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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:04 PM
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Franken and a "Berkeley Professor" explain how "*" "won"
That happened about 25 minutes ago in AAR.

I was driving to work and I heard this "revelation."

Total agreement between the 2 "geniuses":

1. Kerry was portrayed as a "flip-flopper." (Kerry's fault)

2. Iraq is "*"'s strength.

3. "*" is a "straighshooter"..."people likes him"..."people thinks he tells the truth..."

Well folks, rigth there is the problem. You don't need to be a rocket scientist.

With people like Franken and this "professor" on the airwaves, "speaking on behalf" of Democrats or trying to do so, THERE IS NO HOPE OF WINNING ELECTIONS.

I mean people that can be so blind or willingly ignorant of reality HAS NO PLACE IN THE NEW REALITY CREATED BY THE REGIME.
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Darkhawk32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:06 PM
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1. I stopped listening to Franken.....
He amplifies the stereotype of a "liberal"...
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:08 PM
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2. actually I think his problem is he believes the stereotype of a liberal
and is afraid of it.
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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 06:38 PM
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51. I think Franken is stupid and I don't like him anymore
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hadrons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:09 PM
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3. besides, Darkhawk32 had the Carlos Beltran press conference to listen to
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 02:10 PM by hadrons
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Darkhawk32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:10 PM
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5. I'm hoping the Mets get Delgado and Sosa as well....
That'd be a nice outfield, eh?
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hadrons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:12 PM
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7. this is the last on the subject (we won't hijack the thread), but ....
ESPN Radio in Chicago Reports that Henrdry and Minyana are to meet next week regarding serious discussions about trading for Sammy Sosa.


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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:13 PM
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10. Great you guys!
Let's talk baseball!

"Good for the American democracy..."
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:29 PM
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43. Kind of like whichever Congressperson it was
who was talking about the Michigan and Ohio football teams. :-)
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:37 PM
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44. Yes, that was a "rethug" of course (n/t)
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:54 PM
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45. cool
I was the biggest Sammy defender out there until last season. Bye, Sammy!
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:40 PM
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34. i can not listen to franken any longer! n/t
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:49 PM
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35. Me too.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 05:10 PM
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46. I also stopped listening to Franken but I keep the radio on and tuned
to AAR anyway. I don't want them to lose the ratings, keeping them on the air and gaining more affiliates across the country is vital. They are the only Dem leaning MSM talk news station out there at present. Besides, I think they might start carrying Thom Hartmann's program soon, I think that's why Randi had him as her guest host, to familiarize her listeners with him. I listen to him all the time now but my computer stream constantly craps out on me. It'll be better if he's on AAR and I can just turn on my radio to hear him. He will educate a lot of people.
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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 05:24 PM
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47. I quit too........
I don't want to say bad things about him though. Of all AAR programming, IMO, his show is the weakest. I really thought he'd be a strong advocate for us but so far, not so much. Do you think it's because he's wanting to run for Senator sometime soon?

NOW, I listen to Thom H from 12-3PM and I'm much happier. :-)
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:09 PM
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4. The question is, why do people still trust Bush?
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 02:12 PM by tridim
He's a proven liar, yet they still trust him. Why? It's the media, which of course is the same thing as BushCo.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:12 PM
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6. People doesn't. That's the kick
Both geniuses ignore the "corporate media" hit job made on Kerry and the "corporate media" selling "*"'s "goods."

That's why things are like they are today in the US.

Simple.
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liam97 Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:12 PM
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8. Raul, I share your disgust
but ordinary people know better than these "great folks" which is why there was some kind of a grassroots response to the election-related issues
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:18 PM
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14. Yes, Liam
I know that, I'm thankful of knowing that the Americans are not the "morons" Franken and his peers try to portray.

Raul
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:24 PM
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16. you mean not all americans. some of them are morans.
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liam97 Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:51 PM
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27. The problem is not really with the ordinary folks
but with an extremely reactionary upper middle class
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:25 PM
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17. I understand people not gettng the black box tech.
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 02:26 PM by sfexpat2000
But, with all the evidence of the massve suppression of the minority vote, sometimes I wonder if the problem here is just ugly old racism.

And those same people who haven't talked to a single voter from Columbus or Cleveland or East St Louis or New Orleans are the ones who don't know the same tactics are being used against poor people and students as well.

I did email the station and said so.

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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:52 PM
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36. If they aren't online they have no way of knowing. We live in parallel
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 03:52 PM by Amaryllis
worlds: the world of MSM and the internet. We live in both but they only live in the other. We overlap but they don't. To them, our world does not exist. Science fiction becomes fact.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:08 PM
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38. True to an exent. But I know that people at the station ARE on
the net. And believe me, MSM itself, like AAR, is highly aware of the net and use it to get information. What they do with it is something else again (rolling my good eye).
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 06:34 PM
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50. I was referring to the average person who doesn't go beyond MSM.
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hadrons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:15 PM
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12. he a good con man
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 02:17 PM by hadrons
he projects the image of honestly ... one of the reasons is that he is good at creating images ('freedom on the march') and I think his verbal screw up help (many people feel very articulate people - like Clinton - are dishonest) ... my mom use to fall into this trap, she said that if you forgot what you were able to say it was a lie (which is not true, but that's how she was raised)

Also Americans want beautiful lies to ugly truths and Dumbya gives the stupid the latter
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:13 PM
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9. We need to rally to get Franken OFF of AAR. He's GOT to go!
I'm sick of his frikkin' repuke asskissin'.

He's toast :nuke:

:kick: :kick:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:13 PM
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11. Email the station. He's got to stop that cr@p!
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:38 PM
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22. I did it (n/t)
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:17 PM
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13. Franken is the perfect example of Dems becoming Repug light.
Here's another example.

I heard him the car last week and started yelling at him at the top of my lungs. He said he would have no problem at all with a pro-life person being the head of the DNC.

He's worthless.
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euler Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:24 PM
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15. Rove got to him maybe ? He succumbed to...
...right wing brainwashing ? Is there another explanation ?
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:28 PM
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18. I think he is paid by the democratic party to spew that crap.
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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:32 PM
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19. I think he has battered dem syndrome
I've stopped listening to him.
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:33 PM
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20. Are you sure you heard this right--if they're talking about how Bush and
Kerry are PERCEIVED by a lot or most people, they might be right.

That doesn't mean they think Kerry is a flip-flopper.

The fact remains that Kerry said he was "misled" by Bush on Iraq. Bullshit. I haven't believed one thing Bush said since he became pResident, and I haven't been wrong once.

He would have been seen as a lot more resolute if he hadn't supported Bush's war until he opposed it.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:37 PM
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21. With my own "cheating ears"
Plus, if Americans are such a morons, that "subtle" distinction you make, "perception", is a construction that the "common American" would not be able to make.

Franken's games are very dangerous and irresponsible.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:40 PM
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23. Yep. I wonder if he isn't trying to get irate callers? From an
entertainment angle? I don't listen (can't listen to talking and work at the same time.)
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #20
54. No Raul Did NOT HEAR THEM RIGHT> My Guess Is Opening Poster
is intentionally misrepresenting what Franken said.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:33 PM
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59. Hey, AL, c'mon...
The interview WAS HEARD BY MANY MORE PEOPLE.

That's OK, it will go away, eventually...
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:40 PM
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24. It's OK if they play that game
let them try to deal with all the problems they describe while we focus on election reform. I see no problem with that.

it oes suck that Franken doesn't recognize the problems with the election but that won't stop us from working on it. he's not the only person who can change things
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:44 PM
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25. Why don't you send Franklen the exit poll information that TIA
has from the Post? That actual shot of the page reflecting the numbers is something the idiot needs to see.
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euler Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:06 PM
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32. The top of that page....
...said "Preliminary"

The bottom of that page said "Final percentages may change"

I can assue you, the final exit poll, will not contain those phrases.

It would be better to wait for the final version before we start sending it out all willy nilly.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:50 PM
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26. "*" is a straight-shooter?!?!
Yeah right! The SOB lies like a rug every time he opens his thin-lipped, mealy little mouth!
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:53 PM
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28. Franken thinks that way, I guess
I mean, the media says "*" is a "straightshooter", people believes the media, therefore "the democrats are the problem"!

Franken likes that construction and he doesn't take the time to challenge it.

Lazyness, that's all.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:22 PM
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55. Franken DOESN'T Think That- He Didn't SAY That.
the 'lazyness isn't on Franken's part. It's on your part.

Although it may very well not have been lazyness on your part.

Who knows, maybe you WANT people to get the wrong impression about what Al said.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:24 PM
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58. OK, AL...
"I'm sorry..."

See my other post below,

G'day.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:37 PM
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33. Let me tell any lurking freeper creeper about being a "straight shooter"
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 03:39 PM by Straight Shooter
It carries a price, and you've got to have personal integrity when you deal with people. I am a straight shooter, I have always been a straight shooter and my goal is to remain a straight shooter until my final breath.

I despise seeing my moniker associated in any manner whatsoever with him, because bush is no straight shooter!

.
.
.

edit: this post not directed to anyone currently on this thread


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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:25 PM
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42. Shrub couldn't shoot his way out of a paper bag.
I've just been wanting to say that phrase for days. :D
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:57 PM
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37. Did they say THEY thought * was a straight shooter or PEOPLE think
he is? Because lots of ignorant people DO think he is a straight shooter. I have quit listening to Franken but it is hard to beleive he would say * is a straight shooter????
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:13 PM
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39. Franken's presentation was confusing, on purpose
He wouldn't say that "*" is a "straigth-shooter", of course.

He just made all the constructions to explain how is acceptable to think people gets to that point of dellusion.

I mean, if you play by the right wing talking points.

Franken was reacting at a topic framed by the right wing, once again.

That is, "*" "won."

"What's wrong with us...Democrats"???
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 06:33 PM
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49. What's wrong is Dem leadership is math challenged; can't add up how
many votes it would have taken to change the election outcome (11 votes per precinct in OH; got that on voter suppression alone-never mind machine manipulation) and most don't have a CLUE about e-voting vulnerabilities.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:15 PM
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40. Straight shooter, is that the new way of saying...
lies 100% of the time?
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:56 PM
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29. Is it possible they were just regurgitating the CW about Bush?
If not, then :puke:

and also they are a disgrace.
:mad:
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:58 PM
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30. Well...
They were repeating right wing talking points and NOT ONCE, they talked about the "corporate MSM" and their participation on the smear campaign about Kerry.

I think is clear what they're doing.
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euler Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:04 PM
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31. Here Here...
"I mean people that can be so blind or willingly ignorant of reality HAS NO PLACE IN THE NEW REALITY CREATED BY THE REGIME."

I agree 100%
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #31
41. Actually, it's "Hear, Hear"
Just a pet peeve of mine.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 06:07 PM
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48. I can't listen to Franken. He touts the DLC line,
hook, line and sinker. He hasn't got an original thought in his head.He expands DLC talking points. He promotes their hand picked people,i.e. Roemer. Watch.He will come out against Dean shortly. He is hatcheting Kerry because that is their version of the "lost" election. Notice how he spews back the points the Senators echoed during the certification.Don't you hear the echoes of Clinton in his talk? "stop whining, Bush won. Bush got more votes, Bush "deserves a huge Inaugural"?
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 06:54 PM
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52. WAKE UP AL! If we don't fix the voting system, nothing else matters!
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 07:00 PM by Carolab
Jeeze. Franken is doing the party a real disservice by NOT talking about the disenfranchisement and the problems with these machines, etc.

Everyone should be writing to him and telling him this.

You can contact the show right here:

http://www.airamericaradio.com/shows/alfrankenshow/
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:19 PM
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53. The Opening Post Is A Pile Of Steaming Crap. I Heard The Interview
and they said Kerry being painted as a flipflopper and that people WRONGLY percieve Junior as strong on terrorism and as a straightshooter.

Why do people post outright lies on this forum to smear Franken?
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:23 PM
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57. The initial part of the interview was a repetition of RW talking points...
"Too subtle for the common American..." (Franken's argumentation)

The challenge to those talking points was weak at best (I'm generous), by both "gentlemen."

The rest is your WISHFUL THINKING, and, of course, you're entitled to that.

Regards.
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googly Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:23 PM
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56. The only real reason Shrub won is because the repugs
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 07:23 PM by googly
stole more votes than our side did. Although as a small
consolation, we in Washington state beat them by stealing
more votes than the repugs did, in the governor's race.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:21 PM
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60. Another "Douchebag of Liberty" Congratulations Al! Come on down.
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