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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:09 PM
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A teeny fact--that may suggest organized fraud
During Bush's presidential campaign--he didn't make one Ohio stop from Oct 2-20th. He was AWOL from the state. During this critical time, Kerry was slowly gaining ground in the polls; and was ahead in one poll by 5 points.

Bush's Ohio absence makes no sense. Ohio was critical. Even the media suggested that, "Maybe Bush had given up on Ohio."

Bush's actions seem to indicate that he knew Ohio was his--even though the polls indicated otherwise. Why waste precious time and money campaigning in a state that you know you'll win through fraudulent means? His absence makes perfect sense when you consider fraud.

During that time in October, Bush was predominately campaigning in the swing states of Iowa, Minn, Mich and Wisc. Gee--what a great strategy. Pre-plan to steal Ohio, so you can hyper focus on other very-close swing states.

Maybe I'm smoking my socks, but I thought Bush's absence from Ohio--during that long stretch of critical time--spoke volumes.
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Florida_Geek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:11 PM
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1. Nobody here thinks you are "smoking" anything
Ohio just does not add up without fraud.
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hilster Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:44 PM
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12. No kidding
I vote in Ohio.
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Florida_Geek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:00 PM
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21. Welcome to DU
:toast:
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super simian Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:20 AM
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40. Tell me Condi didn't really say that!!! n/t
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:11 PM
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2. It was being pondered by many at the time, here and in the "press".
The obvious answer is, of course, "he knew he had it in the bag".
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:12 PM
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4. I recall that, too -- v-e-r-y suspicious n/t
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:12 PM
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3. ALL the errors were in Bush's favor
It's as simple as that. Nothing else is needed to prove fraud. The law of probability can't be broken without tampering.







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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:12 PM
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5. Thus, my repeated "When Did Bush Know?" ;-) (n/t)
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KatieB Donating Member (431 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:13 PM
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6. Cheny flew to Ohio election day--I think I read he met with Blackwell but
not sure
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bemis12 Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:13 PM
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7. All through September
Bush had been showing a fairly significant lead in Ohio. That depressed me, and it didn't look like we had a chance there at that time. I expect he thought the same.'

See the polls for yourself. They were REAL BAD in September.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/oh_pol...
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Ronbrynaert Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:08 PM
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18. A theory
The reason why Bush was so ahead in September were because of a normal post-convention bounce and the anniversary of 9/11 (which were tied together despicably). The debates brought everyone back to reality.

I think there's something in this bush absence from ohio...it warrants further investigation.
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oldtime dfl_er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:15 PM
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8. This may have been the time period when the fraud was being put in place
and it wouldn't have behooved him to have been in the state at the time. Kinda like Michael Corleone being in church when all the major whacks were going down.



www.cafepress.com/showtheworld
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:27 PM
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9. Don't be smoking your socks Two Sparkles!
:smoke: It may be habit forming! Actually, I remember the media saying that Bus* must have "given up" on Ohio... and to bolster your claim, in 2000, he smugly informed the press that he KNEW he'd won Florida...no one else knew-but he sure the hell did!
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mousie Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:30 PM
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10. I had the EXACT same thought
as soon as we realized something funny happened in Ohio. No wonder Bush didn't spend his time on that state... which SHOULD have been an IMPORTANT one to him. He didn't need to, and he KNEW it! YES, you're right... it SAYS a LOT!
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:39 PM
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11. He knew
the sad part is we may never know. And if Blackwell doesn't go to jail (he'd probably be the first of many), something is really wrong in this country. Well, we already know something is really wrong, but could they be any more blatant about it?
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:47 PM
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13. Bush flew to OH after he voted in Crawford,TX on election day
We must find out more about who he met with and where. The media story was that he was going to OH to thank the volunteers in the field.
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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:02 PM
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16. In the last couple of days of the campaign, Bush was taking it easy,
speaking in a few vacation ballrooms for totally scripted photo ops, never breaking a sweat, and on election night I remember the smug look on his face as he loafed on a couch watching the "returns."

Kerry meanwhile was belting away at outdoor rallies in freezing rain in Wisconson. I remember wondering why Bush was so damned lazy when the race was so close. Now I know.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:49 PM
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14. bush's balls...are in your hands
the mediawhore is the problem....bushinc is buying time...each hour that goes by w/out indictments is one less hour of worry for bushinc and their mediawhores. Why even talk about ohio, or the '04 election, or even 911 or the '00 election? the bushmedia luvit....buying time going blah blah blah... 2003 turned into '04 turned now into '05 and we arguing exit polls? When bushinc sent 140000 troops to iraq's borders before the UN gave bush a 'mandate' for war they in effect BLACKMAILED THE US CONGRESS, PEOPLE and tried blackmailing the UN itself, and it was done in the open, reported and discussed endlessly on tv and so on....the American people were BLACKMAILED by their own government because if the troops had not been used the US look stupid, as in embarassing stupid....and even freepers can see that! The mediawhores are going to lie outright about everything because if bushinc is nailed, they will get nailed too- it was the mediawhores that carefully spun the Iraq war bs w/out coming near saying the word BLACKMAIL.
Anyone thinks that an asshollo gonzalez can be seriouly considered as att'n general by the US people has drunk the koolaid that cnn, 'fox'news etc serves up...gonzalez is a hideous pinochet type pig...cannot people see that very few outside of the mediawhore world can possibly put up with the lies about the phony creep?...the USA was publicly BLACKMAILED and it seems no one sees it? It's an issue that should be hammered away with at every chance....blackmail is instantly understandable as bad...real bad.... and bush can't deny it
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:02 PM
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15. One other possible scenario...
He couldn't find Ohio on the map. :shrug:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:06 PM
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23. lol! My husband says "he can't find the earth on a globe."
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:26 PM
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25. Earth, Ohio, WMD's...
and probably always walks around saying, "Did you see where I put down my drink?"
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Catamount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:03 PM
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17. At some point around then, cnn said democratic registrations had gone ...
Edited on Sat Jan-08-05 08:11 PM by Catamount
up by over 200 %in OHIO, but I never heard anything more about it!
Was I smoking socks too?
Or does someone else remember this too?
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:39 PM
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20. Here is an article about that
Edited on Sat Jan-08-05 08:41 PM by Carolab
http://www.newhousenews.com/archive/smyth101104.html

There was also coverage of how Blackwell was tossing out new Democratic registrations left and right.

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2004/3145jim_crow_ohio...
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rdmccur Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:10 PM
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19. Sounds like a very credible
argument!
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euler Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:04 PM
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22. It may suggest fraud. it may suggest...
Edited on Sat Jan-08-05 09:07 PM by euler
confidence. It may suggest that he thought Ohio could be handled by his wife, daughters, parents and Cheney (all of which were campaigning there during the time frame in question.) It may suggest a dozen other things as well.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:07 PM
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24. I believe you twosparkles but what is your source for his sched?
Because if we use it, we have to point to something.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 11:24 PM
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26. The source of Bush's schedule
On the Oct 24, 2004 "This Week" program, George Stephanopoulos made the comment about Bush's schedule. He observed that Bush had not been in Ohio from Oct 2-20, and then asked the panel, "Has President Bush given up on Ohio."

I don't have a transcript, but I'll see what I can track down.

:)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 11:32 PM
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27. Awesome. 'Way to put the pieces together! n/t
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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 11:48 PM
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28. I remember some pundit mentioning in October
Everytime Bush went to Ohio, he sank in polls there.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 12:00 AM
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30. Jeebers, your post hit me like a ton of bricks!
I remember that, too, thinking to myself that he's avoiding Ohio because he's somehow jinxing himself every time he visits.

In response to the poster who said he was being cool the last couple of days and taking it easy, I remember bush as being very very uneasy. That's about the time he said civil unions were okay, and he was "at peace" with the idea of losing. He looked ill on election morning, kind of green around the gills.
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Hey Nineteen Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 12:29 AM
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36. Very true but later in the day...
Edited on Sun Jan-09-05 12:35 AM by Hey Nineteen
as the returns were just beginning to trickle in, he was all smiles. As if somebody (e.g. ROVE) had told him to relax, the fix was in.

It seems like there was a BBC story about this that I saw awhile ago. Anybody have a link? I think somebody told Rove that the exit poll data wasn't looking good for Bush, and Rove said, well that doesn't match the numbers I have...
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 12:35 AM
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37. Bush went to WATERLOO, Ohio the day after the last Debate.
I remember because he clearly lost the debates, and I found it ironic that he went "to his Waterloo" the day after.

Does anyone know anything about Waterloo, Ohio? It appears to be in Lawrence Co. But other than that, I don't know much about it. It MIGHT have some ties to his "dealings" on "the Fix" for Ohio votes...or may not. Just a thought. (NYT don't quote me on it!)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 12:36 AM
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38. Can you date that? n/t
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anaxarchos Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 12:51 AM
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39. Waterloo, Iowa not Ohio on October 26... sorry.
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anaxarchos Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 11:55 PM
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29. The reason he wasn't in Ohio is because he had already lost Ohio.

Take a look at the L.A. Times Poll of the battleground states (Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania) on October 27th. If you look at the Ohio section, not only is Bush 6 points down but the key indicators are devastating. He is 12 points down among previous voters! The L.A. Times has him losing Ohio, winning Florida, and neck and neck in Pennsylvania. The survey section on Ohio is both very comprehensive and virtually unrecoverable. That is why he hit Mich., Minn., Wisc., etc. because he had to make up for a dead loss with a wild card attempt in blue territory.

http://www.latimes.com/media/acrobat/2004-10/14837171.p...

In many ways the immediate pre- and post-election polls are more devastating than the exit polls.
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icehenge Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 02:59 AM
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41. Thanks
Thanks for posting that. I'm sure it will
prove to be good reading :)
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 12:02 AM
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31. WHAT
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 12:02 AM
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32. ARE
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 12:02 AM
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33. THEY
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 12:03 AM
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34. HIDING?
NGU.


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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 12:24 AM
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35. HIDING THE TRUTH
IS EASIER THAN TELLING IT!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 07:56 AM
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42. Absolutely tootley!
:)
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WiseFawn Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 09:01 AM
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43. Break in was in October time period, wasn't it?
There was a break in at a Democractic Ohio headquarters? And I've been trying to figure out how to prove Bush met with Blackwell on his unexpected stop in Ohio.

Does anyone have links about the Lucas County Board of Election workers that were fired? This is all I have found. I'm thinking Lucas County might be where the breakin was, but I'm trying to dig through my links to find it.


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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 09:55 AM
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44. I'm setting up a betting pool...
.... on how long it will take for an "infiltrator" to post some lame-assed scenario or excuse that puts this point to rest.

:evilgrin:
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WiseFawn Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:07 AM
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45. Illegal Election events in Ohio during Bush's absence
Article published Tuesday, October 12, 2004

Lucas County Democratic headquarters burglarized

"The Lucas County Democratic Headquarters was burglarized overnight, and three computers, including the partys main system, were stolen."

~http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/2...


Board awaits state followup



By ERIN MILLER

"In a letter dated Oct. 21, Ken Nuss, former deputy director of the Auglaize County Board of Elections, claimed that Joe McGinnis, a former employee of Election Systems and Software (ES&S), the company that provides the voting system in Auglaize County, was on the main computer that is used to create the ballot and compile election results, which would go against election protocol. Nuss claimed in the letter that McGinnis was allowed to use the computer the weekend of Oct. 16.

Nuss, who resigned from his job Oct. 21 after being suspended for a day, was responsible for overseeing the computerized programming of election software, according to his job description. His resignation is effective Nov. 11.

The letter also included allegations that Burklo released a sheet from a petition packet filed by Auglaize County Common Pleas Judge Frederick Pepple last December."

~http://www.theeveningleader.com/articles/2004/11/06/new...



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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:10 AM
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46. I am in OH and I remember that time and it seems like they said
visiting OH actually hurt Bush's numbers and that is why they stayed away. I do know that Bush surrogates were making unpublicized visits to OH newspapers. People like Card and Snow.
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FULL_METAL_HAT Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:19 AM
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47. If this thread is still hot enough, want to help compile a timeline?
If not I'll post a new thread

It's very useful to compile this kind of info to look for new patterns. I want to state plainly that this effort "will not change the outcome of the election"(tm), and it "will not lead to k00ky k0nspiracy theories about Sumatra Tsunamis"(tm)...

That disclaimed...

I've found on the JK website what looks like a complete record from July 10th, 2004 to the election

August 27 to November 2

http://www.johnkerry.com/ontheroad/archive.html

"Believe in America tour" Friday July 30 to Friday August 13

http://www.johnkerry.com/ontheroad/081304_road.html

July 10 to 28
http://www.johnkerry.com/ontheroad/071004_road.html

Anybody want to find and post info on **'s campaign stops?

After the bulk of the data is collected I'll make a pretty-as-a-picture breakdown and timeline.

If someone finds a complete list PLEASE tell us!! :)

Another Day, Another $2B Dollars in debt
FULL_METAL_HAT
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FULL_METAL_HAT Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:20 AM
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48. July 2004 Thread
Post all July 2004 campaign stops as replies here :)
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FULL_METAL_HAT Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:28 AM
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53. July 10 - Kerry - Raleigh NC
From: http://www.johnkerry.com/ontheroad/071004_road.html

The Kerry-Edwards ticket brought their four-day barnstorming tour to a close in John Edwards home state of North Carolina -- before an audience of more than 25,000. The newly minted Democratic ticket shared with an energized crowd at North Carolina State University their optimistic plan to restore hope at home and respect in the world.

Since John Kerry chose John Edwards as his running mate, enthusiasm for the ticket has spread across the country and within Edwards home state.

Together, we are going to fight for the America that we love, Kerry said. Well be fighting for good paying jobs that let American families actually get ahead and an America where the middle class is doing better, not being squeezed.

In their remarks, Kerry and Edwards spoke to the heart of Americas values hope and optimism. After three-and-a-half years of an administration that has squandered our leadership abroad and done nothing to lift up middle-class families at home, the Democrats said America can do better and that we do not have to be satisfied with a record of skyrocketing costs, lower paying jobs and shredded alliances in the world.

John Kerry and I believe our countrys best days are ahead of us, and that theres nothing America cant do if we just put our minds to it, Edwards said. And with your help, were going to win this election, were going to make America stronger and were going to create respect for America all around the world.
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FULL_METAL_HAT Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:29 AM
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54. July 15 - Kerry - Philadelphia PA
John Kerry addressed the 95th annual NAACP convention and kicked off an election long effort to take his vision to front porches across America. At both events, Kerry pledged to make us stronger at home by standing up for our values, expanding the middle class and growing opportunity for all Americans.

I will be a President who talks with everyone those who agree with me and those who dont, Kerry said. I will be a President who truly is a uniter, not one who seeks to divide our nation by race, riches or any other label. I will be a President who shares the values of people of all colors who get up and go to work every day, try to raise their families in dignity and want to leave this world a better place for their children. I will be a President who when he is invited into your home, will always say yes.

Kerrys NAACP speech came hours before he and his running mate John Edwards kicked off their campaign long Front Porch Tour: Hometown Values for a Stronger America. Over the next four months, Kerry and Edwards will visit front porches across America, speaking with families and neighbors about their plan to restore responsible leadership in Washington and help middle-class families get ahead.
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FULL_METAL_HAT Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:30 AM
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55. July 16 - Kerry - Washington DC
Addressing the 2004 American Federation of Teachers National Convention, John Kerry highlighted his plan to build a stronger America by strengthening our commitment to education and giving every child the opportunity to succeed. Kerrys plan will put new resources into our schools and take the next steps to finish the job of education reform, so that more students receive the education they need to get good jobs and get ahead in life.

We can make America stronger by making a new commitment to our schools and our children, Kerry said. They dont need a politicians praise. They need a President who values a good education as the gateway to a good job, a better life and the best America. And if you send me to the White House, thats exactly the kind of President well have. George Bush promised to leave no child behind and to end the soft bigotry of low expectations. Yet, he has failed to give our schools the resources they need (underfunding his own plan by $27 billion) and implemented No Child Left Behind (NCLB) with a top-down, Washington-knows-best attitude that hurts students.

Today, almost one-third of our high school students do not graduate high school, and more and more students are priced out and not attending college despite the fact that a college degree is more important than ever.

In the classroom, teachers all too often do not get paid or treated like professionals, and do not get rewards for success.
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FULL_METAL_HAT Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:30 AM
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56. July 22 - Kerry - Detroit MI
Speaking at the 2004 National Urban League Conference, John Kerry Thursday highlighted the Kerry-Edwards plan to strengthen communities and extend opportunity to neighborhoods across America. The plan will make our metropolitan areas stronger by honoring American values like opportunity and responsibility, growing the middle class and helping all families achieve the American Dream.

When I look around this city when I look around neighborhoods and towns and cities across this nation, I see what so many of you see every day, Kerry said. We see jobs to be created. We see families to house. We see violence to stop. We see children to teach and children to care for. We see too many people without health care.

The Kerry-Edwards Opportunity Agenda will bring good jobs to communities across America and strengthen communities by making them more safe and secure.
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FULL_METAL_HAT Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:31 AM
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57. July 23 - Kerry - Aurora CO
Surrounded by their families, John Kerry and John Edwards kicked off their journey to the Democratic National Convention in John Kerry's birthplace. Born at an Army hospital here, Kerry learned the value of service from his father (see photo), who volunteered to serve during WWII and was stationed here in 1943. John Kerry's mother was widely recognized for her community activism and service, including starting a recycling program in the 1970s long before such things were common. She supported the Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts for more than 50 years and volunteered at Massachusetts General Hospital. The values that John Kerry learned from his parents are the values that John Kerry and John Edwards will fight for in the White House.
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FULL_METAL_HAT Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:32 AM
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58. July 24 - Kerry - Sioux City Iowa
While John Edwards visited with families at a rally in Milwaukee, WI, John Kerry held a rally in Sioux City, IA -- a stop on explorers Lewis and Clarks journey west (see photo). The explorers overcame adversity and participated in one of American historys greatest expeditions.

That spirit of hope and optimism that defines America has always kept Americans moving looking toward the next horizon and reaching for the next dream, Kerry said. Two-hundred years ago, its what kept Lewis and Clark moving westward after they buried their companion, Sergeant Charles Floyd, here in Sioux City. Today, its what keeps can-do American heroes always finding hope on the other side of hardship; always believing in a better tomorrow.

In his remarks, Kerry recalled people he met while campaigning in Iowa, people whose optimism can be seen every day when they go to work, raise their families and play by the rules despite challenges they face in life.

I have met people like this all over our country, Kerry said. They believe in the American dream, but it is always just beyond their reach. They live by American values, but they think its time we had a government that lives by those values too.
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FULL_METAL_HAT Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:32 AM
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59. July 25 - Kerry - Columbus Ohio
John Kerry stopped in Columbus as part of his journey to the Democratic National Convention in Boston.

In the 1860s, Ohio had the largest railroad system in the nation, linking Ohio to a growing nation and world. But now, that promise of opportunity has been undermined by shipping not just the products we make but our very jobs overseas.

Speaking with a family and their neighbors in Columbus, Kerry discussed the Kerry-Edwards plan to help middle-class families and create new and better jobs in America that will once again give American workers the opportunity to succeed.
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FULL_METAL_HAT Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:33 AM
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60. July 26 - Kerry - Cape Canaveral Florida
John Kerry and John Edwards continued to blaze America's Freedom Trail into Boston and the Democratic National Convention with separate campaign stops in cities that symbolize America's commitment to science, innovation and technology - Cape Canaveral, FL (see photo with John Glenn), home of the Kennedy Space Center, and Raleigh, NC, part of North Carolina's Research Triangle.

America has always been about planning for the future by finding new solutions and better ways of doing things. We have launched men into space and pushed the boundaries of science and innovation. Capturing this spirit, Kerry and Edwards talked about how we can apply these same lessons to strengthening America by making health care affordable and accessible for all Americans - a key component of the Kerry-Edwards plan for America's future.
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FULL_METAL_HAT Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:34 AM
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61. July 27 - Kerry - Norfolk Virginia
John Kerry continued to blaze Americas Freedom Trail to the Democratic National Convention with a campaign event in Norfolk, Va., focused on the strong leadership of John Kerry and John Edwards and their plan to build a stronger, more secure America.

Norfolk is home to a Navy base and symbolic of Kerrys service to this country and his plan to build a stronger, more secure America. Kerry was joined in Norfolk by Vice Admiral Lee Gunn, Skip Barker (a fellow Vietnam veteran and Swift boat captain) and other veterans.

Kerry traveled to from Norfolk to Philadelphia in the afternoon. Celebrating the city that was key to our nations early freedom and strength, Kerry was welcomed by a huge after-work crowd on the steps of the citys art museum a location made famous in the Rocky movies.
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FULL_METAL_HAT Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:34 AM
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62. July 28 - Kerry - Boston, Mass
John Kerry Wednesday completed his six-day journey along Americas Freedom Trail to Boston, where 13 former crewmates and Vietnam veterans were waiting at the airport to join him at an arrival celebration at the Charlestown Navy Yard.
Were here at the end of a journey that began where I was born - in Colorado - and ends where America was born - in Boston, Kerry said. In these days leading up to our convention, John Edwards and I have blazed Americas Freedom Trail, meeting with people in town halls, city squares, front porches across this land to share our vision for an America stronger at home and more respected in the world.
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FULL_METAL_HAT Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:37 AM
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63. July 30 - Kerry - Boston MA, Scranton PA, Harrisburg PA
Edited on Sun Jan-09-05 10:42 AM by FULL_METAL_HAT
From: http://www.johnkerry.com/ontheroad/073004_road.html

Friday, July 30, 2004
Kicking-off the general election campaign and the final push in their fight to build a stronger America, John Kerry and John Edwards will embark on the cross-country Believe in America tour on their first trip as the official Democratic nominees Friday.
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FULL_METAL_HAT Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:39 AM
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64. July 31 - Kerry - Pennsylvania, West Virginia and Ohio
http://www.johnkerry.com/ontheroad/073104_road.html

3:15 PM - Greensburg, Pennsylvania

6:45 PM - Wheeling, West Virginia

9:30 PM - Zanesville, Ohio
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FULL_METAL_HAT Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:22 AM
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49. August 2004 Thread
Post all August 2004 campaign stops as replies here :)
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FULL_METAL_HAT Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:46 AM
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67. August 1 - Kerry - Taylor MI, Bowling Green, OH
8:15 PM - Taylor, Michigan
In Taylor, Michigan, 5,000 people came out to see John Kerry in a union softball game. He joined Downriver Fire (IAFF) as they took on the Detroit Hotrods (UAW). Kerry played second base and went 2 for 2 with 2 singles scoring 2 runs.

6:05 PM - Bowling Green, Ohio
North Main Street in Bowling Green was transformed into a Kerry-Edwards rally this afternoon. This area has leaned Republican in past elections but the 17,000 people who came to the rally didn't seem to care. Cheering loudly for John Glenn, John Kerry, and John Edwards, they committed to carrying ohio for Kerry-Edwards in November.


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FULL_METAL_HAT Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:50 AM
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68. August 2 - Kerry - Flint MI, Grand Rapids MI, Milwaukee WI
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FULL_METAL_HAT Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:53 AM
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69. August 3 - Kerry - Beloit WI, Monroe WI, Dubuque, IA
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FULL_METAL_HAT Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:23 AM
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50. September 2004 Thread
Post all September 2004 campaign stops as replies here :)
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FULL_METAL_HAT Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:24 AM
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51. October 2004 Thread
Post all October 2004 campaign stops as replies here :)
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FULL_METAL_HAT Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:25 AM
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52. November 2004 Thread
Post all November 2004 campaign stops as replies here :)
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:42 AM
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65. Bush was suppose to wait for the election results in Crawford, TX
But he abruptly decided to fly to Ohio for a brief stop, and then back to Washington to await the results in the White House. The media was very puzzled at why he made such an abrupt change in plans.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:55 AM
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70. I'd like to know more about that Ohio stop...
Does anyone know in which Ohio city * stopped?

What is known about this Ohio stop?

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In Truth We Trust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:45 AM
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66. there are so many reason's/facts that massive fraWd happened but one simpl
e fact is so arrogantly telling! That is that Chimpy's campaign appearances were by "invitation" only. What bs! Who would be so arrogant to implement such a policy when you have supposedly the closest race (50-50)in recent history. Or so say's the paid off media.
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dogindia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:27 AM
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71. kick.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:44 AM
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72. Looks suspicious to me. nt
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nmoliver Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:58 AM
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73. every time * visited Ohio, his poll #s went down
What I read at the time was that every time * visited Ohio, his poll numbers went down. His handlers decided to quit while they were ahead.

Who knows, perhaps that reason was an excuse for the other one, that he knew he had the state in the bag regardless.

I wondered for weeks what Kerry was doing spending all that money campaigning in Florida, when we all knew Jeb would deliver it to * regardless of how many votes either candidate got.
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burn the bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 12:20 PM
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74. yes, didn't he meet with the R gov that day and didn't come back to ohio
til election day when he according to blackwell, didn't meet with blackwell in columbus?
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:55 PM
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75. I highly suspect you're right, but we can' take it to the bank.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:17 PM
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76. Can someone explain some things to me????
In this thread, many people are remembering that Bush's people claimed that he stayed away from Ohio because his appearances there caused his polls to go south.

I also remember hearing this.

Question. If every time Bush entered Ohio, people grew to like him less and less...then how in the hell did he even win the state???

We're supposed to believe that Bush carried a state that grew to dislike him the more they saw him? WTF?

Even though Kerry led in many Ohio polls (one poll had Kerry up by 5 in Ohio), we're supposed to believe the candidate who won--was a guy who lost support when he entered the state. If Ohioans grew to dislike Bush the more they saw him--wouldn't his national appearances, ads, other media coverage--negatively affect his Ohio numbers as well?

Furthermore---If Bush's handlers thought that the President was losing support when he made campaign stops there--why did they organize a major-blowout rally with Arnold in Ohio, during the last days of the campaign?

There are so many contradictions here--and stuff that defies common sense.

And another thing. Most of Bush's campaign appearances were talks with small, fiercely loyal audiences. Remember the fascist loyalty oaths? Are we supposed to believe that 300 die-hard Bush followers suddenly disliked him after his speeches--so much so that polls across the entire state plummeted? One appearance in Dayton made the entire state sink?

And yet, he won Ohio.

I don't know what all of this means. I just know it doesn't make sense to me.
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