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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:43 AM
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Report on machine fraud in Snohomish County WA-get this report out!
Edited on Sat Jan-08-05 09:47 AM by Amaryllis
http://www.votersunite.org/info/SnohomishElectionFraudI...

This needs to be broadcast all over as Rossi is demanding a revote.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:51 AM
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1. kick
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:55 AM
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2. From Columbus Ohio
I knew it just wasn't in Ohio. Nationwide the # make no sense.
Repug machines give votes to repugs.
End of story
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:59 AM
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3. nation wide......they did it in texas and new mexico
they did it in nevada and colorado. florida iowa penn for sure.

i am thinking they padded from new york and calif

and many other states too
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:07 AM
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4. Seabeyond
Any bets on if the "liberal media" will cover these stories?

I still have that sick picture in my brain of bush laughing as the
polls were showing him getting his ass kicked but the vote was
starting to pour in nationwide highly in his favor.

Of course this is just the tip of the iceberg.

A proud member of the Boxer Rebellion.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:10 AM
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8. i had the feeling about 5 in the evening it shifted from kerry
when i saw bush and his family in the yellow room, and the oddity of that interview and saw bush face i knew it was over and he had stolen it. told a friend who was visiting, it is done, he stole it. had the sickest feeling in stomach

i think it will come out over time. short time. not history a decade from now, but within the next year. this stuff takes time to leak out and get evidence and prove. i think tere is a lot more that will come out too. what happens to media, no i dont think they will show squat. i have watched news all channels obsessively for decades. now i turned off, in oct and havent turned on again. i think the news forum is now internet. i dont think tv has news any longer.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:24 AM
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12. Seabeyond
Yes,

I was working for Kerry and we were smoking bush in Ohio. But somehow the repugs
kept saying in the face of all the evidence to the contrary that bush would carry the
state. How? They cheated.

As per the media the pay off of Armstrong Williams should tell you that manipulation
of the media is SOP. Do you really think that he is the only one one the repug/big
money tit. Bill Moyers (now maybe Obermann) was one of the few who were news people not shouters, spinners, or fat lazy & chicken.

A little of what I saw in Ohio....

http://www.thousandreasons.org/opinion/010505.html

:tinfoilhat:
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 09:34 AM
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39. here in fla pinellas as well!!
i was a poll watcher for early vote, and the general..and i can assure you in early vote for 2 weeks..what i saw ..there was no way * won here..but the numbers have * winning pinellas the heal of the I-4 corridor * supposedly won by 200+ votes..nonsense!! and i really worry folks about this early vote..it only gives the * admin more tine to play with the numbers, has anyone thought about that??
i had two kerry ny lawyers come into one of the places i was doing early vote..they wispered to me that "someone inside" said kerry was creaming * ..that the lawyers said was by absentee and early vote...so how did it only change election day?? we had soooo many vote early all the big long lines were during early vote..our lines on election day were not near as long or bad as they were for early vote..
but ido remember something very weird that happened in st . petersburg during the primary on aug 31st, a good dem here who was registering voters went to the soe office in st. pete on a saturday afternoon , during early vote for the primaries, he had a bunch of registrations to turn in, well when he got to soe office, the door was open..not wide open but unlocked, with no one there..evidently the office was closed and no employees were there..but no one had locked the doors...with voting machines and absentee ballots all in the offices...this was a period of live primary , for senate..amd state stuff...

the guy who found it open called police and stayed until the police locked the soe office...and he called me and the kerry field rep at the time...

i said that day..this is a test..they are testing leaving the doors open so changes in machines can take place.....
i know i know this all sounds eye spy..but seriously , i really felt it was a test ..on a saturday..with all night sat urday to get into the soe offices and all day sunday...where no one would know anyone was in there...i felt sick...and yes it was in st pete times...i told the guy to call the newspaper..

but i will assure you i worked as a pollwatcher in 4 different places during early vote, and another place altogether during general...
i saw without a doubt in early vote no less than 8 out of ten and 9 out of ten people voting for kerry..and that was with 3 hour lines to vote almost daily for atleast the last 5 days of early vote and definitely on the weekends of early vote..

how do i know they were voting kerry you ask...i didnt need exit polls while sitting inside and watching the vote process, or walking outside by the lines....see we had no rules during early vote of giving out voting materials, or staying back the 50 feet..there were no rules ( i assure you there will be next time) but there were none this first time of early vote......therefore kerrys team was giving out fans with kerry edwards, and kerry edwards t shirts, and buttons , and water bottles...
i saw with my own eyes the people who were excited they got kerry tshirts and buttons..and fans..and when i tell you 8 to 9 out of ten in early vote were voting kerry!!
now general election there were 50 ft rules in place..but during a break i sat out where the kerry kids were handing out water bottles for people waiting..i saw people who were voting * turn their nose up at the water and make nasty comments about not drinking kerry paid for water..and i sawmany more happily accept water and make comments about one more day...the ones that took the water far out numbered the * voters...many many young people were voting,i was so proud of them, and they were vocal, they didnt understand the rules of no talking while inside , and they were cheering each other saying no more bush,..in fact many had to be told not to say what they were saying inside the voting room..i was giddy with delight at how many young were there to take our country back...

no one will ever ever ever ever convince me * won my I-4 area...there were so few * signs or any campaigning..and we had huge kerry workforce here...huge!! and more volunteers than we could even use...but we did..

my husband drove voters to the polls...all day election day, and a couple other days for early vote, everyone i knew i had driving voters..we had people going and helping seniors do absentee ballots , and hand delivering them we had teams here doing that..i never saw anyone from the * campaign doing that..nowhere!!

but my concerns lay with early vote..this gives a party in power..no matter what party...this is not partisan...this gives too much time to manipulate votes...they can see what the numbers are ahead , and changes can be made...especially in partisan areas...hell our head soe lady ..her husband sold the sequoia machines to the county, and she was the deciding factor ..her husband made the commission...and gee he could have had the tabulator codes couldn't he have...and a soe office in primary was left open on a saturday afternoon..leaving full access to anyone who would have wanted to get into the offices with no detection??

no this early vote in my mind is a fool proof way to steal votes...
fly
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:16 AM
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42. I live in Pinellas too
and don't believe for a minute that the moron beat Kerry here. I voted early because I had been waiting almost four years to vote against that bastard again and couldn't wait anymore. I really think the Republicans would have stolen votes with or without early voting based on poll numbers (real ones, not the crap Gallup put out). I went door to door for in my neighborhood and there were some jerks that were pro-Bush (mostly living on the water). My temper gave up from having to deal with these greedy jerks with their gas guzzling lifestyles and I quit before I punched someone.

I think Kerry won in Pinellas by a large margin.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:36 AM
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43. ohh i am certain of it..not a doubt...
and please don't measure all who live on the water..i do and i was kerry delegate!! and many of my neighbors were all kerry too..not all on the water are greedy!! we care..many of us care for those without the water!! if you get what i mean!! i care alot about those in inner city...and minorities...my husband is minority and so is my son!!

fly
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 04:17 PM
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45. I am sure that sane people live on the water too...
you for example, but in my neighborhood there are some real Bush loving jerks along the shoreline.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 07:39 PM
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51. How do you stand it? I get so mad...it is not good for me to be so mad.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 09:35 AM
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40. oh i was a poll watcher at large , i could work all polling places! n/t
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BanzaiBonnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:57 PM
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16. I'm from Washington state
and, except for the fact that we'd have to pony up $4 million for a new election... as long as we conduct it on paper ballots, I'd say go ahead and revote. Rossi shows himself to be a whiner. There was nothing wrong with the election that can't be "fixed" next time.

With a switched vote here
and a switched vote there
here vote there a vote
everywhere a switched vote


I hate that the bar for conduct in politics just keeps getting lower and lower.



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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:26 PM
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20. Paper ballots and hand count! No machines counting votes. That's the first
Edited on Sat Jan-08-05 07:39 PM by Amaryllis
place they go to rig it.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 09:06 PM
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52. Artificial mandate
By padding the vote nation wide, shrub claims to win the popular vote & attempts to avoid scrutiny. We're not falling for any part of their lie. :grr:
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waz_nc Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:08 AM
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5. kick
It's a long paper, but it seems like they have a natural experiment in which they were able to rule out most alternative explanations for the observed differences. Consequently this seems to provide much stronger evidence of e-voting fraud than things like the UC Berkeley paper on the effects of e-voting in Florida.

Bill
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:14 PM
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26. Thanks from the author
Of course I'm biased as one of the co-authors, but if you want to see real evidence and a strong argument for election fraud, read this paper. I won't make a dime off of it, it's free. All I ask is for YOUR time to read it. There is an executive summary, but there is much more in the paper and it is tied together in the paper.
Land Shark
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:14 AM
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37. Have you sent it to Conyers?
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 07:35 PM
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50. Is it getting into the hands of people in a position to use it against
Edited on Sun Jan-09-05 07:35 PM by Amaryllis
Rossi getting a revote? Or to use it to force paper ballots if he does get one?
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:09 AM
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6. This article is astounding, and probably the first of many to come
in that it provides a template for other researchers.

Snip

"The chances that 2/3 of the vote would show a Democrat lead of 97044 to 95288 votes, while the remaining 1/3 of the vote on touch sreens would show a Republican lead of almost 5% .. as a result of voters randomly choosing to vote by paper ballot or by touch screen is about 1 in 1 trillion, a true impossibility."

That's just the tip of this iceburg!

Thanks for the post. The article is linked on the 2004 Election Fraud and Irregularity Headlines page, where link contributions are always welcomed.
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3 DanO Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 11:02 AM
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15. I'm looking for the truth, not sensationalist articles
And the truth is that voters were NOT chosen at random to vote on paper or touch screens. The choice was made at the county level and probably influenced by the economic demographics of the counties. Is the shift greater than the expected influence of other factors? Did the study even consider other factors? If that's a quote from the article I don't want to waist my time reading it.

There may have been machine fraud in this election. The Repukes certainly have not pulled any punches in other areas. But it's also possible that the Rove machine is setting us up to cry wolf so they can use the rigged machines in a future election.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:00 PM
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17. U want truth? Try reading it before throwing mud at it. Get facts first!
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:29 PM
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21. Not sensational article . It's a scientific study; 25 page PDF. It is
Edited on Sat Jan-08-05 07:33 PM by Amaryllis
always a challenge for me to come up with a thread title that will get attention and still accurately describe the topic.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:20 PM
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27. to answer your question
the paper takes a comprehensive look at possible counter-explanations, like a huge Democratic absentee voter drive, a huge Republican GOTV effort, etc.

None of these hypothetical political excuses for the discrepancy can explain why voting machines that failed contained 50% more votes for teh Republican Rossi on them, or why even though Rossi's countywide margin was less than 5% improvement over absentees, in the 58 out of 148 polling location for which we located reports of vote switching or screen freezing phenemonena, those polling locations vote 11% higher than absentee voters do for the same precincts, on average.

So I ask: How does Democratic absentee voting or Republican GOTV affect machines that break down or show the Republican box checked when Democratic is pressed?
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 11:07 PM
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32. Read the study. It is the best one I've seen yet.
The most interesting aspects of it are the graphs on page 13 and 14. There two normal distributions - one representing paper and one for Sequoia machines - which appear to be simply shifted a few percent. The distributions are a probability diagram for the chance that a given precinct will have x% of the vote for Kerry. The part of the curve that represents proKerry districts shifts roughly the same percent as the part of the curve that represents proBush districts.

There is also historical data on page 8 or 9 which shows the trend for absentee vs election-day voting. In the early years, absentee voting favored republicans in election after election; since 2002 when the Sequoias were installed it's the election-day voting that favors republicans in election after election.

Since I found a 10% consistent shift in Bush votes for the 4 Florida counties that use Sequoia when comparing 2000 to 2004, and have had a hypothesis that 5% skimming occurred, this study is another piece of evidence supporting that same hypothesis based on data of a completely different dimension.
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DwightVW Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 06:22 PM
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46. seems like a valid study to me
I think what the author is comparing is votes within a county. In Snohomish County, all absentee votes are done on paper, and all polling place votes are done on the DRE machines with no paper trail.

At first I share your concern because I thought different parts of the county had different types of voting machines, making demographic differences a factor. This is not the case here.

The author addresses and dismisses the possibility of absentee voters being more likely to vote Democrat.

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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:40 PM
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23. Thanks for that linkl! I am fairly new and didn't know about that page.
Wno posts the links? Anyone?
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rdmccur Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 11:04 PM
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31. Along with a myriad of other absurd
improbablities documented in Ohio, Florida, NM, and NC which all worked in favor of Bush. This election was a joke!
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:09 AM
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7. THIS COULD BE THE SMOKING GUN!
Please, all you folks that understand math get on top of this. What strikes me is that there are paper ballots to compare to, which have not been present anywhere else.

There is no such thing a perfect crime.

Somebody who knows how, please send to Truth is all.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:19 AM
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10. This is a giant bonfire! n/t
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:17 AM
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9. thanks, will do! Great BBV stuff n/t
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mimitabby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:21 AM
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11. i sent it to Robert Jamison at the Seattle PI
i also sent it to Rep McDermott's office. (the lady who answered the phone didn't know anything about it)
I just alluded to it in a LTE that i just wrote
I sent it to all of my friends.
what else should i do.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:33 AM
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14. Repeat the same study in another WA County! or elsewhere n/t
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weeve Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 06:45 PM
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47. Yakima county
I believe that Yakima County was the only other Washington county using the DRE machines. Ripe for a similar analysis, methinks !
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:30 PM
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22. Don't know what else to do. Just what you did. Spread it all over the
Edited on Sat Jan-08-05 07:42 PM by Amaryllis
web, send to as many people as you can. Do you have any voting rights groups in WA? This is important to get out if Rossi gets his way.
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weeve Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 06:53 PM
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48. Sen. Murray , Sen. Cantwell
I mentioned this www.votersunite.org study to both Senators' Seattle offices when I called on Fri. to register my GREAT disappointment at their actions Thurs. ( Cantwell voted NO on the Ohio challenge, Patty Murray's clerk said Patty was still here in the State , so didn't vote ). (Guess it didn't seem important enough.) I additional urged them both to get on top of this Election fraud issue RIGHT AWAY ! If Rossi is unable to steal the Governors race , I have no doubt he'll run against Cantwell in the next Senate election, and do his best to steal that one too. That's what they do. So Cantwell would seem particularly ripe for involvement in this issue ( her background was with Real Networks , so she's got the tech know how ). Let's get this study to them , and/or urge them to co-sponser whatever the Senate version of Jesse Jackson Jr.s bill ! Strike while the iron is hot !!
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 10:25 PM
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62. Murray is a two faced liar
I contacted her months ago about the potential of election fraud -- and she wrote me a letter telling me that she was aware of the problem and working on it. She is a liar.

She is a GOP-light. She is NOT a democrat.



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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:24 AM
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13. In 2003
February 2003, Everett, Washington If there was any doubt that Republicans were right to ask for a recount of some Snohomish County absentee ballots from November's general election, it was erased by one sobering number: 21.5 percent of the ballots cast in 28 selected precincts were not counted. The Snohomish County Auditor's Office recounted 116,837 absentee ballots Thursday after county officials discovered that the optical scan ballot-counting machines had miscounted.

Keeps on keeps on every year.. doesn't it
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:28 PM
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18. kick for awareness
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icehenge Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:59 PM
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25. Good infomation - kick
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:52 PM
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19. Who was it yesterday, that said there was no evidence?
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:42 PM
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24. You mean who said no evidence of fraud in WA?
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sharman Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:13 PM
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28. My pathetic computer can't handle the PDF
So two questions:

1) Does the article calculate how many extra votes Rossi got, assuming the absentee ballots gave a truer picture?

2) Why doesn't some canvas some of those precincts? Canvas every single voter in a few selected precincts, and see how these results measure up against the official tallies. Given the suspicious precincts in this mostly paper ballot state are relatively few, this could add real important evidence to either debunk or strengthen the suspicion of fraud.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:29 PM
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29. Here is preliminary analysis of report not in PDF:
Got this from someone I know from Alliance for Democracy. It is a preliminary analysis by Lehto, one of the authors of the report.

Preliminary Analysis of Electronic Voting at Penny Creek Elem. School,
Snohomish County, Washington State: Rossi Does Twice as Well As Gregoire on Touch Screen Voting as on Paper Absentee and Provisional Ballots

Question: Based on the data presented below for the five precincts located at Penny Creek Elementary School in Snohomish County, Washington, why do Republicans do so much better on the electronic touch screen voting machines compared to both absentee and provisional ballots?

Snohomish County residents, like all Washington state residents, cast three different types of ballots: Electronic, absentee, and provisional ballots. Both provisional and absentee ballots are reported by the Snohomish County auditor as "absentee ballots" on its canvassing reports, and I confirmed with Elections Dept. staff that "election day" ballot totals consist solely of electronic balloting on Sequoia, Inc. voting
systems, and not of any absentee ballots, even if dropped off at the actual precincts. Because Snohomish County has all Sequoia touch screen voting systems for use only on election day, and all absentee or "early" voting along with provisional balloting is handled via optical scanning of paper ballots, the two methods of tabulating vote totals are on distinct lines in the final canvass report, and we can isolate from the canvassing reports vote totals produced by touch screen methods versus vote totals produced by optical scanning of paper ballots.

(Note: While this paper examines differences in 5 precincts at one
particular voting location and finds substantial differences in the touch screen voting, it does not follow that optical scanning of absentee ballots is foolproof, primarily because the central tabulation of those ballots is done on a single computer, so only one computer needs to be defective or altered to alter the result of the election substantially).

On Election Day, I was a volunteer attorney at the Penny Creek Elementary School, and my understanding was that it contained precincts that trended Democratic. During the day there, I observed provisional balloting rates of very close to 10% of the electronic ballots cast that day, and there were also 144 absentee ballots dropped off at the polling location. This means that in addition to the "election day" touch screen totals, there were about 91 provisional ballots from Election day and 144 absentee
ballots from election day that were nevertheless reported as "absentee" ballots, and not as "election day" ballots, which consist solely of the touch screen electronic ballots. Thus, "paper ballots" subject to optical scan tabulation computers scanned close to a total of 235 paper ballots from Election day. (I say "close" because the provisional poll book number of signatures did not match the number of provisional ballots, so there is some uncertainty as to the exact number of provisional ballots). Thus, the total at Penny Creek Elementary School was close to 922 votes, based on the
above 235 absentee and provisional ballots plus 687 votes recorded on the touch screen systems there, of which there were six.


With these totals in mind, we look at the results of the Presidential and Gubernatorial elections for the years 2000 and 2004: Note: when the term "absentees" is used below with regard to figures from official canvassing reports, it means BOTH absentee votes and provisional votes, regardless of where or when received, so long as postmarked by election day.

PRESIDENT: (Summary: Gore wins in 2000 817 to 748, but Bush wins 2004 over Kerry by a margin of 1060 versus 980).

In the five precincts located at Penny Creek Elementary School, Kerry is listed as having obtained 980 votes (versus 817 for Gore in 2000), split between 655 "absentees" and 325 Election Day votes. Meanwhile, Bush is listed as having received 1060 votes (versus only 748 in 2000), split between 702 absentees and 358 Election day votes. Put another way, Bush edged Kerry by 7.18% in the absentees, while Bush also edged Kerry by around the same amount or 10.15% in the election day voting. However,
Bush's improving over 2000 is more dramatic: Despite heavy turnout, the democratic presidential candidate managed only an increase from 817 votes to only 980 votes, an increase of 163 votes or 19.9% over 2000 performance, while the same Republican presidential candidate (Bush) went from 748 votes all the way up to 1060, an increase of 312 votes, or an increase of 41.7% compared to the last non-electronic voting presidential election PLUS a change in the overall winner in these five precincts.



GOVERNOR: (Summary: Locke beats Carlson 911 to 691, while Gregoire
actually gets fewer votes than Locke at 878 and Rossi skyrockets to 1116 votes). Moreover, there is a large difference between canvassing totals for "absentees" and canvassing totals for Election Day electronic votes.

In the same five precincts located at Penny Creek Elementary School in
Snohomish County, Washington, Democratic gubernatorial candidate Christine Gregoire is listed as having obtained 878 votes (versus 911 for Locke in 2000), split between 599 absentees and 279 Election Day votes, meaning Democrat Gregoire got 33 FEWER votes than Democrat Locke despite heavy turnout, for a performance of - 3.8%. Meanwhile, Republican gubernatorial candidate Dino Rossi is listed as having received 1116 votes (versus only 691 for Carlson in 2000), split between 726 absentees and 390 Election day votes, an increase of 425 votes for the Republican gubernatorial candidate, an increase of 38.1% over 2000 Republican gubernatorial performance. Put another way, Rossi's total exceeded Gregoire's by 21.20% in the absentees, but almost doubled that margin to exceed Gregoire by 39.78% in the election day (electronic only) voting.

In these precincts trending Democratic and still very tight when a Democrat
runs against a heavily entrenched incumbent Republican (like the
Cantwell/Sen. Gorton matchup) the Republican gubernatorial candidate in an open seat is walking away with a landslide 425 extra votes representing a 38.1% increase while the Democrats actually Lose votes for Governor relative to 2000, both percentage wise and on an absolute number of votes level.

ANALYSIS: Obvious errors tend to be caught, because they are very large and stick out, such as the Ohio machine that registered negative 25 million votes. However, moderate to slight errors (whether intentional or not) will tend not to be caught necessarily because it is hard to distinguish improper data from changes in the voter demographic or late-breaking changes in campaigns. Any such slight to moderate errors
that exist would be susceptible of rational explanation by means other than their true cause (i.e. a Republican tide came in, changes in demographics, last minute attack ads, etc.). Thus, the only "errors" that will make it through will be moderate to subtle ones. Another way of putting this "rule" is that only relatively close elections can be "stolen".

CONCLUSIONS: There are always going to be explanations that can be
proffered to explain any set of numbers (weaker candidates, war,
etc.). However, these explanations are not at all sufficient to explain why there is such a large difference in favor of Republicans ON THE ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES in precincts that Gore and Locke won in 2000, relative to the paper ballots. A simple "Republican tide" would not explain why the totals on electronic machines differ from "absentee" totals of absentee and provisional ballots by almost double. FOR SOME REASON, more Republican votes are recorded on the Sequoia machines. This could be due to a programming error, deliberate alteration of election day Sequoia data, or that Democrats avoided the touch screen systems in large numbers, by disproportionately voting early.

Note however, that any theory that suggests that latebreaking voters broke for Rossi suffers from the problem that there are 235 paper ballots that came in from the polling location on Election day but were reported in the canvass as "absentees". If there was any late break for Rossi, 235 of the 920 late breaking ballots were placed in the "absentee" column, so the late break for Rossi would have to have been even larger than it appears from the numbers here. Thus, it does not appear very likely that latebreaking voters explains the continuing gap (doubling up from 21.2% to 39.8%) between Rossi and Gregoire on electronic voting relative to paper ballots scanned optically.

A working hypothesis is that something in the counting of the votes,
whether it be a defective computer algorithm, an altered total, a hacking of the system, or defective math caused the Republican gain differential based on the type of voting technology used. It is also possible that Democrats disproportionately (and heavily so) used absentee ballots relative to electronic voting, either because they were more motivated to vote early compared to Republicans, or because they wished to avoid electronic machines in large numbers. If it is the former, and Democrats used absentee ballots much more than Republicans, it is a complete reversal of the general historical rule that Republicans are better at absentees, though this "rule" has admittedly eroded in recent years. But has it eroded to the point of democratic dominance of absentees? If it is the latter (namely that Democrats don't trust the touch screen machines) then there is a serious problem of confidence in the electoral system that has
to be addressed regardless of whether or not a computer defect is found, or even findable.
In any case, the discrepancies between both pre-electronic 2000
performance, and the discrepancies between absentee ballots and electronic voting both argue for more investigation into the general election of 2004, and the possibility that something is wrong regarding the touch screen electronic voting machines can not be ruled out.

Paul R. Lehto, Attorney at Law

LEHTO & PENFIELD, PLLC

2829 Rucker Avenue, 3rd Floor

P.O. Box 1091

Everett, WA 98206-1091

425-257-2297 (voice)

425-258-5041 (fax)

Paul@lehtopenfield.com


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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:31 PM
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30. Paper absentees vs. touch screen election day results
Paper Absentees: Gregoire 97044, Rossi 95228
Touch Screen Election day: Gregoire 42,145 Rossi 50400

If the same percentages would have held on election day, then the 92,545 votes that were touch screen would be split up at the paper absentees rate and Gregoire obtains 50.472% of the vote:

Election day is then
Gregoire 46,709, Rossi 45836

This contains some assumptions that aren't justified, like we might allow Rossi to gain a little on election day, (though traditionally Dems are the ones that gain on election day more often than not) but the above calculation means Rossi gained 4,564 votes on touch screens if we assume his touch screen performance equaled his paper ballot absentee performance.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 11:32 PM
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33. Thank you for such a detailed and thorough investigation.
It obviously took a great deal of time and effort to produce, and I will distribute it to those who care and can (hopefully) do some good with it.
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AtLiberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 11:40 PM
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34. Then a revote doesn't scare me...
...I think our strategy all along should have been to insist on revotes in Washington AND Ohio.

Gore's biggest mistake was not insisting on counting all the votes in Florida.

We're afraid of fraud. The GOP is afraid of truth.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 12:25 AM
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35. Not scary if they do paper ballots, plenty scary if machines.
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 12:43 AM
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36. I posted documentation of vote machine fraud in Snohomish a few days ago
They may have picked my URL up.
http://www.flcv.com/snohomis.html

Also Orange Co Calif
http://www.flcv.com/orangets.html

Mercer Co. Pennsylvania
http://www.flcv.com/mercerco.html

and others- more later
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 08:36 AM
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38. Fraud is just all over the country, isn't it?
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 10:09 PM
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59. I've documented touchscreen fraud in at least 10 states
Ohio,Florida,New Mexico,Pennsylavania,South Carlina, Virginia, Texas, Wisconsin, Washington, California, North Carolina, Indiana, etc.
Based on EIRS paper trail from the thousands of EIRS election incident irregularity reports. www.voteprotect.org
(I've provided URLs already)
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:36 AM
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41. kick
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:46 AM
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44. Kick and stay kicked


We Democrats are sooo sweet and nice.

Flyers, mini newspapers about this report should be left in every place all over that county.

They should be send to every Republican that ever though about a revote.

If the shoe was on the other foot they would be blasting this all over the TV. Since the TV and newspapers are not designed with us in mind, WE MUST BE OUR OWN COMMUNICATION SYSTEM!

The internet is NOT enough.

We need to be in their face, at the court house when the case is being decided. Where are we? We are at our computers bitching and moaning.

I will keep shouting it until somebody listens.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 02:48 PM
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67. Thanks weeve
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weeve Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 07:23 PM
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49. Seattle Time Sunday
A full page ad in todays paper from the Rossi goons. I quoted the contents on this thread ..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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yazsir Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 09:02 AM
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53. kick
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 01:36 PM
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54. kick
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 06:25 PM
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55. Why was the way the election was conducted just fine with Rossi
unitl the results changed, and now there are all these problems with it that didn't exist when he came out the winner? He keeps talking about all these problems indicating the need for a revote.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 08:04 PM
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56. I really, really hope
they get their revote. On paper ballots so that there can be NO question about the results. This report is so disturbing to me, I can't believe Rossi hasn't been told just to give it up, so that the issue will "go away". Who knows how many other studies are being done, and what they'll turn up?

ALL IN FAVOR OF THE REPUKES. EVERY SINGLE TIME. What a frigging coincidence.

These people really need to be in jail, or maybe padded rooms, so they can no longer harm anyone but themselves. This administration is so corrupt it makes Nixon look like a paragon of virtue and honesty.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 08:09 PM
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57. Nixon didn't have e-voting. Corruption can be taken to unprecedented
levels with that. It allows them to create a one-party country and do away with checks and balances.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 08:50 PM
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58. When the counting of the vote is privatized
as it is with proprietary operating systems for voting machines, then elections are privatized. If elections are privatized, the government is privatized. If elections and government are privatized, is there anything left but illusions?
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 10:09 PM
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60. See this thread: republican e-voting security expert demands paper
Edited on Sat Jan-15-05 10:11 PM by Amaryllis
ballots hand counted; poses tough questions for elected officials.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Hey, Land Shark, weren't you one of the co-authors of the Snohomish County study?
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 10:18 PM
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61. Yes, I was one of the authors of the Snohomish study n/t
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 10:41 PM
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63. Thought so. Great work. I have been spreading it around.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 12:20 AM
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65. Thanks Amaryllis. Posting some new data now n/t
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 11:26 PM
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64. Kick
yeah good piece of work
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 12:47 AM
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66. New data is posted on this thread, see
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

It concerns what times during the day "screen recalibrations" are going on in an attempt to fix what might be recalibration issues or might be vote switching.
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