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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:29 PM
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Did You Really Believe?
Did you REALLY believe that justice would prevail and that by an undeniable force of all that is right and good in this world fraud would be revealed and Kerry would be triumphant and claim what was legally his,--The Presidency of the United States?



Did You REALLY Believe?

I did.
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:31 PM
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1. Well this is going to be fun...
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:32 PM
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2. You are one prepared MF!!!
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:34 PM
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5. I have had to keep that lil' guy handy lately
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:34 PM
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4. Still after those Mo Fos!
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 11:01 PM
Response to Reply #1
74. LOL, where do you get those great smilies!
:hi:
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #74
77. That one came from here
http://www.smileycentral.com/?lang=en

You have to install them though.

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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:32 PM
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3. Was there an official deadline on revealing fraud that I missed?
:shrug:
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:37 PM
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9. It's clear at this point Kerry will not be inaugurated on January 20
we can prove all the fraud we want to, and I'm sure it will be proven conclusively in time...but John Kerry will still never be President.
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lenidog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #3
12. No, but the longer it goes on
the less and less likely we will be able to prove it.
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Salomonity Donating Member (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:44 PM
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62. several, all past
Once the electoral votes were certified, it's really absolutely over. Congress voted overwhelmingly to endorse the election results: even those who voted otherwise said loudly and repeatedly that they didn't think Kerry won.

It's over folks.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #62
64. sure it is
if you say so :hi:
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:56 PM
Response to Reply #64
69. Lol!
I just said the same thing. I should read all replies before I respond. :)
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #69
72. it's all good
as long as you used one of these :hi: i'm happy
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #62
67. Oh, well, if you say so, it must be so
:hi:
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T Town Jake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:35 PM
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6. Gonna grab me some popcorn and a cold one...
...and watch this thread.
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #6
14. Is it buttered and what kind of beer? n/t
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T Town Jake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #14
21. Dripping with "movie theater" butter, and washed down with Heineken...
... :beer: :thumbsup:
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:11 PM
Response to Reply #21
38. Yummy..can I have a bite and maybe a little sip?
:beer:
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:36 PM
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7. Yes I did, and do
I believe there was fraud, it will come out, but it's likely it won't come out until after the 20th. A deja-vu of 2000.
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:00 PM
Response to Reply #7
28. sparky
:hi: O8)
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #28
29. is that the sparky you were talking about.....
in another thread.......


:hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #29
32. shhhhhh
don't tell everyone our secret about keef :wow:
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #32
33. i don't believe it
does keef know about "keef....i'm not hiding anything....."
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:08 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. well he does now
sheesh some people can't keef a secret(freudian slip)
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #33
36. Nope, not me
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 09:12 PM by sparky_in_ma
While I look incredibly hot in suspenders, I'm not KO. Darn. : (
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:11 PM
Response to Reply #36
39. It's best to deny it
because they will never leave you alone,keef
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #39
42. LOL
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #42
45. isn't he cute Faye
just look at that orange tie and purple suit it really makes a statement,doesn't it? :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #45
46. actually
i just like the glasses :crazy:
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #46
47. what!!!!!
the glasses,what about the brows?
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #47
48. let's not mention the brows
but i love guys in glasses :loveya: :o

it does something to me that is NOT RIGHT.
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:44 PM
Response to Reply #48
49. ROFLMAO
Cool Faye,thanks for the laughs tonight,i have to get outa here.talk to you later.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #39
43. LOL
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #36
75. burden of proof is on you, dear.
you must either:
>post during the KO show, and not during a break
>provide a "pool shot."

Until then, you will be inundated with these: :loveya: :loveya:
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mordarlar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 07:19 AM
Response to Reply #75
84. ROFL Pool shot. Love it !!!!!!
Again i sadly am not caught by the "keef" bug but always one to support a cause :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :D
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 09:28 AM
Response to Reply #75
96. I agree with you
REvcheesehead, he is going to have to provide proof or everyone will be left to assume that he is Keef.

Like saying I am not Keef is enough,were progressive democrats we need Proof sparky Sheeesh.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:37 PM
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8. I still believe
Okay, it's not going to be as easy as we thought, but it's not as easy for the Republicans either, they thought they would win at all costs and that everyone would accept what happened and it would be like 2000 all over again, it's not, there is a growing activism in this country, articles criticizing Bush are now appearing in the mainstream press and when the money stops flowing, people will start talking, we have never had fraud on a scale like this, I don't care what was certified, once the truth is out, the people will demand a stop to the fraud, When there is irrevocable proof that the vote was hacked then there will be a change.
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:15 PM
Response to Reply #8
41. good point
misswaverly and welcome to DU! :hi:

You have a great point about the growing activism ,it seems to be spreading like wildfireand I hope your prediction comes to light.
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toymachines Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:38 PM
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10. 19 and i am already cynical.
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:47 PM
Response to Reply #10
16. That is too bad
I'm 35 and I am just beginning to find hope.

All joking aside, we stand on the eve of a silent revolution. If you gage our fate based on DU prophesies, or what you see on the news, I could understand the cynicism.

Take a step back, and look at what is happening in this country. We, the people, have the power if we choose to use it. What I have seen these past two months gives me tremendous hope.



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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #16
26. I agree with Seito
i am inspired by what I have seen accomplished,recently.

we were told it would not happen and it did,the election was

contested.While it would have been nice to get the person we

elected,it appears that is not going to happen.We can't have

everything,but we do have to continue to fight for what is ours,our

democracy.I think there is hope for getting back what has been stolen

from us for at least 4 years that we know of.

NGU
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #16
56. When seito speaks, listen well, grasshopper.
:thumbsup:
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toymachines Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:39 PM
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11. But i do believe the pendulum will swing... eventually.
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:43 PM
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13. What I'm asking is did you believe that Bush would be denied
the Presidency?? Did you belive Kerry would prevail?
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Philly Buster Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 07:19 AM
Response to Reply #13
83. After Kerry conceded there was no turning things around
I know a concession has no legal standing but for Kerry to turn around and fight would have been a disaster. They called him a flip flopper before the election; can you imagine how the MSM would have skewered him after?

Even so I'm hoping there has been an awakening of the electorate to the need for serious election reform.

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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:44 PM
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15. do i still believe
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 09:43 PM by Faye
that Kerry will be President on January 20th? Of course not, that is impossible at this point.

Do i still believe the truth will be revealed and the fraud will be proven? YES. More than ever.

Do I feel 'let down' or 'stupid' because I stated I Believe many times it's 3 threads? NO.

There is a risk you take when you invest in faith and hope. The risk of being wrong, the risk of looking foolish for having believed in something that did not come to be. As in religion, or spirituality. But if that day comes when what you had believed in or hoped for does NOT come to be, it is in no way a time to lose faith in what other good can come of it.

So in that case, yes, I do still believe. Justice will prevail, but only by the power of the people, and by those who believe.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #15
17. Absolutely, well said Faye.
;-)
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mousie Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #15
18. I agree with Faye... well said, Faye! :)
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #15
22. Our dreams define our goals
Dream of small things and you will accomplish small things.

I am proud to be numbered among the believers. I hope that I never lose faith.

I agree with everything that you said.

I STILL BELIEVE
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:51 PM
Response to Reply #15
23. Thanks for those wise words
I won't give up on justice.

I am wondering, though, for those of us who DID BELIEVE IN THE BEST POSSIBLE ENDING, is your body feeling as sick and aching and numb as mine is?
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. i feel fine
surprisingly. i was devasted on Nov. 3rd and 4th, but this is different, at least for me. it's not like we had exit polls telling us Kerry was going to still be inaugurated. We had reports, lawsuits, and recounts telling us there was fraud and that it was in possible realm of possiblities but very unlikely that it would unfold in time to overturn the election. I was ready either way, for this one.
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #24
37. yep
what she said
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #23
44. I feel fine, too
In fact, I'm feeling better with every day. I think our movement will grow and grow, and that ** will be swept away by his misdeeds.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #23
50. Not at all sick aching or numb here
Just hopeful. I did believe in the best possible ending, but I'm adaptable. Silly me, I somehow didn't realize how far this country has gone from "justice prevailing". So, I guess what I believed was somehow naive, but I still did believe.

I was somewhat "sick, aching and numb" when the election results were announced, but after a week or so, I realized that I wasn't going to accomplish anything that way.

I believe that truth will prevail in the end, and that we, right here, can make a difference. I can't say when "the end" will be - I hope it's sooner, rather than later. We can't afford to be apathetic, we can't afford to think "Bush won, get over it" - I, for one will never believe that anyway. It also seems that with each passing day, his shrubness is getting even more arrogant, bold, and unpopular. Not to mention downright criminal.

So, I think he's digging his own hole, and that we will help put him in it, because each and every move he makes is going to undergo scrutiny from this growing "underground" movement. And it's going to keep growing, because each and every move he makes pisses more people off. He's going to go down, and I'm going to enjoy every minute of it.

So, I believe.

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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #50
52. Yes, the only bright side is that we're in for quite a show!
The Wheel of Fortune is turning.



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SueZhope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #15
25. great post Faye n/t
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KarenS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:49 PM
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19. Part of me believed, the other part of me was never able to

visualize BushCo making a concession speech or stepping down.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:49 PM
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20. I truly believed Kerry would win and
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 08:51 PM by babylonsister
was floored when he didn't. I still think Kerry was the better candidate, and have faith that this whole admin is going down after enough Americans wise up, be it through fraud findings, irreversible ineptitude on the part of Shrubco, or too many conspiracies to cover up. I'm keepin' the faith!
Edited for clarity.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:00 PM
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27. I still believe.
I believe the final, true vote total will be Kerry 52%, * 48%.
I believe that Kenneth Blackwell is soon to be in deep, deep shit.
I believe that Karl Rove will go down in disgrace.
I believe Cheney will not fulfill his term as VP, and will never succeed * as president.
I believe * will be even more reviled and hated than Nixon ever was.

I also believe that the Dems will unite and work ferociously at saving social security, and attempt to do something about healthcare.

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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:03 PM
Response to Reply #27
30. I believe we are seeing
through the same crystal ball revcheesehead! :toast:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #30
31. That's cool -
but I call mine "the eyes of faith."
Same diff, but it keeps the fundies at bay! :) :toast:
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #27
40. It'll happen, we just need to keep nudging it along...
:evilgrin:
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satya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:09 PM
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35. I STILL believe, but I now think the "best possible ending" is not ...
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 09:10 PM by satya
the one I originally wanted to see. The thefts of the presidency are only the tip of the iceberg, and when all is revealed, even *'s most fanatic supporters will be forced to see the truth.

I even believe Kerry knows this, and has once again made a huge sacrifice for his country. Time will tell.
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Mistwell Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:40 PM
Response to Reply #35
60. Some will NEVER believe
Just a minor point of disagreement. I do not think Bush's most fanatic supporters will be forced to see the truth. Never.

Those who supported Nixon prior to Watergate, still for the most party supported him even after.

Fanatics (of any kind - and we have them here too) never change their mind. It's sort of part of the definition of a fanatic.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:51 PM
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51. Without Hope, why bother to live? ALWAYS have a Plan B.
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 09:54 PM by johnaries
If Plan A fails, then implement Plan B, and it becomes the new Plan A. But, you better develop a new Plan B.

On Nov 3rd, all of us here knew something was wrong. Plan A was to prove it before the votes were certified. Probably wouldn't happen, but COULD happen. Work hard on Plan A. Plan B would be to prove it and have Congress challenge.

Plan A failed, Plan B is now new Plan A. New Plan B: prove fraud before Bush is Inaugurated.

Plan A partially successful, Electoral Vote was challenged and Election legitimacy is now called into doubt. Implement Plan B.

New Plan B. Impeach Bush. Granted, Plan B will be dificult to implement with republican controlled Congress. Plan C, prove Election Fraud before 2006, re-take Congress, then impeach Bush.

NEVER GIVE UP!!!! Or else, why even bother in the first place? :shrug:

EDIT: spelling, of course! I blame it on the rum & coke.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #51
53. w00t best post of the day
well, in my opinion anyway :) :hi:
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #51
54. My next best plan B might be to wait for a world power to intervene
You know, to bring about regime change, ensure free elections, spread democratic principles....


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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #51
55. I'll Never Give Up, I'll Never Give Up, I'll Never Give Up...
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #55
57. Spooked
Whatever you wish for on your 1000th post will come true. Make it a good one. :)
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #57
65. Well then, seito, I'm going to close my eyes and wish
that the suffering children in Iraq will somehow find the strength to carry on in this world. They really need our prayers more than anyone.

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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 01:21 AM
Response to Reply #65
79. Beautiful wish
I will join you in that prayer.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:32 PM
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58. Is this the DUDQ Meeting? n/t :)
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #58
59. It might as well be
We missed ya tonight :(

Rev did a mighty fine job finding us a safe and undisclosed location for our secret meeting.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #59
63. I saw!
Except for a severe lack of :loveya: (which I chided them for in my post) it was a rousing success! (sniff... my children don't need me anymore.)

What is this thread about anyway?
:)
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jsw_81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:42 PM
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61. Not for a second
I knew it was over on election night.
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Democrat Dragon Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:54 PM
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66. Yes I did
when I saw the articles about "being under the radar" and Cliff Arenbeck's challenge. But I am always too overconfident in things, which is why I often screw up. Now that I look back, I Kery should ahve used those millions to bribe Blacksick. That's what I would have done.
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mordarlar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:55 PM
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68. Call me crazy but i still do BELIEVE truth,justice and "good" will prevail
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Philly Buster Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 07:23 AM
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85. I'm waiting for word from Andy and Cliff
I know they are working hard for us. I thought there was going to be some kind of announcement/press release yesterday and I admit I'm getting impatient. I assume they are going after Blackwell.
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mordarlar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 08:20 AM
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87. There are some rumblings. Better to take time and be accurate...
then to jump the gun and be unable to fight it. Things are happening. : D
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Philly Buster Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 09:22 AM
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95. I agree they have to be careful
I'm just anxious for some good news
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:56 PM
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70. I believe we will prevail because the veil has been lifted and ...
we are all different tonight than we were just two months ago. The election fraud activism -- that has already sprouted in an MSM vacuum -- will only continue to grow (and grow rapidly) if WE don't go away. Fortunately, even here in Tennessee, the interest is growing -- not waning. And the incredible power of the internet (and of this particular watering hole) is a way-potent tool that we are wielding well.

Here's some of the evidence of growing activism from the Orange State:

http://www.tnimc.org/feature/display/3890/index.php
http://www.tnimc.org/feature/display/3944/index.php
http://www.51capitalmarch.com/scrapBook/december04/nash...
http://www.tnimc.org/feature/display/4027/index.php

And here's how this one old yellow dog has changed in two months.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...

Unfortunately, I'll never be a simplistically patriotic puppy (i.e., naive) again, but this old dog now has the scent of the election thieves up his nostrils and the baying of our expanding pack of rapid democrats will keep the thieves running 'til they're treed (or down a spider hole). I believe the "consent of the governed" will become our operating principle again. If you don't believe that, just hide and watch.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 01:27 AM
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80. Your DU link isn't working. NT
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 08:41 AM
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93. Let's try again
This thread should still be active (not archived yet). So here's another try at posting it. If it doesn't work again, I'll just repost my earlier message in its entirety. (No modesty here.) Thanks for asking.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:58 PM
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71. nope, what i really believed
is ......it is going to take a lot of work to did the info out,. then it is going to take time to find someone who will actually go around and press charges against these people. then in time they will turn on other people, and then in time, maybe we will get it out to the american people.
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 02:08 AM
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81. Or the International community may just get SO tired of Shrubco,
THEY may bring them to justice for us.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 06:37 AM
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82. i keep thinking here and there
that is what it would take. help from the outside world
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 11:00 PM
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73. I still believe. Apparently you aren't noticing whats going on.
There's lots of reasons to beleive.
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DCwebmaster Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 11:11 PM
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76. Kerry is in Iraq
bypssing Bush with paralell diplomacy
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 12:55 AM
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78. I absolutely did. And for the same reasons....
....that I believed that all the obscene policies, immorality, and crimes that are associated with this administration would catch up to them, causing shame, scandal, and jailtime.

It is hard when right is overcome by wrong ( no pun intended).
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 08:18 AM
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86. I was very optimistic until 1/6
Then my optimisim changed to acceptance. They will meet their karma-hopefully sooner, rather than later.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 08:23 AM
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88. I still believe...
Edited on Wed Jan-12-05 08:24 AM by ClassWarrior
I will ALWAYS believe.


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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 08:23 AM
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89. WHAT
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 08:23 AM
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90. ARE
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 08:23 AM
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91. THEY
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 08:23 AM
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92. HIDING?
NGU.


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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 09:15 AM
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94. Hey, you!
You sure bolted out of the KOEB thread last night! "Behold, the power of estrogen!"

BTW - I'm glad I'm not the only one to remember "The Farmer in the Dell." I've had to explain that "cheese stands alone" WAY too many times.

NGU. :evilgrin:
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 09:39 AM
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97. I used to believe that good will win. Maybe it does in the long run.
But that long run might be centuries... eons....

Bad people win too often. People get away with all sorts of shit, all the time.

It sucks.
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k8conant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 10:40 AM
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98. Yes YES YYESSSSSS
Edited on Wed Jan-12-05 10:41 AM by k8conant
and I still do.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 10:52 AM
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99. I used to believe
wholeheartedly. Do I now? Some days yes, some days no. Sorry, if some don't want to hear that "downer" attitude. But I can't help it, I'm only human. I think I'm waiting for someone to take the reins of this thing and lead us in the fight of our lives. And that's not happening, or maybe it's happening behind the scenes...which is the little bit of hope that I cling to on my darkest days. Right now, some good, solid, kick ass news would be oh so welcome...pretty please.

(waits for the popcorn throwing to begin)
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 10:55 AM
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100. I STILL BELIEVE! THANK YOU DOOHICKIE!
:hug:
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 11:15 AM
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101. Those who believe it will all fade away don't believe in Conyers
or the Black Caucus or those who care about the threat of losing the country.

It may fade away with the DNC and DLC and our other 'leaders' in Washington. Hound them.

One of the easiest things to do is point out the hypocrisy that is now America-U.S.

Promote the Conyers paper. Promote books and websites about the fraud. Demand attention. Promote AAR.
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 06:02 PM
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103. Well Put!
Kicking for the truth!
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 11:40 AM
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102. I stopped believing that Kerry would be President on November 3
I didn't fall for any of the "Kerry's secrect plan" bunk that so many were pushing.
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