the transcript before it is released to the public? Does anyone know if this is true?
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 12:50 PM
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1. I heard it too, but do not yet know if it is true.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 12:51 PM
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2. Can someone capture it from TIVO and keep it alive on the net?
.
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 12:58 PM
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5. There were a couple of people that day copying it. Plus C-span
is selling copies. We definitely need to preserve that with pictures and sound for history! It is insane to think thugs can strike their OWN inflammatory remarks from the record. I could understand a defamation of character lawsuit from someone causing that change, but how can you claim you defamed your own character?
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 12:57 PM
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3. WTF? It was televised! Now they want to "edit" history?
I agree-this is VERY important! Especially since it concerns that sleazy, slimy bastard! So...what's next? I'm in---whatever it is! We need to move collectively to expose these jackasses before they completely destroy everything good about our country!
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 12:58 PM
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4. c-span must still have the video
We should type up the transcripts ourselves and post it on here and our blogs in case anyone is looking for it.
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Last Lemming Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 12:59 PM
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6. We need the transcripts
and a place to keep them available for all--
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 01:01 PM
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7. It's been posted on here
A DU'er already captured and posted it that day I believe--check archives.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 01:04 PM
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8. Found it!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=264827

Mr. DeLAY. Mr. Speaker, I rise to claim the remainder of the time.

The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Texas is recognized for the remainder of the time.

Mrs. JONES of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, can I ask how much time that is?

The SPEAKER. In the tradition of the House, the gentleman from Texas is recognized for 5 minutes.

Mr. DeLAY. Mr. Speaker, what is happening here today is amazing but not surprising. Mr. Speaker, what we are witnessing here today is a shame. A shame. The issues at stake in this petition are gravely, gravely serious. This is not just having a debate. But the specific charges, as any objective observer must acknowledge, are not. That is because the purpose of this petition is not justice but noise.

It is a warning to Democrats across the country, now in the midst of soul searching after their historic losses in November, not to moderate their party's message.

It is just the second day of the 109th Congress and the first chance of the Democrat congressional leadership to show the American people what they have learned since President Bush's historic reelection, and they can show that, but they have turned to what might be called the ``X-Files Wing'' of the Democrat Party to make their first impression.

Rather than substantive debate, Democrat leaders are still adhering to a failed strategy of spite, obstruction, and conspiracy theories. They accuse the President, who we are told is apparently a closet computer nerd, of personally overseeing the development of vote-stealing software.

We are told, without any evidence, that unknown Republican agents stole the Ohio election and that its electoral votes should be awarded to the winner of an exit poll instead.

Many observers will discard today's petition as a partisan waste of time, but it is much worse than that. It is an assault against the institutions of our representative democracy. It is a threat to the very ideals it ostensibly defends. No one is served by this petition, not in the long run. And in the short term, its only beneficiaries are its proponents themselves.

Democrats around the country have asked since Election Day, and will no doubt ask again today, how it came to this. The Democrat Party, the party that was once an idealistic, forward-looking, policy colossus. The New Deal, the Marshall Plan, the Great Society, the space program, civil rights. And yet today one is hard pressed to find a single positive substantive idea coming from the left.

Instead, the Democrats have replaced statecraft with stagecraft, substance with style, and not a very fashionable style at that. The petitioners claim that they act on behalf of disenfranchised voters, but no such voter disenfranchisement occurred in this election of 2004 and for that matter the election of 2000.



<Time: 15:45>

Everybody knows it. The voters know it, the candidates know it, the courts know it, and the evidence proves it.

We are not here to debate evidence, but to act our roles in some scripted, insincere morality play.

Now, just remember: pre-election memos revealed that Democrat campaign operatives around the country were encouraged by their high command in Washington to charge voter fraud and intimidation regardless of whether any of it occurred. Remember, neither of the Democrat candidates supposedly robbed in Ohio endorse this petition. It is a crime against the dignity of American democracy, and that crime is not victimless.

The Democrat leadership came down to the floor and said this is a good debate; we ought to be having a debate on this issue.

<Page: H122> GPO's PDF

This is not a normal debate. This is a direct attack to undermine our democracy by using a procedure to undermine the constitutional election that was just held.

If, as now appears likely, Democrats cry fraud and corruption every election regardless of the evidence, what will happen when one day voters are routinely intimidated, rights are denied, or, God forbid, an election is robbed? What will happen? What will happen when, God forbid, this quadrennial crying wolf so poisons our democratic processes that a similarly frivolous petition in a close election in the future is actually successful, and the American people are denied their constitutional right to choose their own President?

Mr. Speaker, Democrats must find a way to rise above this self-destructive and, yes, plain destructive theory of politics for its own sake. A dangerous precedent is being set here today, and it needs to be curbed, because Democrat leaders are not just hurting themselves. By their irresponsible tactics, they hurt the House, they hurt the Nation, and they hurt rank-and-file Democrats at kitchen tables all around this country.

The American people, and their ancestors who invented our miraculous system of government, deserve better than this. This petition is beneath us, Mr. Speaker; but, more importantly, it is beneath the men and women that we serve.

Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues, both Democrat and Republican, to do the right thing. Vote ``no,'' and let us get back to the real work that the American people hired us to do.

_______________________

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COUNTING ELECTORAL VOTES--JOINT SESSION OF THE HOUSE AND SENATE HELD PURSUANT TO THE PROVISIONS OF SENATE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION 1 (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES--JANUARY 6, 2005) -- (House of Representatives - January 06, 2005)

<not sure how to link - the link looks temporary - search at www.thomas.loc.gov >
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Acryliccalico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 01:41 PM
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9. Thank you
I have printed this up -hard copy. Can't evaporate into thin air now.:kick:
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 01:55 PM
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12. "Historic losses"? Only if you fell off the turnip truck yesterday. eom
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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 03:34 PM
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15. Do you think it was erased because he was the first person
to suggest GW "is apparently a closet computer nerd, of personally overseeing the development of vote-stealing software."? I didn't hear a single democrat senator or representative say anything remotely close to that. Having that left on the books would leave people to wonder where he got such an idea and look into it. That's how I see it.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 07:25 PM
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17. Delay Sarcastically Links Jr. With "Vote Stealing Hardware"?
Funny, NO Democrat that spoke on that day mentioned vote stealing hardware IIRC.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 07:28 PM
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18. i wonder if that was why no Dems would bring it up?
to see if any of the Republicans would slip :shrug: :think:
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:44 PM
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21. I thought he mentioned Rove...or was that someone else? eoq
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kitkat65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 11:28 AM
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34. Somebody did mention Rove - I don't remember who
He spoke of a conspiracy theory involving Rove sitting at the white house behind some computer screens masterminding fraud.

I went back over the judicial report which mentions no such thing.

Either they've been getting on boards like these reading "what if" scenarios or... who knows?

But what really stood out to me that day was that the Reps speeches didn't address what the Dems were saying at all. It was just this obvious attack campaign.
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suziedemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:58 PM
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29. And he also says ... what if one day an election is REALLY stolen...
Like - it's not so far-fetched after all. But we will all know an election is stolen if a Democrat wins - it will be clear to everyone (especially faux watchers) - so no worries.

Since he was clearly not reacting to what was actually said by Democratic Congressman - he will make people want to look into what the "X-files" wing of the Democratic party is saying - which he distorts. No one thinks Bush is a computer nerd.
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AtLiberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 01:46 PM
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10. Hmmm...
Yes it's virulent, but most Republican speeches I heard that day had the same tone.
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 01:54 PM
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11. Here are the links to the CSPAN Videos
Edited on Sun Jan-23-05 01:58 PM by Bill Bored
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bemis12 Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 01:58 PM
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13. Where is the official transcript?
If someone could come up with a link to it, it's easy enough to tell whether he's been edited out. Otherwise, I'm skeptical of this claim.
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:46 PM
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22. Try the two links here:
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bemis12 Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:57 PM
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28. Thanks for the link. It's there- not deleted.
As I suspected, it remains in the record.

http://tinyurl.com/466y8


Most of the way down the page.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 02:07 PM
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14. Great catch, JoMama! n/t
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JoMama49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 07:00 PM
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16. Folks on the Yahoo Board I'm on are telling me that they all
have 3 days to edit their remarks before they go into the permanent congressional record. You'll hear some of them state that at the outset of their remarks (I reserve the right to edit my remarks or something like that). It is commonplace for Senators and Congresspeople to go back and strike whole sections of testimony where they said idiotic things, so I'm glad we've kept the original transcripts. What actually ends up going into the record may be something different - re-writing history.

BTW, if you haven't taken a look at "the two faces of Tom Delay", check out this site: http://www.tylwythteg.com/enemies/tom.html

Scary guy!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:51 PM
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25. Scary sinkscum. Thanks for doing what I didn't do. Many. nt
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chrisbur Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:57 PM
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27. I have it all archived..
if anybody wants it.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 11:04 AM
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32. He's the muscle. I will read that, thanks. n/t
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greenmutha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:08 PM
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19. WHEE! I HAVE IT ON TIVO AND TAPE!
Live and in living color! :bounce:

And I'm a gonna be making LOTS O' COPIES soon!

(Wheeee... What Fun!) :evilgrin:
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:41 PM
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20. I may need it....
If anyone responds to my offer:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x299795

Do you have the house and senate covered, or just that amazing work of DeLay's?
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greenmutha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:46 PM
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23. I have *everything* from start to finish!
1-The press conference that Barbara Boxer and Stephanie Tubbs Jones had prior to the start of the joint session.

2-The joint session of Congress up to the actual challenge by Stephanie Tubbs Jones and Barbara Boxer.

3-The House debates.

4-The Senate debates.

5-The remainder of the joint session when it reconvened.

6-The press conference by the CBC after it was all over.
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:54 PM
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26. Praise the Lord! I just offered to my whole town a free dvd or video, or
that they could come over to my house and watch those if they didn't have a computer or tv.

I was hoping I'd be able to deliver...

So thanks, I'll be in touch after I get my new computer tomorrow.
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kitkat65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 11:36 AM
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35. See if you can find the Karl Rove masterminding
fraud behind a bank of computers within the white house.

It's be interesting to see if that's still on the record.

Not that I think that's what actually happened...
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greenmutha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:50 PM
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24. Forgot to say:
Want me to send you a copy? That LTTE you wrote totally rocked. :toast:

I'd be happy to make you a copy and send it. PM me, Ojai Person, if you want one.
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bemis12 Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:58 PM
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30. False alarm- it's in the record.
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greenmutha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 09:15 PM
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31. I just checked the Congressional Record and it's still there, too.
You need Adobe to read it, but if you so desire:

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?position=all&page=H121&dbname=2005_record

Yup! Big Ol' Hoax alert!
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 11:16 AM
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33. That's OK, I'm sure the Mutha eFFer is on tape somewhere. eom
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