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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 10:37 PM
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Conyers: This election isn`t over YET
Read down into his interview!!! OH BOY HES DA MAN


http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=567
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 10:44 PM
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1. Thanks
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"We the people" have no voice in the USA!
http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com/electionreform.htm#...
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 10:44 PM
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2. Hmmm... this may help to explain last nights Nightline "Infomercial"
The fact that the MSN broke their silence on election fraud at all leads me to believe they know something(s) big is coming.

It ain't over yet.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 10:45 PM
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3. You mean this?
Larisa: So essentially this past election is considered over, even if your investigation should bear fruit and is for moving forward?

Conyers: I would not say it is over because if there are criminal violations they can be prosecuted still.

Larisa: This brings me to Kenneth Blackwell who is not seemingly cooperating

Conyers: What a piece of work he is.

Larisa: How do you plan on handling Mr. Blackwell because he does not seem to want to cooperate?

Conyers: Once we get the committee hearing approval, this is my very next immediate task. Obviously we need him as a witness, and I would be willing to invite him to come forward. And if he refused I would seek a subpoena.

Go, John, go!
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 10:53 PM
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7. He has to get Sensenbrenner to approve the hearing....
That's the problem.

I'll give you 5 to 1 that Sensenbrenner finds a way to 'not approve'.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 10:20 AM
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42. Unfortunately, Senselessbrenner is a political troglodyte.
Right down the line for RW wacko & big bu$ine$$ positions.

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 10:48 PM
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4. Keep Digging John
Conyers knows where the body is buried. The repugs know it too.
That is why the Ohio A.G. filed a motion to stop the civil suits about the election.

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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 10:48 PM
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5. Interesting folks... But sadly, it is over.
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 10:50 PM by Stand and Fight
Those familiar with my posts, know that I was a huge advocate for election-day fraud. I still am and I continue to ardently believe that John Kerry is the rightful winner of the past presidential election. Nevertheless, this election is very much over. It's time to continue our war against the hypocrisy of the Bush administration. Clinging on to false hopes that the wrongs of the election fraud on November 2, 2004 will be righted is unhealthy. It is serving to hold us back from continuing forward in a progressive drive to take our country back from Bush and his Neo-Conservative-Pansy-Candy-Ass-Fascists.
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 10:58 PM
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8. ahh but to uncover the truth
and expose them for the scum that they are is a must. Yes we need election reform but we also need Justice for Democracy.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:02 PM
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10. We can't take our country back from the weed and his neo-cons
if we don't have election reform. We won't have "true" election reform unless Conyers pursues these hearings. There is no need to worry about the party if we don't get laws passed that correct our election process because without "true" reform a dem will never win the WH and we will always be the minority party in congress. So, the focus needs to be on the election fraud of 2004.

Never Give Up!


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Griffy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:09 PM
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13. No.. its time to expose the fraud to the public.. then see what happens!
Bush could be ousted.. with real election fraud exposure a dem sweep in '06 gives us house control.. then impeachment can begin! .. Stranger things have happened...
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:12 PM
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14. But how to move on without fixing the problem?
I am getting the Moveon, DNC, etc. etc. emails about planning for the next elections. I just can't get excited, and in fact don't see the point UNLESS this system is repaired.

I think all of our energies should go into pounding the election fraud problem until action is taken to correct it. Well, at least until they make this a mental illness, dope me up and leave me drooling in a corner, which has been mentioned by the fascists in power.
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 05:33 AM
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34. This is exactly the problem Vanboggie. The machines must be un-fixed.
For two years, I and many others wrote and lobbied for people to be aware of the voting maching scam and con game that was being played in the country, yelling that if the machines weren't made right (un-fixed), the election was lost no matter what else happened. Nobody paid the slightest attention until the election got closer. Then there were many articles and news bites and TV programs and so on about the problem, but now that the election is over, it's back to business as usual. Forget about the machines. I checked BuzzFlash yesterday and there was only one article in there about the machines. Befote the election, every other article was about the coming possibility of election fraud. Now the election is past; fraud is obvious, but nobody is looking at where the problem lies. WE HAVE TO WAKE UP AND KEEP THE FOCUS ON THE MACHINES. UNTIL THE VOTES ARE COUNTED PROPERLY NOTHING ELSE MATTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 10:07 AM
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40. Exact;ly - fix it or forget elections
As Conyers said, it doesn't take political science to figure out what is happening. Well, it doesn't take computer science to understand how easily voting machines and tabulating computers can be manipulated under the radar either. I don't know why more people cannot comprehend that. Good God, take an easy steal like that and mix it with Repukes owning the machines and it is a no brainer.

Democrats who want to "moveon" are deluding themselves.



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artv28 Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 10:47 AM
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43. I agree
My biggest problem with the Nightline story on election fraud was that they didn't talk about how vulnerable the machines are to hackers. I also don't recall any mention of who owns the machines.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 10:50 PM
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6. I love it, but I see a problem....
"All I have to do is persuade chairman Sensenbrenner that it is in all of our best interests and that he support it because he can unilaterally grant the hearings. I dont need all of their support."

That sounds like one hell of a hurdle.

How will he 'Persuade' Sensenbrenner?



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KatieB Donating Member (431 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 10:59 PM
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9. How persuade? = Trade-offs
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:33 PM
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19. I'm hoping. nt
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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:06 PM
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12. How to Persuade? ...well you ARE in favor of fair voting and counting...
...all the votes, AREN'T YOU Mr. Sensenbrenner????

:evilgrin:
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:32 PM
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18. It'd be nice if it were that easy.
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 11:32 PM by Dr_eldritch
"I cannot bridge something that will appear to be harrasment to the American people. Parading our elected official in front of them like criminals will not reflect well on the sanctity of our good offices.
Not to mention those pictures I have of a lovely vietnamese lad..."

If I know politics, it won't be easy.

(Why do I get the feeling 'Sensenbrenner' understands the 'young boy' reference...?)
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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:45 PM
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21. This is one of the easiest issues to frame there ever was.
What politician in his or her right mind would come out AGAINST fair elections???

(And remember, if you're not with us, you must be with the _____________!)
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 12:05 AM
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23. How to Persuade? Lead the parade, or get trampled underfoot
There may be something so compelling that it can't be ignored. Conyers sounded very confident. He didn't use any qualifiers like "try". I do think that the aggressive moves of the last couple of days by the anti-election fraud factions show something is afoot. The Ohio AG's move and the unprecedented exposure the Nightline show gave the issue is likely a sign of real trouble in "Roveville".
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 12:46 AM
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28. I sure the damn hell hope so...
Thanks for the hope.
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 01:04 AM
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30. I hope you're right!
"There may be something so compelling that it can't be ignored. Conyers sounded very confident. He didn't use any qualifiers like "try". I do think that the aggressive moves of the last couple of days by the anti-election fraud factions show something is afoot. The Ohio AG's move and the unprecedented exposure the Nightline show gave the issue is likely a sign of real trouble in "Roveville"."

I like what you wrote and I hope you're right! I SO want the truth to come out!
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Im with Rosey Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 07:01 AM
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35. Help Conyers persuade Sensenbrenner
sensenbrenner@mail.house.gov I sent an email to both this address and the judiciary 1/19. It might help if Sensenbrenner gets tons of mail! I don't expect much, but at least I am able to feel like I tried to help Conyers. If judiciary gets enough email they will know we are paying attention and we support Conyers.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 07:25 AM
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37. With our help
We need to pummel Sensenbrenner with letters, emails, faxes, etc.
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Griffy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:06 PM
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11. SUPERKICK .. read it.. Conyers is the real deal! nt
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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:12 PM
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15. I used to live in his district!
Yep, in DETROIT! :yourock:
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:17 PM
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16. It's good to know he's on our side
I think it's good to know we stil have a decent, respectable official rooting for us, and it's good to know there's a well sized group of people rooting for him. All it takes is that we don't let up and we feed the fire till it's done. I'm thinking I feel good =)
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 01:42 AM
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32. That's what the word 'Democrat' use to mean...without apology.
It IS nice to know there are still those who honor it, and practice it tirelessly.

You heard it, he said it, they don't care if the Inauguration has taken place, they plan to move forward, and IF "criminal" things were done...
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kitkat65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:22 PM
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17. Should we be slamming Sensenbrenners office with e-mails and faxes?
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:35 PM
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20. No... let them deal in earnest.
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 11:36 PM by Dr_eldritch
Tell me, when you were young and about to go clean up your room, and someone else told you to do it... did you feel like it?

What if you knew they would tell everyone you cleaned your room because they TOLD you to?

I know it's not sophisticated, but neither are politicians.
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FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:52 PM
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22. Try a polite, well-written request for them to support Conyers' request...
Edited on Fri Jan-21-05 12:17 AM by FreepFryer
it's EXACTLY what's called for. Please contact Congressman Sensenbrenner and make your opinions known, in a respectful but determined way!

http://www.house.gov/sensenbrenner /

WI Office
120 Bishops Way, Room 154
Brookfield, WI 53005-6294
Telephone: (262) 784-1111

Washington, D.C. Office
2449 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515-4905
Telephone: (202) 225-5101
Fax: (202) 225-3190

mailto:sensenbrenner@mail.house.gov
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 12:06 AM
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24. Sounds reasonable.
But slamming him politely is still slamming.

I'll do it though. After all... I hear politics is a full-contact sport.

Thanks for the notion.

:D
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FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 12:16 AM
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25. You don't have to slam him, just respect the office and ask him to...
...exercise his own judgment. Lots of Republiticians are corrupt, but by asking them to make their own decisions based on evidence or sources you cite (in this case, Rep. Conyers himself!) is the kind of thing that makes the politican think "Hmmm, behind this person are probably X more, etc. etc."

If you slam, they don't even finish the letter.

Great instinct to become involved - that's what's really important.

Believe in Yourself!
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 12:33 AM
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26. Good point - the uncertainty of potential.
I pictured a hundred correspondences saying, "Do this thing." flooding his office.

It is my own failing that I haven't faith in a mass of people to exercise discretion.

I trust you get my point.
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kitkat65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 01:56 PM
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44. Perhaps "slamming" was a poor choice of words...
I just meant perhaps we should engage Sensenbrenner via faxes and e-mails a well-reasoned and respectful argument for believing he should seriously consider Conyers request.

O8)
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floridadem30 Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 12:45 AM
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27. kick kick kick great article
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 12:55 AM
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29. Wow...there are still some good ones out there!
He certainly is not lacking in integrity! What a great patriot!
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 01:41 AM
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31. kick
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 01:56 AM
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33. every day I admire Conyers more and more n/t
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 07:07 AM
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36. to Conyers and Rawstory
:toast:
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dalloway Donating Member (744 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 08:44 AM
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38. GREAT INTEVIEW! Kick it up for the am folks n/t
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planetc Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 09:52 AM
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39. Conyers for Man of the Year. Any Year. n/t
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 10:17 AM
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41. Kick for Conyers, highly recommended n/t
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 04:59 PM
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45. Conyers: my nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize.
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