SCHWARZENEGGER IN 2008?

[stella2cat]

I think I’ll be massively flamed on this, but I’d like to present the idea anyway, especially after hearing the rumor about Jeb in 2008.

Can we really expect that election reform will happen in the next 4 years? I’m hopeful, and will continue to work for it, but as long as the control for federal elections is at the state level and congress is controlled by the republicans, I think we’ll continue to see the same shenanigans over and over. What state will we be challenging in 2008? Pennsylvania? Michigan? If we can’t get true reform and accountability, I don’t think it will matter which candidate the democrats put forward, we’ll get screwed again.

A co-worker and I (we’re both longtime dems) were discussing our governor Arnold Schwarzenegger yesterday and confessed to each other that we had voted for him and were both surprised and impressed by his state of the state address. He almost appears to be a democrat misplaced in the republican party. He’s light years away from the current administration and seems to be an honorable man.

Now here’s my question. If they could pass the legislation allowing a foreign-born citizen to be elected, could you possibly support Arnold as a presidential candidate? Or another republican that isn’t joined at the hip with the current regime?

I’d like to hear any thoughts on this

[New Earth]

1. uuuummmmmmmmmmm

no.

[elepet]

3. NO WAY

[Sparkly]

2. That

would be a "NO."

[bahrbearian]

4. Ahhaaaaaaaaahahahaha

[xultar]

5. No to any foreign-born citizen until a Black Citizen and a Woman Citizen

are elected.

Why do we have to go outside the country to find people to step in above those of us who have fought for the right to vote for this country?

I DON'T GET THIS SHIT!

[BenZona]

26. Huh?

Arnold is a repuke and they will never amend the constitution, but why are you using race and sex? What does that have to do with anything?

[mattclearing]

6. You are right about Arnold and about it being flamebait.

Ultimately, the fact that he is a Republican and supports their party platform keeps me from approving of Arnold, or of acknowledging the wisdom of voting for him.

However, he is probably the most progressive Republican out there right now, and stands to the left of several of our senators.

[bobweaver]

7. I don't see anything progressive about Schwarzenegger, he's pro-business

[Liberty Belle]

10. See www.arnoldwatch.org and www.standingupforcalifornia.com

To find out what Arnold really stands for. You won't like it.

[genieroze]

11. He stands to the left of Lieberman, sheesh but I still would rather see

a black or a woman first. How about Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones, a black women.

[KittyWampus]

12. Arnold Met With Ken Lay Before The Recall Effort... Now WHY Would He

do that?

[mattclearing]

21. Not arguing with any of you.

All I'm saying is that Arnold, as unfortunate as he is, is moderate by Republican standards. He is pro-choice. He is fiscally conservative. Those are two distinguishing characteristics of Democrats, some of whom have jettisoned for Republican-lite territory.

Of course, his being a misogynistic, bait and switch, double-talking, Bush-supporting, numbnuts displays defining Republican traits that Arnold shares in.

[yurbud]

23. Should be every candidates opening line

Why did Arnold meet with the thieves who stole billions of our money and turned out our lights?

The democrats have to grow some balls on this or they will be crushed by him.

[bobweaver]

8. I would love to see Arnold run in 2008 - for the border, that is.

[Liberty Belle]

9. Never. His proposals in the State of the State are terrible!

You need to educate yourself about what his proposals really mean--
gutting public education, harming the poor and retirees, gerrymandering CA to create more Republican Congressional and Legislative districts, to name just a few.'

Check out these sites: www.arnoldwatch.org
www.standingupforcalifornia.com (or .org, I forget which)

[stella2cat]

32. thanks Liberty Belle, I'll look at those

I didn't interpret his speech as such and I'm certainly not convinced that he'd be an ideal president. Using his name in the headline was mainly to get attention. I truly think we need a plan B if we can't get the election process cleaned up.

[troubleinwinter]

13. I'm a Californian, and NONONONONONONONONONONO. NO.

Edited to add: Are you fucking KIDDING?!?!

[aquart]

14. Legislation?

I am sorry that a "long-time dem" is so incredibly fucking ignorant of our governmental processes.

The constitution would have to be amended. Which is NOT "legislation."

Now go look it up.

[noamnety]

15. We need more presidents with Nazi ties!

Kurt Waldheim could be VP!

On second thought, this doesn't seem like the best plan.

[mousie]

18. NOPE... NO WAY! n/t

[seito]

16. Are you kidding?

Really, you have got to be kidding...

[Blue_In_AK]

17. No. n/t

[sally343434]

19. You're not fooling me

> A co-worker and I (we’re both longtime dems) were discussing our
> governor Arnold Schwarzenegger yesterday and confessed to each
> other that we had voted for him

Sorry, but I think you're lying. Democrats don't vote for the likes of Herr Gropenator.

> and were both surprised and impressed by his state of the state address.

The address I heard was hardly impressive. The only surprising thing about it was that there weren't screams of "Sieg Heil!"

> He’s light years away from the current administration and seems to be an honorable man.

No, he's a trojan horse. He's dismantling the social support structure of California as fast as he can. Intellectually, he's an empty suit. And honorable men don't conspire with Kenneth Lay to rip off Californians, or think of women as mere sex objects to be fondled and otherwise abused.

155 posts.

[SmokingJacket]

20. He's not Bush.

That's the best thing about him.

That's not good enough for me, though.

In general I don't think children should be blamed for the sins of their parents, but I'm going to make an exception for Arnold. I don't think we can have the son of a Nazi as our president. And no offense to body builders, but having a president whose claim to fame was body building is just embarrassing. If he were a brilliant politician, great humanitarian, and a genius, it would be different. Frankly, he's never seemed like much more than a body builder to me.

I hate the way having a famous name suddenly qualifies you for everything in this country. What, you're an internationally famous model? Here's a record deal, a children's book contract, a part in a sitcom, your own cooking show, and aren't you running for senator?

[SharonRB]

22. I don't think I could support him,

unless we had a terrible candidate. However, if the law were to be changed (and that is a huge IF), and if he were to win, I would not be totally miserable and would not hate him. I, too, sometimes wonder what he's doing in the Republican party.

[NV Whino]

24. Over my dead body!

Besides they couldn't get the legislation through in time.

[yurbud]

25. Arnold screws college students to keep taxes low on rich

access to CSUs and UCs is limited, and tuition has shot up.

We used to have the best state university system in the country. Now Arnold is dragging us by the hair to Mississippi.

[BenZona]

27. Pass legislation?

They don't have to "pass legislation," but amend the constitution, which is a big deal.

[demosincebirth]

28. Pleeeeeazzze!

[greatauntoftriplets]

29. I'd write in Attila the Hun first.

That's the same response I had to the people some months ago who suggested John McCain (another repuke) as Kerry's running mate.

The Democratic party for which I have voted these many years is NOT repuke lite.

[Helga Scow Stern]

30. Conyers just introduced a bill calling for eligibility of 20-yr.

citizenship to run for presidency. Does this affect the Gropinator?

http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/foreignbornint...

[stella2cat]

31. is there another 'moderate' repug

we could support as a back-up plan? My real point here is that if we can't clean up the election process we're stuck with more of the same

[RadiDem]

33. YES ! ARNIE in 2008 ! We MUST run him !!!!!! >

I am 100% convinced that if a pro life candidate runs on the REPUG ticket, that the Radical Clerics will run their own candidate from their own party. This would split off 25% + of the Repug vote, and in doing so will insure Demo victory. Even a schlub like Kerry could win.

I'm thinking of starting a Robertson 08 campaign soon.

[Last Lemming]

34. A reactionary

in sheeps clothing--the same people who brought us BushCo brought us Bush-Light--do you think that recall campaign in California was put into place because "the people" wanted a change "regardless of the outcome" No Fixers I don't know what else to call them) wanted their man--Schwatz--And what is Schwartz going to do first? Redraw all the congressional districts to get the Democrat's out of state politics--if he can't do it through the legislature (good bet) he will "do it through the people"--another referendum

Wonder what kind of machines they will be using

These guys wouldn't have gone through all that trouble with Davis if they didn't know for sure the fix was in--too expensive and risky to leave it up to the voters--better to take care of it off the books

I don't know but I think the sainted Warren Buffett is tied up in all this too--his name comes up too often--and I know his fund was losing money in the late 90s--

Just speculation

[Moderator]

35. Locking

Du is not a forum to promote the candidacy of any Republican for office.