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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:21 PM
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I Believe
I believe that the power of the original "I Believe" thread(s) was something unique that had widespread implications.

Even while we are willing to let go of a set date and time, we're now finding ourselves in the glow of the Congressional challenge to the Ohio electors, an historic interruption of the ceremonial process for two hours to talk about broken elections. And recognizing the vast distance that has been covered in just the eight weeks since the election, I know this:

We still believe.

We believe that history will show that John Kerry received more votes in the election of 2004.

We believe that the forces of anti-democratic greed that made this travesty possible, along with the ones preceding it, have peaked in their power. Their crimes are coming to light. True democracy, America's greatest gift to itself and the world, will triumph.

We believe that Dr. Seuss was right: the last, smallest voice down in Whoville can make all the difference when it joins with the rest.

We believe, because we're lucky to know a few other people who also believe, and know that the right thing must be done.


This is dedicated to the difference that DU has made, to its incredible assortment of talented brains, and to Doohickie who started the first thread and really got us all wondering whether hope should be abandoned along with hard work. And we all thought about it, and some of us had to show up to say:

I Believe.


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thoughtanarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:23 PM
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1. cheers!
:toast:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:23 PM
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2. I believe, too, bleever.
Just don't tell Eddie Haskell, because he screws up everything.

NGU.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:26 PM
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3. awesome new theme for the believers.
I do also beleive. The truth will be known, and it will be soon. We will still prevail in proving the Presidential Election of 2004 was fraudulent.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:33 AM
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117. Patience
It took 2 years to topple Nixon, and his crimes were trivial compared to Bushit's. But in the long run, these crimes will topple many many Repugnicans, because their participation was widespread. They will be severely weakened, if not sent into obscurity with the Whigs and the Know-Nothings (the intellectual ancestor of today's Repug party).
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:30 PM
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4. agreed
I still believe

the Robber Barons are nothing new to America, we just get to fight the fight again

Now we just need a leader like FDR to carry us forward
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:34 PM
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5. I believe that when Democrats
Raised serious and grave concerns about the most fundamental issue to democracy the republicans answered with the mother of all flame wars.

I believe that my head is still swimming recognizing the facts of the matter: These assholes are on record with all the silly claims and flat out lies that are trivial to refute.

It's going to take me days to get through the CR and harvest the cherries :D

-Hoot
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:34 PM
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6. hi hoot!!
:hi:
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:45 PM
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29. Heya Faye.
:hi:
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:37 PM
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7. I believe!
NGU :)
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:40 PM
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10. Hey sparky
I have to remember that one NGU.You are a believer aren't you you devil :evilgrin:


NGU
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:50 PM
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14. Yes
I was hoping this thread would stay alive. I believe this administration will come apart, and the next resident of the white house will be a democrat.

O8)
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:56 PM
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18. So you
have some intuition? not bad for a man.
I am with you on that one , I think I see some loose threads as we speak!


NGU

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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:39 PM
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8. Yes
Bleever Horton hears a who, love that story!

and thanks for getting this new thread started.I am feeling inspired just by having this new beginning of the new i believe thread.

Here we go.

How long can they hide it? Bleever weren't you the one who started that?

I believe justice will be served!

this first one is to Dedicated to Doohickie for giving us optimists a place to call home.Thanks Doohickie! :hi:



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LiberalCompassionate Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:40 PM
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9. I Believe
we will not go silently into the dark night.

I Believe :toast:
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:55 PM
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17. Welcome Liberal
It is wonderful to see all the new people.


I BELIEVE, always have, always will

Oh and NNNNNNGU :)
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:12 PM
Response to Reply #9
25. Welcome to DU
And the most positive thread you'll find. :hi:
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:19 PM
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27. Yes welcome
and you have just been welcomed by a couple of my good buddies.(really though you can't trust these two don't tell them I said that.)
LOL

Sparky is right this is great thread.This is the fourth of it's kind in case you did not already know. :hi:
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LiberalCompassionate Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 11:02 PM
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31. thank you all for the welcome! n/t
:)
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dalloway Donating Member (744 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:44 PM
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11. I believe! n/t
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:45 PM
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12. Baltimore's Slogan is "B'lieve, Hon"
You bes b'lieve that Kerry won. Y'all bes b'lieve Gore won too!
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FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:47 PM
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13. "I believe that we as a people shall get to the promised land." - MLK
Edited on Sat Jan-08-05 08:49 PM by FreepFryer
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:50 PM
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15. Well, my eyes are tearing up all over again.
Well said Bleever,

I am in awe of the wonderful people here. I feel so blessed to have been able fight beside each of you in such a worthy cause. If they can not defeat our spirit, they cannot defeat our movement.

I would like to thank Doohickie for his simple message of hope that resonated around the globe.

To the Believers :toast:

I BELIEVE
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:54 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. Here Here!
To the believer's :toast: Gotta love that Canadian beer!

I believe!

NGU
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:57 PM
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19. I BELIEVE!


Thanks, bleever!

:loveya:
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:59 PM
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20. I believe that logically-based search for truth and justice will prevail
Edited on Sat Jan-08-05 09:02 PM by TruthIsAll
That's why I keep posting.

I believe that sooner rather than later, a tsunami of powerful circumstantial, statistical evidence will achieve the criical mass necessary to enlighten those who are now ignorant or in denial of the truth.

I believe the evidence is already clear and unambiguous.

I believe that whether third-grade arithmetic or Probability and Statistical Theory is applied to the data, the truth flows like clear spring water.

I believe democracy was scammed in this election.

I believe our heritage is on life-support right now.
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:04 PM
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21. I believe
that TIA's tireless work also keeps me coming back to do more.I believe TIA is right.

lets get ready for round 2 !I am ready :hippie:

I believe

NGU
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:06 PM
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22. I believe
that keepthemhonest is absolutely right!

Thanks TIA!
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #22
24. I believe
That we will win the fight for fair, honest elections.

NGU :toast:
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:08 PM
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23. I believe "...the internet is our nu-cu-lur weapon...
... our weapon of 'evil massa' destruction, and we're damn good at using it. We are at another starting point -- another getting on place -- from which to engage in the eternal struggle that eternal vigilance demands. And we aren't coming into this battle empty handed, empty-headed or leaderless. But we are coming smart, fast and mad -- and we are gaining steam and growing our numbers daily. Tonight I know we will prevail. We will take our country back...."

What else I believe:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:14 PM
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26. Fly by night
it's nice to meet you and your other post looks very inspiring,I am going to have to go back and read when I am not so beat though.The last few days staying up late are wearing on me.
:hi:
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:33 PM
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28. A person's a person, no matter how small.
I believe that Horton will hear us whooooos.

I believe.


Dr.Seuss knew what he was talking about.
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njdemocrat106 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:57 PM
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30. I'm a believer
People, know that WE are right, and that I believe that BushCo will pay for their crimes by 2008.
Keep the faith!
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Philly Buster Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #30
61. I believe
there will be payback in '06 and retribution in '08.
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:47 AM
Response to Reply #61
112. I'm betting on '05!
Because I believe!
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 11:03 PM
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32. I believe ....
"those who believe the election was stolen will always believe it."
(Rep Bob Ney R-Ohio Jan 6, 2005)

...and those who don't believe now will come to believe.
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 09:47 AM
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37. Ooooh
i like that one


I believe!

NGU
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denese Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 11:05 PM
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33. Yes, I do believe
I refuse to give up hope when it is all I have.
And I also believe that Dr. Seuss had the answers to many of our most important questions.
denese
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:23 AM
Response to Reply #33
35. Hi Denese
Welcome to DU :hi:

You have found the best place in house.
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denese Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:54 AM
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40. Thanks seito
I agree about this being the best place in the house.
No lack of passion here for sure.
denese
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:08 AM
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34. -sniff- And I guess sometimes, even if your own big brother doesn't
always believe, well gosh, you gotta still believe, onaccounta the best you can do for your friends...

...is to still be the guy they were friends with in the first place...

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consciousobjector Donating Member (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:27 AM
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36. No doubt at all...I believe...n/t
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:12 AM
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38. I Believe!
I have more faith in DU and DU'ers, than I do in bushco. ('Course that ain't saying much, since I have no faith in bushco.)

So:

I Believe that DU'ers have, and will continue to discover the truth, and as the truth is discovered will continue to educate and inform, to the best of our immeasureable ability, those who still have faith in bushco.

They too, shall be made to believe, I believe.
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:21 AM
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39. Awaiting Kerry's Return
Every story which I read about Kerry's trip to the Middle East only increases my belief in him. Furthermore, I believe that he has been relatively quiet during that trip out of deference to the tsunami relief effort. God have mercy on the shrub when John returns to the Beltway!
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #39
184. Amen. It took me a while to see this, but you're right! NGU n/t
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madison2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:57 AM
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41. I will keep on believing
while I have breath in my body.

:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:21 PM
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42. Bleever, you are awesome. What a gifted orator you are. You
are wonderful with words. It's true what you say Bleever, we were lucky to have other believers who chose to band together here and collectively state our belief. And, Bleever, you are also right about the vast distance that has been covered in just 8 weeks.

Doohickie, a great big thank you for what you started way back when. Like Bleever says, your original thread was "powerful...with widespread implications..."

Still, I am having a hard time right now. I have been very firm and resolute in my belief since I joined DU a couple of weeks after the "election." Letting go of a set date and time is extremely difficult. I am torn now. While I do believe, eventually, history will show Kerry got more votes, I know that like other crimes against our nation history has a way of delaying the truth. Like someone I know who won a court case then had to appeal to get the monetary reward only to have the county delay the suit ever coming to trial.

Right now, I have no faith in my government. I have no faith in the media who could expose this sham for what it is which makes it a long shot for the crimes being brought to light. I don't know. I just don't know. I want to believe True Democracy will triumph, I want to believe in the smallest voice when combined with other voices will effect change, I want to believe. Right now, that's all I have, a desire to believe. It pains me that I am not more positive. My doubts trouble me. Sometimes I think we must doubt until we believe, I mean until we see...like the Doubting Thomas, you know.



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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:47 PM
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43. Sometimes you have to believe until you no longer doubt :)
I Believe that ** is now sitting on his highest approval rating

I Believe that a civil war is brewing within the Republican Party

I Believe that John Kerry is in Iraq doing the job that ** can not do

I Believe that the truth about Ohio will be brought to light and that Kathy Blackwell will be left holding the bag

I Believe that the silent revolution has already begun. This new civil rights movement will grow exponentially as we become organized at the local level.

I Believe that in the end, good always defeats evil

We are the good guys Tex, make no mistake about it, we are going to win

I BELIEVE
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 02:20 PM
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44. So very true!
This is my first post in the "I believe" thread. I've been reading DU ever since November 2nd. I had so many doubts about the election results, and all of you kept me sane :). Seito, it's really true that you have to sometimes believe until you no longer doubt. Thanks to everyone here for helping me through a very difficult time. Here's something I've posted in other threads that I think applies:


"They hope you will just go away, they are COUNTING on it."

...John Kerry, in email to his supporters.


After voting for Wesley Clark in the primaries, I worked to support John Kerry in this election as I have never supported a candidate before, because after 2000, I knew the only way I could survive a similar result in 2004 was if I personally had done everything I could to prevent it. So I did. I think John Kerry did, too.

After November 2nd, while trying to understand what happened in this Presidential election, I started doing on-line research. Like many of you, I discovered the facts. I completely believe that Kerry won this election, and his actions from the beginning also show he knows it. I decided that my yard sign would stay until January 6th, when I would understand more about what had happened and could make a better decision about how to proceed. I decided my bumper sticker would stay there forever, because I want the world to know I didn't vote for this administration's planned policies (like changes to Social Security, pre-emptive war, etc.) John Kerry, in my opinion, would be an excellent president.

I watched Thursday's Electoral Vote challenge with great interest. On the positive side, I am thrilled that history was made, and that activists helped to promote that. While I was disappointed that Congressional Democrats did not vote for the challenge, I was, and am, so proud that they spoke in support of Election Reform, which should have happened after the 2000 Election. I am especially proud of Senator Barbara Boxer (from my home state of California) for being the senator to sign the challenge. Just the fact that there WAS a signed challenge this time, is a step toward the goal of fixing elections before 2008. On the negative side, we were mocked by Congressional Republicans...by both their words and actions. They don't want election reform, and I could see in their faces that they viewed this challenge as an annoyance and a joke. So the down side, for me, is I finally understand how hard this is going to be. I think John Kerry knew this from the beginning.

In John Kerry's email (way back in November) to his 3,000,000,000 on line supporters he included a videotape with the words, "They hope you will just go away...they are counting on it." When I first listened to his words, they seemed very "out-of-context" to me. I've listened to them several times since, and they fit the context of January, 2005 perfectly. While it was very disappointing to me that he seemed to be looking beyond Election 2004 and telling us (his base)what he wants us to do, after yesterday, I now see that he is right. We Democrats, liberal or moderate, are TOTALLY out of power. We have little say in Congress or in the courts, and no say in the executive branch. The only way we will be able to accomplish anything within this government, especially considering we have a broken election system, is if we do not just go away like the Republicans are counting on us to do. John Kerry said we must "stand firm" and he is right. In his most recent email to supporters (the one where he asked us to call Speaker Hastert and Senate Majority Leader Frist and then LET HIM KNOW WHEN WE HAD DONE SO ) Kerry has begun the fight. If we, his on line supporters, go away, Congressional Democrats will have even less success in this fight. I believe we must stay engaged and support John Kerry and Democrats (who spoke so eloquently Thursday) in their efforts.

I don't know who I'll vote for in 2008. I still think Wesley Clark is great. I like John Edwards' enthusiasm. If Al Gore ran again, I've always thought he would make a great president. Maybe John Kerry, with our support will yet surprise us all (I REALLY hope so!). But I do know I'll never vote for a Republican, and I do know I want my vote counted this time. I think Kerry IS still fighting for us and there IS something to hang on to. So no matter who I decide on for 2008, Kerry has my support until this election reform fight is won!

I BELIEVE!!!!!!!!


:hi:
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #44
46. HI Yvonne
I agree with everything you have posted. Thank you and welcome to DU.

I BELIEVE

NNNGU
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #44
54. I believe
and Yvonne said it better than I ever could. I am hopelessly optimistic. I'm not thinking of 2008 at all - I believe this administration is not going to last that long, and I too believe Kerry IS still fighting for us. They can count on me NOT going away.

I BELIEVE!
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 04:59 PM
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59. Great Post, I like Wesley Clark too. n/t
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:57 AM
Response to Reply #44
113. Welcome to D.U.!
And thanks for believing too!
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #43
58. Seito, I believe you are wonderful and I believe you get a big
:hug:
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #58
60. Tex, you have inspired me for weeks
It is the least I can do my friend :hug:

Keep the Faith my friend

The Believers are going to rock this world. Watch and see.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 02:30 PM
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45. I believe, damnit!
I do believe and I thank you for this thread. :yourock:

DU BELIEVE? I DU BELIEVE!!!! :headbang:
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #45
47. Alright Mehr
I DU I DU.

Welcome Yvonne,Newbie. :hi:

I believe

NGU
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zapped 1 Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 02:52 PM
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48. self-delete
Edited on Sun Jan-09-05 03:19 PM by zapped 1


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NationalEnquirer Donating Member (571 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 03:00 PM
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49. I dont know what to believe.
I found a link to this site (democraticunderground.com) at www.oreilly-sucks.com and have been lurking for a while. I am NOT one of those people who believes in many conspiracy theories, in fact I always thought it was those right wing Montana militia types who were into those things. I actually started posting earlier in the non-political boards, about books, another interest of mine. But anyways, I have tried to read about the fraud that occurred this election, and I am stunned really, I dont know what to believe.. Can this all be true? I mean, it is truly frightening. The proof seems to be there though, can the media be THAT bad? This would be one of the biggest stories in my lifetime, how can they miss this? I think the media is just LAZY AS HELL. And stupid too, most of them dont understand statistics.

I thought the exit poll stuff was fishy, I mean, since when EVER has a candidate thought he lost, and then turn around and win? Not in this modern era, I remember a few elections back when the networks would call a state after only a tiny percent of the vote had been counted. It was the accuracy of the exit polls, so this time, I was like, what the HELL is going on?

Then I come here and wham, I mean, I am stunned. Its like, the more I read, the more I realize that SOMETHING has gone wrong, I dont know what it is, but something IS JUST NOT RIGHT!

I dont think I would have EVER found out about this stuff going on if it wasnt for you democraticundergrounders, or whatever it is folks here are called. At this point, I am almost AFRAID TO BELIEVE, its so, shit, scary as hell, HOW CAN PEOPLE GET AWAY WITH THIS KIND OF STUFF! IN THIS COUNTRY, IN THIS DAY AND AGE?!?!!

Sorry for the rambling, its like, the light that has been shined is so bright, it is almost blinding, a smack in the face that shakes the foundation of everything I have believed.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #49
51. Welcome to DU! THE place for enquiring minds.
:hi:
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NationalEnquirer Donating Member (571 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #51
52. Heh yeah I figurd the name was appropriate. Thanks! n/t
no text, well I guess there is THIS text, but no message, oh heck, I think its just n/t in the subject line, right?
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #49
53. first of all
i would like to welcome you to DU and as part of your orientation I suggest you arm yourself with WWW.planetsmilies.com.You may find them very useful.

secondly, I am glad to hear that your ears and eyes are open and you are trying to discover what may have happened on NOv2.This is exciting because we have had so many newbies joining for the same reason.

thirdly,Yes it is scary as shit to know that what people do to get elected or get their candidate elected.Although both dems and repukes have cheated in the passed,this is on a much larger scale(I have no tolerance for any cheating ,thus my name.)It kind of like if you don't believe in god it's a hell of alot scarier because you just die.That's it.It would be much easier on all of us if Bush had legitamately been elected (not that I want him in),then we would not have to go through all of this hard work and also think our democracy is dead and we are trying to revive it.

welcome!

I believe!
NGU
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #49
55. Believing IS scary
I think that's why it's makes such a strong statement to say "out loud" that you believe, even if you're not sure you believe 100%.

If we believe what our eyes seem to be telling us, what the facts seem to be telling us, we have to believe that we, as a citizens of this country (even the freepers, though they'll never realize it) are in grave danger.

It's so much easier to dismiss the gravity of the situation, or say that hope is already lost and so there's nothing that can be done, or to start placing blame on our allies, because human failure is easier to swallow than acknowledging that we have such a determined enemy. To believe that this fraud happened means believing we have work to do, and that it's going to be "hard work."

I had never gone to a rally or protest in my life before this election. I'd never really donated anything to a political cause. I figured there were enough people mobilized that these things were kept in check, and my support from the "audience" was enough. Now I know that it's up to me, and other people like the believers in this thread and elsewhere on DU, to keep fighting, no matter how long it takes.

I firmly believe that we believed hard enough to get Boxer to take her stand, and that our continued act of believing will see more "impossible" things happen. The spirt of our belief is indomitable.

Welcome to DU, NE. :hi:
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #49
201. Welcome, NE!
Good to have you. You will be able to find many sources of election indiscrepancies on this board that will help you decide for yourself if things look amiss. Warning: there's a lot of information to pick through...

Good luck, and enjoy your stay.
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greenmutha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 03:01 PM
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50. This I *do* believe wholeheartedly!
Thanks for the new thread, Bleever! :toast:
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IndyPriest Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 03:47 PM
Response to Original message
56. YES! I do believe I believe!
:toast:
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #56
57. ok indypriest
I'll have a beer :toast: i hate to see people drinking alone.LOL



I believe.

NGU
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dandrhesse Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 05:11 PM
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62. i believe, and just want to know where to focus next
looking thru remarks by senators there are some very specific suggestions as to what should be done. I don't want to waste my time or my email groups time, so I want to know if anyone has a clue as to who should be targeted next and for what specifically.
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #62
63. Personally,I am trying to get focused again
but I kind of feel like a tiny break,plus I am going away this week,the timing should be perfect.
there are some other threads chewing the fat about it.
i just joined a local voter reform group yesterday and I am going to work with them and their goals and probably Arnhiem's DU thread and also PDA.the trick will be getting all of these small groups to somehow be on the same wavelength.

I believe!

NGU
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #63
64. I believe
and wish you a good week off. Don't forget us poor little believers. :hi:
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #64
65. deleted due to overzealous poster who can't spell (me) eom
Edited on Sun Jan-09-05 08:32 PM by keepthemhonest

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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #64
66. Hey sparky
you're not getting rid of me that easy.LOL

I don't leave until thurs AM,but yeah i only have a three day week!
Definately wont forget about the poor little believers.Have I missed any DUDQ?

I believe! NGU!

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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #66
67. I haven't seen
a new show lately. Can't wait to see the blue carpet rolled out again. :)
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #67
70. Yeah can't wait for the next one
That thread really kills me.

:hi:

NGU

I believe
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 08:39 PM
Response to Original message
68. I Believe
Thanks DU for giving us a beacon in the fog since the election. I believe that if we keeping helping others to see, the light will soon be too bright to ignore.

:7
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #68
69. Welcome to DU, we can do it!
Great screen name.

:hi:
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 08:54 PM
Response to Reply #69
72. Thanks bleever
keep positive

:toast:
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 08:53 PM
Response to Original message
71. I will never stop believing in Progressive values.
Never Give Up.


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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 08:56 PM
Response to Original message
73. Here's to the wisdom of Dr. Seuss!
:beer:
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 09:05 PM
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74. I DU Believe!!!!!!!
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 09:11 PM
Response to Reply #74
75. Hey bunny: that picture made me really happy.
Thanks!

:)
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 09:11 PM
Response to Reply #74
76. Thanks for the pic bunny planet
i believe

NGU
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #74
77. You bet I Believe
In the spirit of Peter Pan :)

I won't give up
I will never even try
I will do Bleever tells me
I will never ask him why

Cause giving up is awfuller
than all the awful things that ever were
I won't give up, never give up, never give up,
Not me

NNNGU

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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #74
78. I Believe -- Hi, bunny!
Thanks, can we just look at this all day? Oh, and I'm glad you didn't post that pool photo or seito would have been really upset -- she hates that photo!

:)

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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #78
80. lol
Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water

:evilgrin:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #80
81. I Believe
it's time for a dip. OK, I'll stop. :)
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #81
82. I Believe
Somebody posted that damn picture again }(

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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #82
83. I Believe
I know who, who it could have been. Oh, my. LMAO

:loveya:
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:17 PM
Response to Reply #83
84. I Believe
The next duel is going to be JK pics at 50 yards :evilgrin:

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

I BELIEVE
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:06 PM
Response to Reply #82
86. dang i hate that picture

I find it so unappealing.
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #74
111. Ahhhh
I love that picture

May I copy it...



oops, too late :)
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 09:49 PM
Response to Original message
79. Please make sure to check out this thread
Edited on Sun Jan-09-05 10:44 PM by seito
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Watch the movie, you will not regret it.

I BELIEVE
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:52 PM
Response to Reply #79
85. That was great. Thanks for posting. NGU n/t
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:11 AM
Response to Original message
87. Another "I Believe" thread?
Edited on Mon Jan-10-05 01:12 AM by txindy
BRILLIANT!!


I believe we grow stronger every day.

I believe this administration will self-destruct and very soon.

I believe it's only a matter of time until Junior no longer matters, at all. (Crawford better get crackin' on those 'Welcome Home/Retirement' party arrangements. )

I believe our true President-Elect is doing an excellent job representing us in person in the Middle East.

Never give up. Never surrender.

I BELIEVE.

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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 02:07 AM
Response to Original message
88. Yay...I'm so happy this thread is here!
On the verge of debilitating discouragement, I can now go to bed with a little more hope. :)

Belief in the face of concerted negativity...thanks all you wonderful believers!

:grouphug:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 10:01 AM
Response to Original message
89. I Believe!
Been in a cave
For forty days
Only a spark
To light my way
I wanna give out
I wanna give in
This is our crime
This is our sin

But I still believe
I still believe
Through the pain
And the grief
Through the lies
Through the storms
Through the cries
And through the wars
Oh, I still believe

Flat on my back
Out a sea
Hopin these waves
Dont cover me
Im turned and tossed
Upon the waves
When the darkness comes
I feel the grave

But I still believe
I still believe
Through the cold
And the heat
Through the pain
And through the tears
Through the crowds
And through the cheers
Oh, I still believe

Ill march this road
Ill climb this hill
Down on my knees if I have to
Ill take my place
Up on this stage
Ill wait til the end of time
For you like everybody else
Im out on my own
Walkin the streets
Look at the faces
That I meet
I feel like I like I want to go home
What do I feel
What do I know

But I still believe
I still believe
Through the shame
And through the grief
Through the heartache
Through the years
Through the waiting
Through the years

For people like us
In places like this
We need all the hope
That we can get
Oh, I still believe

"I Still Believe (Great Design)" -- Michael Been/The Call: Reconciled, Elektra Records, 1986
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #89
90. Nice poem patsy!
I believe
NGU
How long can they hide it?
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #90
91. I Believe
They can't hide it for long. Not if we have anything to say about it.

Also, go listen to that song if you get the chance. It's quite inspirational. Here's a brief link: http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?user...

NGU
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #91
92. I guess I will have to wait
until tomorrow I am at an office that has speakers or tonight at home.Thanks I will.

I believe!

How long can they hide it?
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #91
93. Thanks Patsy
I might just purchase that.

I Believe

NNNGU
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:25 PM
Response to Original message
94. Another response
Defy the lie. What may come true is not known though some things ARE predictable.

Between those who defy the lie and believe every small victory will lead to triumph is the implacable dominance of truth. I always said that the other side, int their grand schemes and false ideas cannot win. They MAY make us all lose. We certainly are losing now, lives resources, rights, chunks of the future. Certainly Bush believes Armageddon is win/win for him too ultimately and no suffering or failure is too much for others to bear.

Waiting until THAT lie is proven on a silent planet demands more than belief. It demands instinctual resistance and intellectual responsibility for the gifts and duties we possess together.

Remember the Alamo. That may have been dumb optimism too until it was too late, but someone somewhere is going to keep fighting until victory is achieved for humanity. This is life against death and lies.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:27 PM
Response to Original message
95. Hope springs eternal!
I believed yesterday, I believe today and I will surely believe tomorrow that our beloved country needs us more than ever before!

"And this is my quest, to follow that star. No matter how hopeless. No matter how far. To fight for the right, without question or pause, to be willing to march into hell for a heavenly cause."-The Man from La Mancha

And so, I DO BELIEVE!
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #95
96. hey fooj
I believe too how about that?

NGU
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #96
97. Right back at you, girlfriend!!!
Edited on Mon Jan-10-05 01:40 PM by fooj
You give me inspiration and hope! :pals:
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #97
98. Why thank you
I guess alot of us bounce inspiration and hope off one another it is just what we need. Thank you.

I believe!

NGU(never give up)

How long can they hide it?
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #98
99. Still Believin
NGU
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ottozen Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #95
197. I Believe this will raise awareness/Bumper Sticker, etc.
"A VOTE FOR KERRY was A VOTE FOR BUSH"
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abbiehoff Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 05:13 PM
Response to Original message
100. I believe!!!!!
I believe because I have to. There is no other option. The truth will come out.
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #100
101. welcome newbie!
The truth will come out,you are right about that.

I believe!

NGU

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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:32 PM
Response to Original message
102. Surely the evidence of the widespread fraud, dirty tricks, and suppression
will only grow and become a cancer on his presidency, if it isn't used to set the results right now.

There was widespread and systematic voter suppression of minority voters, dirty tricks, vote machine fraud, and other vote manipulation in Ohio, New Mexico, and Florida- that was of magnitude enough to call in question who won those states.

http://www.flcv.com/fraudpat.html
http://www.flcv.com/EIRSFla.html
http://northnet.org/minstrel/alpage.htm
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19
?http://www.helpamericarecount.org/NewMexicoData/NewMexi...
http://www.flcv.com/bernalil.html
etc.

and also similar patterns in other states where the suppression and fraud did not change the election results including vote machine fraud in Calif., Pennsylvania, Washington, Texas, etc.
http://www.flcv.com/orangets.html
http://www.flcv.com/snohomis.html
http://www.flcv.com/mercerco.html
http://www.votersunite.org
etc.

(the voter suppression of minorities in Mercer County is the worst I've ever seen-followup needed)

The unethical and illegal actions were so systematic and widespread that this cannot be allowed to continue uninvestigated and unpunished. There was a huge amount of obvious malfeasance and dirty tricks that should be investigated and dealt with
http://www.flcv.com/dirtytrf.html
http://www.flcv.com/EIRSFla2.html
http://northnet.org/minstrel/alpage.htm
http://www.votersunite.org
http://www.freepress.org departments

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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:45 PM
Response to Reply #102
103. OK berniew1
I take it based on the package you fropped of that you ar a believer.

thanks for the presents and the presence!

I believe!

NGU

HOW LONG CAN THEY HIDE IT?
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #102
106. Thanks, berniew1! Keep it coming.
Have you connected with velvetrevolution.us yet?

They need to have your stuff, if they don't already.

:yourock:
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Democrat Dragon Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:51 PM
Response to Original message
104. I BELIVE!
The truth will come out one day. The truth that Bush did not win. And this truth be the ultimate smear agaisnt Bush co. and even freepers will be angry (or simply be in denial).

BUT...

I heard on September 12, 2001 there was supposed to be a MSM report proving that Gore won. But everyone knows why it wasn't released.

Could it happen again?

:tinfoilhat:
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #104
105. If I remember right
the media did finish counting and they said Gore won.There was no big announcement and you would not hear it on MSM,but that is what I heard and I am sure someone could find a link to it in no time flat.

I believe!

NGU
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KerryReallyWon Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #105
108. The report the Gore won was released on Sept. 12, 2001 and was
buried in the newspaper in a tiny little two sentence blip, in teh St. Petersburg Times in Fla! No matter how they reported it, even if it was a splash, no one would have been receptive. It was the day after 9/11....that is why is was released in fla on that day. Sinister.
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:56 PM
Response to Original message
107. I believe
and hope we can work together to bring about election reform.

NGU
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:42 AM
Response to Reply #107
114. Hey sparky!
that sounds good and I think wound two is getting rolling as we speak.

NGU

HOW LONG CAN THEY HIDE IT?
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 09:18 PM
Response to Original message
109. Time for another ..............


Damn the chickens, full speed ahead!!

NGU
I believe.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #109
110. That's a wonderful thing, bunny!
Edited on Mon Jan-10-05 09:23 PM by Patsy Stone
Thanks for posting that. After all of the "art" I've viewed this evening, I think I like this best.

Well, okay, almost. :)

NGU
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:07 AM
Response to Original message
115. "Even the smallest person can change the world." Galadriel to Frodo.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:29 AM
Response to Original message
116. I BELIEVE!
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 10:29 AM by McCamy Taylor
From "Easter 1916" by W B Yeats



"I number him in the song;

He, too, has resigned his part

In the casual comedy;

He, too, has been changed in his turn,

Transformed utterly:

A terrible beauty is born."


"Hearts with one purpose alone

Through summer and winter seem

Enchanted to a stone

To trouble the living stream...


Too long a sacrifice

Can make a stone of the heart.

O when may it suffice?

That is Heaven's part, our part

To murmur name upon name,

As a mother names her child

When sleep at last has come..."
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:43 AM
Response to Reply #116
118. I believe
we can change the world! we already have done so much.

DU is full of a diverse and intelligent people ,that with all of the different talents here are capable of bringing down this administration.It will happen.

How long can the hide it? It is starting to unravel.

DGU
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #118
119. what a brilliant poster you are.Brilliant
Geez I hate talking to myself but sometimes you have to.LOL

I believe!

NGU
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #119
120. I'll talk to you, KTH!
:D

I'll tell you that I BELIEVE!

Had to dig to the bottom of the third page, but I found it; ya can't keep belief down! :D
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:04 PM
Response to Reply #120
130. thanks how sweet n/t
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #119
126. I believe
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 06:26 PM by sparky_in_ma
the above poster was brilliant. Except for the minor spelling, syntax, and punctuation errors. A perfect post. Hi kth :toast:

NGU

edited for spelling. : )
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #126
131. why thank you ,I think?
Is that the Pot calling the kettle black or what?LOL
Glad you caught my joke it would have been pretty embeariskin if nobody knew it was a joke.LOL

I believe.

NGU
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 06:31 PM
Response to Reply #119
128. Hi KTH
I have a question for you...
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:13 PM
Response to Reply #128
133. Dare I ask sieto?
:scared:



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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #133
136. I'll give you the first word :-)
WHAT
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #136
137. what,ok?
:think:
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #137
139. Number two...
Are
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:08 PM
Response to Reply #139
140. Ohhh, Ohhhh
I know, I know :dunce:
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #140
141. Ready...
They
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #141
143. what are they ,OK?
my computer is a little slow,really it is not me.
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:37 PM
Response to Reply #143
144. HIDING???
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #144
147. What are the hiding?
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 08:42 PM by keepthemhonest
and how long can they hide it?

Nevermind Sparky he copied my answer,teacher.
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:38 PM
Response to Reply #143
145. hiding.
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 08:38 PM by sparky_in_ma
and how long can they hide it.

NGU :)
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:38 PM
Response to Reply #140
146. oh sure always teachers pet
:bounce: I know teacher,me me me,i know.LOL
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #118
125. Hey, KTH:
How long CAN they hide it?

:hi:
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:15 PM
Response to Reply #125
134. Hey Bleever
Thanks

Not Long,I say,Not Long at All

The truth will come out,justice will be served.

NGU
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #116
121. Wow
I love Yeats. Makes me shivery. Thanks for this. :)
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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:49 PM
Response to Original message
122. I'm here
And I believe.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #122
123. Welcome to DU!
Never Give Up.

:hi:
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Pendulum Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #122
124. I'm here now too...
and I've BELIEVED except for a few sad hours in the wee hours of Nov 2.

:hi:

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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #124
127. Welcome Pendulum
:hi: I love newbies that honor "I Believe" with their first post.

I Believe



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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:21 PM
Response to Reply #127
142. Me too
:grouphug: to all newbies in the thread!

(My first post was a dorky rant in an F-bomb thread in the lounge or GD. Oh, well...this lovely haven of believers was not yet available when I joined.)

:hi:
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denese Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #127
212. I still believe
It was an "I believe" thread that inspired my first post :party:
For the record, I still believe.
Every day I believe more.
denese
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #124
129. Hi Pendulum
Welcome to DU. :toast:
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:17 PM
Response to Reply #124
135. Wow
Pendulum,i am with seito on that one.thanks for posting and come back again soon. :hi:

I believe!

NGU
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Pendulum Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #135
138. Thanks
for the welcome seito, sparky, and KTH! I've been lurking for quite a few weeks now, and I just couldn't think of a better place to start than the "I Believe" thread.

See you around...

and DU - all of you -

:headbang: :yourock: :headbang:
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:11 PM
Response to Original message
132. I believe we have a lot of power to change things
B-)
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #132
148. nighty night
to all the believers out in whosville.

Horton will here us if just one more who would join in.(so lurkers this is your chance to join and be heard by Horton.)

I believe,justice will be served.

NGU
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 09:30 AM
Response to Original message
149. I Believe
That this thread needed a kick! Good Morning. I still believe! NGU.
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #149
150. I Believe
Both Sparky and KTH get an 'A' for correctly identifying the question of the day.

"What are they hiding and how long can they hide it?"



I BELIEVE

NNNGU
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #150
153. I won I won
thank you seito :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

What is my prize, do I get to pick another President?

NGU

I believe!
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 02:03 PM
Response to Original message
151. I believe
that 50 believers have chimed in on this page so far (one or two might have been nonbelievers, I wasn't sure).

50 BELIEVERS.

That may not be a lot in the grand scheme of things, but given the slings and arrows we have to dodge, I think it's a pretty impressive show of belief for our little "room."

Thank you all for continuing to believe and for kicking this thread. Some days it's the only positive thing I read, and I always check for it when I'm about to give in and give up and go home. As long as I can still see it, as long as "that star-spangled banner yet waves," I continue to believe in the land of the free and the home of the brave.

:grouphug:
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 02:06 PM
Response to Original message
152. What, ya think I'm crazy? Of Course I believe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #152
154. but of course! MadisonProgessive we never doubted ya!
Way to go Der bleu Angel,Good post.

I believe!
NGU
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 07:07 PM
Response to Reply #154
157. Thanks, Keep!
I think I'll pop in here with a little belief every time I see something ungainly stumble into the forum. That way every negative will automatically earn a positive.

:)
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Rebecca Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:20 PM
Response to Original message
155. Indeed......I believe
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #155
156. Hi rebecca
welcome to DU!! :hi:

Yipee hooray!

NGU

I believe!
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #155
158. Welcome Rebecca
You are in good company here :toast:

I BELIEVE
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 07:41 PM
Response to Original message
159. I believe that things ARE going to unravel for Bush.
Did you know that the search is now over for WMD's?

And in Louisiana a National Guard Unit chose to honor six of their fallen soldiers by having a public ceremony, when the flag-draped coffins were carried from the plane...and this was against Pentagon wishes.

I believe more and more of us will be standing up against this administration. I believe in the power of democracy.

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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 08:29 PM
Response to Original message
160. anyone believ'n?
i believe.

NGU
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LiberalCompassionate Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #160
161. I'll never beleaving
but forever believing!!

Rep. Chris Smith (R-NJ) was not only kicked from chairing the veterans affairs committee but was also removed from the committee because he wouldn't accept gutting veteran benefits.

Veteran groups are outraged! He has a proven track record for over 24 years for fighting for veterans. This move not only alienated the countrys powerful veterans organizations but also 26 million veterans and their families.

The tide is turnin'!

I believe!

NGU
:bounce:
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #161
162. Good One :)
I have the popcorn ready.

The implosion :nuke: of the Republican Party will be a sight to behold.

I BELIEVE
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LiberalCompassionate Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 09:03 PM
Response to Reply #162
165. a truly
rapturously moment!

:nuke:


I believe
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 09:00 PM
Response to Original message
163. I'm still believen
It's only a matter of time. Notice how finally today, the WH has decided, whoops never mind, no WMD's. Stop looking. :grr:
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #163
164. Sparky
There were some folks looking for you at Keef time. Let's just say it was mighty suspicious, you not being around at that particular time. :eyes:

I BELIEVE
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #164
166. Hmmm.....
I've never been seen at the same time as John Kerry either. There has never been a picture of the two of us together. If anyone shows you a picture of the two of us together, I guarantee it's been photoshopped. :)
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 09:18 PM
Response to Reply #166
168. good answer
ok i hav go to go.i'll see you guys in a few days.

i be believin and tellin everyone what I am thinkin'

NGU
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #164
167. I know seito
I mean ,he says after the show is over,"i am here I had to work late "and no one is supposed to put their antennas up?
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #167
169. Was he adjusting his tie as he entered the room?
:)
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 10:46 PM
Response to Original message
170. I believe, the truth will set us free. Sooner rather than later.
NGU
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 10:51 PM
Response to Reply #170
171. Love the bunny artillery
brigade you did. :)
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 11:47 PM
Response to Reply #171
172. Psssssssst I Believe
Fellow DUers :yourock:
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 12:16 AM
Response to Reply #171
173. just for you , here it is again.......................

Damn the chickens, full speed ahead.

NGU
:hi:
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 12:21 AM
Response to Reply #171
174. I'm a Newbie, and
the bunny artillery is growin' on me. Full speed ahead.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 12:23 AM
Response to Reply #174
175. Never, EVER, misunderestimate bunny power.
Welcome to DU, LeahD!

:hi:
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 12:35 AM
Response to Reply #175
176. I believe
this is Welcome #4 from a DU-er. Thank you. I would never underestimate the power a bunny could have over a chicken.

:D
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 01:46 AM
Response to Reply #176
177. Chicken Hawk
Not just a chicken. :)

Shall I be #5 then? Welcome to DU. :hi:
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #177
195. Where is my
Edited on Thu Jan-13-05 09:30 PM by LeahD
dunce cap? :dunce:
If chicken = chicken hawk,
bunny = ???
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #195
200. Bunnies are an ancient symbol for fertility. I guess that means there are
more of us, than there are of them ( chickens or chickenhawks). Also, we've got big ears, so we hear everything!!!!
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #200
205. H-m-m-m...
it's really hard work when you have to hear everything....I've been busy playing catch up tonight, reading other threads.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 09:53 AM
Response to Reply #174
178. Welcome leahd
:hi:
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #178
196. Thank you, bunny planet.
A welcome is so, uh, welcoming!
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 10:15 AM
Response to Original message
179. I BELIEVE...
That William Blake is the greatest mind the west has ever produced!

from THE MARRIAGE OF HEAVEN AND HELL by William Blake

"Isaiah answered: 'I saw no God, nor heard any, in a finite organical perception; but my senses discovered the infinite in everything, and as I was then persuaded, & remain confirmed, that the voice of honest indignation is the voice of God, I cared not for consequences, but wrote.'

"Then I asked: 'Does a firm persuasion that a thing is so make it so?'

"He replied: "All poets believe that it does, & and in ages of imagination this firm persuasion removed mountains; but many are not capable of firm persuasion of anything.'"

O8)

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StephanieMarie Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 11:03 AM
Response to Original message
180. I believe * will eventually be exposed for the fraud that he is. n/t
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WeHoldTheseTruths Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 11:30 AM
Response to Original message
181. I believe . . .
. . . one thing they are hiding is THEIR FEAR.

They fear what we stand for.

:hi:

(Well, at least I got that little guy waving and saying hello to you all in my first post. Whew.)
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #181
182. Welcome to DU!! n/t
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #181
183. Welcome to DU, WeHoldTheseTruths!
:hi:

Glad you posted here first. You are correct about the fear. And the real question is, "How long can they hide it?"

NGU
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WeHoldTheseTruths Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #183
185. Thank you.
Sorry so slow. I was playing with the emoticons :-).

Ya know, I don't hate them. I hate what they are doing.

The tragedy is, they will probably hide the fear from themselves till the day they die; we already see it.

Thank you for the welcomes and the agreement, gkhouston and Patsy. It's good to be here. Good people doing good things -- even out in the more contentious threads :-) An oasis of sanity.

1:30 a.m. on this side of the planet, I'd best sleep . . . It's not like this was Jan. 6th or something.

See ya all around. Thanks again.

I BELIEVE (oh yes)

:hi:


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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #185
190. I Believe
It's OK to hate them. :) Welcome to DU all the way from Thailand. I take it you're alright (since you seem to have electricity and a phone line) that was a horrible disaster. Truly frightening.

Oh, and would you please pass the Pad Thai? :hi:
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 06:14 PM
Response to Reply #181
186. Welcome to DU WeHoldTheseTruths
:yourock:

I BELIEVE every Newbie that makes their first post in the "I Believe" thread should get a prize.

Here ya go:



I BELIEVE
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #181
187. Hi
Welcome to DU. :hi:
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #187
188. Shouldn't you be in make-up?
Look at the time :)
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 06:55 PM
Response to Reply #188
189. OMG. LOL.
I drop in to see who the last poster is and...

LMAO
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 07:00 PM
Response to Original message
191. I believe, bleev...
NGU.


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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 08:11 PM
Response to Reply #191
192. Aw gee...I just knew ya did...I just knew it.
:hi:
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jhain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 08:12 PM
Response to Original message
193. I have been believing a looong time...
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate
cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate,
violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a
descending spiral of destruction....The chain reaction of evil--hate
begetting hate, wars producing more wars--must be broken, or we shall
be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation."
-- Martin Luther
King, Jr.

--

Qui Tacet Consentit . . .

He who is silent is assumed to consent

NGU ( and my urethra is fine, thank you)
http://www.ashastd.org/stdfaqs/ngu.html#what
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 08:43 PM
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194. Sorry I don't believe that anything will ever get fixed in this country
Edited on Thu Jan-13-05 08:45 PM by demo dutch
unless the country wakes up, the MSM stops its brainwashing and people will march to Washington by the millions and demand change!
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 09:17 PM
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199. Somebody call the sheriff
Attempted abduction


You might want to mosey over here partner

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 12:46 PM
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210. No, I didn't think the Ohio protest would overturn the election, because
Edited on Fri Jan-14-05 12:51 PM by demo dutch
that was not the point. For me it was about "election fraud". I am pleased the way Kerry handled the whole thing. I think he will continue to be a rising star and fight for the people. I am grateful that Conyers, and Boxer did their thing, and will continue to so do with help of other legislators.
I am just so shocked that the general American public is so uninvolved and doesn't seem to give a rat's *** about what happened in Ohio and what's going on everyday with the Bush* administration! Yeah yeah the approval rates are down, big deal!!! Millions aren't marching! I didn't live in the US in the 60's but lived in Europe (where I grew up)and there were massive protests all the time against Vietnam etc.!
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ottozen Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 09:12 PM
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198. I Believe that this will raise eyebrows
"A VOTE FOR KERRY was A VOTE FOR BUSH"
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 10:21 PM
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202. Uhhhh....
have a nice day. :hi: Oops, I almost pulled the trigger, and would have been wrong. It's late. I believe in BBV areas, you are right. Took me a minute. :)

NGU
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 10:50 PM
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203. I do believe Diebold vote machines will remain in place in 2008
and that 2000 - 2004 will happen again in 2008 and Dems and repugs couldn't care less -- all that matters is the current state of the world oil problem.

US, oil production peaked in 2000, so expect many more thousands of US. sons & daughters to make the ultimate sacrifice for the almighty US. oil machine -- sad to say, we need the oil.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 05:13 AM
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209. Perhaps you haven't seen the big picture....
those currently in power need a crisis in order to intimidate the people. By working toward the goal of ensuring that the power of democracy endures we will be working toward reshuffling their pyramid one block at a time. Their world will be turned upside down!

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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 10:57 PM
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204. FANTASTIQUE!!
Never waver, never die!
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 11:29 PM
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206. I believe
that when Barbara Wa-wa interviewed Bush, she had him squirming in his chair.

I believe W is going to be squirming even more in the days ahead!
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 11:53 PM
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207. I'll second that.
:toast:
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imaginary girl Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 12:17 AM
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208. I'm here. I believe ...
I believe in the power of good people joining together in belief.

I believe that the American people will reject * once the fabric of false impressions has been torn.

I believe the fabric is tearing.

I can almost hear the riiiipppp.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:35 PM
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211. I believe
that with our help Kathy B. will go down. I also believe the unraveling is just beginning. http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=552

NGU

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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 03:18 PM
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213. I believe
that Blackwell will fold under pressure. He doesn't have Oliver North's composure under fire. (Remember the SNL skit with Shatner as "the mute Marine?" Ah, that was funny.)

Grab some popcorn, kiddies; it's going to be a seven-reel serial. First, we get to see the back-and-forth over whether the DOJ will actually appoint a prosecutor. That could happen if enough public pressure is brought to bear ("Why haven't they appointed a special prosecutor? What are they afraid they'll discover?") Then we get to watch some more back-and-fill maneuvering from our favorite song-and-dance man, complete with those inspiring and informative press releases from Carlo "no relation whatsoever to Baghdad Bob" LoParo. All of that before Blackwell even testifies.

And the actual testimony! All bets are off. I wouldn't be surprised if he's initially quite pompous and evasive, and then crumbles as he realizes that his bullshit excuses just aren't going to fly in this venue. He'll probably end up contradicting himself and try to shift most of the blame to others once he's been backed into a corner. By this point, he may well have convinced himself that he's an innocent/injured party, and he'll come across as a puppy trying to convince you that he really has no connection whatsoever to that large puddle in the living room. He's been *good* for the state of Ohio, really he has, and none of this was his idea, he was just following orders. He was an impressionable young girl... you get the idea. Man, a Blackwell "apology" would be a dead cert for the Countdown apology hall of fame... and I sure hope Prince Harry coughs up an "apology" before the 20th. I'd dearly love for KO to have an excuse to run the apology hall of fame, with the Nixon impeachment stuff, on Inauguration Day!

Gina
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 03:26 PM
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214. I believe
you are absolutely right and this is just getting good. Let's sit down and enjoy the show. Keef! Not.Hiding.Anything.

For KO: :loveya:
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 03:43 PM
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215. I believe
we owe this to Bleever for starting the "Keef, we are not hiding anything" thread and also for re-starting the "I believe" thread.

:loveya: :loveya:

Both threads have brightened some otherwise dismal days. Here's to you, bleev!


Gina

p.s. And while we're on a DU love-fest, thanks for hosting the nightly slumber party, Patsy. I usually don't get to pop in because of child-related interruptions, but I always read the thread afterwards and it's just a hoot. I sometimes read it during my lunch hour. Any doubts my officemate may have had about my sanity have disappeared.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 04:25 PM
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216. I believe
we are all insane! LOL. Come by anytime. We'll leave a light on for you. It will be shaped like this: :loveya:

Yes, bleever does deserve big props for that Keef thread (still a fun read), and for this one. :yourock:
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 10:09 PM
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217. I Believe
If this is insanity, I want no part of normal :crazy:

I will add a hearty toast to the Keef thread. :toast: You gotta laugh and you gotta dream.

DU Believers :yourock:

I BELIEVE
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 10:39 PM
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218. I believe
It's nice to come in here and bask in the positive glow. :toast:
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 11:18 PM
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219. I had a dream, that I heard on the News that * was stepping down in
disgrace, that Kerry was proven to be the winner of this election. It was so vivid and clear. I woke up and actually turned on the news to get more details on it...::sigh:: it had not happened (yet) But the dream was so real...Hope springs eternal. I really believe!
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 07:01 PM
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228. I believe I like the way you dream, DearAbby!
:toast:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #219
229. I Believe
You are not alone. :hi:

NGU
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 05:31 PM
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220. I believe
that all electronic voting machines should give a receipt, which you deposit in a lock box on exit. This gives people a chance to see that their vote was correct and makes a recount honest.
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 09:26 PM
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221. A true classic
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 01:25 PM
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222. I believe
that the believers and other DUers would like to know that a lawsuit was filed in NM on Friday regarding the recount. I posted the thread late last night, and it's sinking fast..."Advocates for Recount File New Lawsuit..." Anyone care to kick it? :kick:

I Believe that justice will prevail.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 01:41 PM
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223. I Believe there's been a strong surge of positive energy in the
days since the theft of the election.

New folks coming in, older members working harder than ever, all with a sense of purpose, community, and optimism that saving democracy, while it's *hard work*, is not only possible, but inevitable.

We're brewing up our own Perfect Storm. Thank you to everyone here!

:)
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #223
224. Thank you, Bleever, for this thread.
I believe there is a river of Chi flowing!
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clovis29 Donating Member (279 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 01:55 PM
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225. I believe so too
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 05:41 PM
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226. Welcome to DU clovis29
We stand at the dawn of the silent revolution.

Into this battle we bring our allies, truth and justice. The enemy brings lies and deceit. Guess who's gonna win.

*Hard Work* builds character.

I BELIEVE
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rigel99 Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 06:19 PM
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227. MORE GOOD NEWS From Georgia
I read your optimism with great interest.

You see, we have something much better in GA than ohio. We have the very detailed grounds for a comprehensive fraud argument. Events such as stolen Diebold equipment that makes a case for an 'invalidated election'. This weekend, We started a group of citizens sending Open Records request to Diebold, Cathy Cox / Sec. of State's office and Kennesaw State University who are the central 'ministry of information' and party to the ongoing / systemmatic outsourcing of our votes to Diebold.

We've started average / everyday citizens sending letters to ask the question, why can't I get access to this data? What are you hiding, Diebold, Cathy Cox, KSU , etc. YOU WON"T BELIEVE I'm having to fight my own democratic party, would not let us speak at a meetup on this issue.

It's got more than a few court clerks nervous and some county attorneys playing cover their you know what.... I wish I could share more, but look on www.countpaperballots.com this week for more info. There's more than enough data in Georgia to sink the Bush ship and take criminal proceedings with it....!! Keep up the faith, keep posting your I BELIEVE. Know that this one soldier has already lost her job proving that there is something fishy in this peach of state.. it's time to march on ALL our capitols and demand we retract every single solitary machine that has stolen our votes from us....

soon, soon enough superior court judges will help me shine light on the very very very fishy events of Georgia's elections.. patience and persistence.. it's a battle of tiny baby steps.. but done methodically, can catch them in the very act of covering up the fraud they so blatantly committed...

For those who want to help send an email to helpnow@countpaperballots.com there are letters that I will forward where all you have to do is sign them and mail them to the people in the letter..... it has to be a torrent of citizens asking WHY ! WHY ! WHY! It's time to hold people accountable.. it's time...
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 08:09 PM
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230. Thank you very much for your news.
May you feel in your heart the comaraderie and gratitude of the other people who find their way here! And all the great minds and hearts at DU.

:hi:
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 02:06 PM
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235. I Believe
in all the DUers who are working locally. Thank you for the Georgia news, rigel99. Perhaps you could post info re the letter campaign on a different thread too, with sample letters! We're with you!
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WeHoldTheseTruths Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:31 PM
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231. This thread far too long, can't accress it
Can it be continued in a fresh thread or something? Please!

(I won't likely be able to see a response, but will look for "I Believe 5 or the like.)

Peace.

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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 10:03 AM
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232. Kick it for Bleever and the Believers n/t
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 10:12 AM
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233. What Kerry should have believed:
"I belive progress is a value."
"I believe it doesn't matter if you get a tax cut and then lose your job."
"I believe abortions aren't a good thing, but I'd never presume to tell a woman what to do with her own body."
"I believe the most important family value is that you don't tell anyone else what their family should believe."
"I believe that the War on Terror can be won, that it doesn't have to go on indefinitely, and, most importantly, that our country is about far more than war."
"I believe that the American Dream can be possible for far more people without coming at the expense of anyone."

I wish my candidate would have said just one of these things.
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 07:44 PM
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242. I Believe you must be lost
Need a map?
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 10:37 AM
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234. I Believe that America Wants to Hear the Truth!
Edited on Mon Jan-17-05 10:38 AM by McCamy Taylor
Clinton and Kerry are good man, but they are being paternalist when they try to protect Americans from the truth.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 02:22 PM
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236. I believe
eventually, truth will prevail, people will see and understand.
And thank you all for helping.
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 05:06 PM
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237. I believe you're right n/t
:kick:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 05:16 PM
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238. I Believe
Edited on Mon Jan-17-05 05:53 PM by Patsy Stone
That this is only the beginning of our fight:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050117/ap...

I believe that you have to believe even if you don't know why you believe.

I was doing some surfing and I came across this interesting site: http://www.edge.org/questioncenter.html As you can see, the question for 2005 is: "What do you believe is true, even though you cannot prove it?" There are some fascinating theories, but I liked this one (I've snipped, but you can go read the whole thing yourself, if you so desire.):

RANDOLPH NESSE, M.D.
Psychiatrist, University of Michigan; Coauthor, Why We Get Sick

"I can't prove it, but I am pretty sure that people gain a selective advantage from believing in things they can't prove. I am dead serious about this. People who are sometimes consumed by false beliefs do better than those who insist on evidence before they believe and act. People who are sometimes swept away by emotions do better in life than those who calculate every move. These advantages have, I believe, shaped mental capacities for intense emotion and passionate beliefs because they give a selective advantage in certain situations."

"It is harder to explain the disadvantages suffered by people who lack a capacity for faith, but consider the outcomes for those who wait for proof before acting, compared to the those who act on confident conviction. The great things in life are done by people who go ahead when it seems senseless to others. Usually they fail, but sometimes they succeed."

I Believe. :hi:
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 05:31 PM
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239. I believe
you are right. And I think an e-mail blast is in order to let him know we will follow his lead.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 05:33 PM
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240. I Believe
you are absolutely correct.

:hi: Welcome to DU!
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #239
241. Hi kster
Welcome to DU :hi:
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #238
243. Brilliant.
Then indecision brings its own delays,
And days are lost lamenting over lost days.
Are you in earnest? Seize this very minute;
What you can do, or dream you can do, begin it;
Boldness has genius, power and magic in it.

--Goethe, "Faust"
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 08:45 PM
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244. I believe
it was fun watching Condi get rattled by Sen. Boxer. :spank:
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 08:46 PM
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245. I Believe
:kick:

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Mister Ed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 09:03 PM
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246. I believe we will drag the truth out into the daylight for everyone to see
I believe that it will be the stake in the heart of this monster that is devouring our democracy.

I believe that justice will be done, and soon.

I believe that there will be no schoolchild a year from now, a decade from now, a century from now who does not know the story of the Stolen Elections of 2000 - 2004.

I believe I'll have a little sip of Scotch and go to bed now.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 09:39 PM
Response to Reply #246
249. Welcome to DU Mr. Ed.
I believe you're in the right place! And this from the horse's mouth.

:hi:
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super simian Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 09:14 PM
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247. Worst moment for me...
...as a believer was Kerry banter prior to his questions to Condi Rice today (great questions!). The banter concerned that he was back there in the Senate and he said "too bad that I did not get enough votes." Or something along those lines... not an exact quote.

CORRECTION, John, you got enough votes. They just weren't counted.

Great questions, appreciate his intelligence and debate skills, awesome, but he lost me there. Does he really care about the SCALE of the disenfranchisement that occurred on 11/2/2004? If so, how can he say that he did not get enough votes?

John. You got the votes. Get a clue. Any more votes from super simian in your future? Doubtful.

:shrug:
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 12:57 AM
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250. I think he believes that
But as he has said repeatedly, he has not yet been able to find enough evidence to prove it.

We all know he won. We all know there was fraud. But for him to even suggest that in the Senate today would have been total suicide, undermining all the good he was able to do by raking Condi over the coals.

So you're saying that if someone is defrauded and can't prove it and thus plays by the rules he never deserves your vote again even though he's doing good by you otherwise?

Methinks he doesn't need super simian's fickle vote.

:hi:
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super simian Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 09:15 AM
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252. How dare you call me fickle?
That is uncalled for. You don't know the first thing about me.
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 02:29 PM
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259. Wow...chill
I apologize. Ouch!
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super simian Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 02:53 PM
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260. Apology accepted.
:hi:
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 09:22 PM
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248. Kick!
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 01:11 AM
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251. After today
I believe even more. I bet JK was an outstanding prosecutor, and well, Barbara Boxer's last name suits her!

:kick:
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 12:52 PM
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253. I believe!!!
Do you?!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 12:55 PM
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254. More than ever.



BE THE BUSH OPPOSITION; 24/7
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 01:12 PM
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257. I Believe,
beyond a shadow of a doubt, that I stand with what is right and fair and just. I am so proud to stand with each and every one of you.

Together, we are going to change history.

I am so proud to be a Democrat. I expect great things from Senators Kerry and Boxer. I believe that they will continue to be thorns in the side of this administration. With our help, their numbers will grow until we have a true opposition party.

In the past two months, we have seen the fruits of our labors in the hands of real American patriots. I want to honor the Congressional Democrats that stood on Nov 6th for Democracy. These individuals carry the torch. It may flicker and dim, but as long as we provide the fuel, the torch will never go out.

WE ARE THE OPPOSITION. WE ARE AMERICA. As long as we continue to believe, we will effect change. First you visualize, then you achieve.

I BELIEVE

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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 01:07 PM
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255. I believe.
I believe John Kerry is the true patriot and statesman I have always felt him to be. I believe that today is only the beginning of his fighting hard for us in the Senate and for democracy.

I believe that the * crime family will eventually be exposed and fall from their stolen postitions of power. I believe that we must work together with all of our hearts and souls to make it happen.

I believe.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 01:12 PM
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256. I believe!!!
And I think John Kerry and Barbara Boxer are true patriots.




The other dems are f'ckin cowards. :mad: :mad: :mad: :nuke:
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 01:59 PM
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258. YEs I agree
it looks like they did well.Bravo.

I believe.NGU
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 04:11 PM
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261. I see Belief changing reality
Anyone else? I'm getting a really good feeling. I believe more today than I did the day before. Change is happening. Wheels are moving. I see cracks in the spackling.

THEY ARE GOING DOWN and we are making it happen. I firmly believe this!

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Catamount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 05:07 PM
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262. I believe
I agree with you, especially after the courage shown by Boxer and Kerry
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 05:20 PM
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263. I Believe
President Kerry and Senator Boxer have our backs.


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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 10:31 AM
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264. Maybe I'll be wrong
but I believe this inauguration could be very interesting.

i believe justice will be served.
NGU
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 09:27 AM
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265. I believe
with each passing day, the cracks in *'s mask grow larger. The amount of security and the number of protestors present yesterday show that his control of the situation is slipping. I, too, believe justice will be served. The mills of the Gods...

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