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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:35 AM
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Stop Freeping: New Forum by invitation only?
I don't even know if this is possible, but could DU provide a forum that was invitation only? After a certain number of posts, a DU member could petition the moderators to enter the Forum.

We are providing planning information to lurking freepers. If we want a strategic response to this fascism , shouldn't we attempt to keep it for belivers eyes only? Comments, please.
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TrueAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:42 AM
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1. I ask for somethng like that before
But the Administrator doesn't like the idea.
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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:52 AM
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9. I think you mean

"the architect"

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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:42 AM
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2. I am respectfully pointing out that if they want to
infiltrate for information, they aren't going to give themselves away. Go ahead if it makes you feel better, but I don't really see any advantage to be gained.
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:47 AM
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3. This software does provide for private forums
Edited on Sat Jan-08-05 08:13 AM by Jersey Devil
For instance, there is one for the moderators that posters cannot see unless they are admitted by the admins as a moderator. I used this software on my own forum and know its capabilities. Of course, if Admin doesn't want to use that option you could always have a board outside of DU that you maintain by invitation only that you can hide from the public and allow only registered members to see.

By the way, I can understand DU's Admins hesitating to have private forums because my experience with them is that they led to jealousy among posters who were not admitted to them and all kinds of speculation as to what was going on in them.

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verdalaven Donating Member (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:02 AM
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4. The problem with this idea
is that suspicion might possibly shut out people who have lots to offer.

I mainly lurk (which is why I linger in low post count hell) but I also participate by writing letters to Reps and Senators, letters to the editor and I have a group of people I email regularly with updates that I receive, mainly, from DU. I think there are probably lots at DU like me, active lurkers. How would you vet those who are invited to your private forum? By post count? Length of time participating at DU? If done that way I think you'd end up losing a large silent(on DU anyway)valuable army of participants.

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M155Y_A1CH Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:58 AM
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10. Second that
You sure couldn't go by post numbers,
if you wanted to boot the freeps.
I've seen many questionable new members
with posts above 1000 with just a couple of weeks
of band-width wastage.

My advise for having DU look the way you want
is to use the ignore button often.

Try it, you'll love it.

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bluedonkey Donating Member (644 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:04 AM
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5. organize outside this forum
Organize in Real life! It's the safest way to eliminate being infiltrated.
Also,how long do you think this internet will be up,if THEY think we're a threat?
(NO tinfoil,just thinking ahead)
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:23 AM
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6. while DU is a specific group of forums (you can be withdrawn if you
don't follow the forum rules) -- it is still important they are open, in my opinion. I know that if I hadn't been able to respond immediately after I found DU I would have gone elsewhere -- I needed to be a part of the discussion, I needed to think out loud, I needed to be in a community that was like-minded about this election stuff particularly, but other aspects, too.

While we have arranged things like rallies, etc. -- I just don't see what "strategy" would be given away. Allowing people who may or may not believe that we are beginning on the path to fascism *need* to be able to see what is going on, what is being said, and start to think for themselves if they believe that or not. A private, invitation only, forum may lead to stale ideas after awhile. It is the diversity of posts and of thought that keeps people forming and reforming their message.

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:44 AM
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28. Agreed, keep it free and avoid exclusiveness. n/t
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:39 AM
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7. There is no measuring the number of scales that have been removed
from the eyes of freepers after reading what has and continues to be presented here. I say... let the good times troll. The number who have been "converted" into thinking individuals may severely outweigh those who have come only to do damage.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:47 AM
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8. Agreed. My main attraction to DU is the free flow of information.
Free flowing information is the bane of fascism. A well-learned, well-informed populace is more resistant to enslavement. Troll. Read. Learn. Whatever...
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:02 AM
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11. The real metric shouldn't be post count.
There is a lot of noise here. I personally don't care if freepers or little green men post as long as they are lucid and make points rather than attacking the messengers or starting drive-by controversial threads.

I would support a signal only no noise forum where invitation is by pledge and there are penalties for posting noise. All should be able to read these forums.

-Hoot
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:04 AM
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12. It won't work-JMO
If someone is a dedicated mole(or some kind of paid operative if indeed such a creature exists) they could have been here since the sites inception.

IMO a "safe zone" where people don't even give a second thought to saying whatever they want, might prove to be even more problematic.

JMO
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:10 AM
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13. There are pros and cons
My message board has a private forum. The regulars love it and some of the new people don't. It's for regular posters by invitation from one of the administrators. When a board has a private forum they have to be prepared to take the heat for it, something that I am willing to do. Having been stalked by repukes many of us just don't care whether they think it is elitist or not. The protection of and comfort of our regulars comes first. New people either deal or don't deal, it's up to them.

However, DU is 100 times the size of my board and that makes getting to know new posters well enough to invite them into a private forum very difficult. I'm not sure how well it would work on such a large board.

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Mr.Green93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:18 AM
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14. Would some posters
be more equal than others?
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:23 AM
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15. I've always opposed this idea
But seeing how we were attacked over the last few weeks, I am beginning to see some wisdom in setting up a restricted area.

I like what I saw in some of above posts. It can be open to all to read, but in order to post one must have some kind of pledge to keep playing well with others, and stay on message.

Then again, a totally closed forum would help to keep strategies from most prying eyes. Sure, we could do it off DU, or by email. But I'd prefer to DU it here.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:49 AM
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16. I don't really mind freeper strikes
it's good practice for life on the streets
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:00 AM
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17. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:07 AM
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18. "Every other website out there welcomes open discussion"
Edited on Sat Jan-08-05 10:10 AM by Straight Shooter
Go to Free Republic where you belong, and see how long the "open discussion" lasts when someone posts a dissenting opinion.

:eyes:

edit: Your so-called "silent majority" is actually a strident minority. Get real.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:30 AM
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19. I resent your insinuation I belong at Free Republic,
I entered this forum as a way to communicate information from CASEOHio and other progressive groups that needed to get out to progressive democrats. You may disagree with my idea, but then the level of information that will be out on DU will be somewhat limited. No one respects the freedom of speech more than me. I am closing my business of 17 years to devote my time to working on re-establishing democracy in this country. I was introduced to posting at DU by members from Colorado who suggested it was a great way of drawing attention to rallies, in my case the Dec 12 Rally in Columbus. Since non of the ACTIVISTS I work with ever had time, because of our activism, I volunteered to use DU not only to get information out, but also to keep our group informed of ideas and information that was presented on this forum.
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burned Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:38 AM
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24. his post wasnt in response to yours.
top right hand corner.
response was to reply #17
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:51 AM
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33. sorry for post 19.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 11:30 AM
Response to Reply #33
38. LOL.
I've done that, too. :hi:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:34 AM
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21. Inform yourself, you are part of what is destroying our country!
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:42 AM
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27. It is "Democratic Underground"...hence Dems and left thinking
people come here to talk with like minded people. We don't come here to talk to the likes of you. Unless you fit the profile, go home!
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:07 PM
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47. I didn't come here for an "open forum"
I came here to chat up, argue, and sometimes agree with like-minded individuals. Having assholes come in and fuck it up is not what I pay my money to have in front of me.

What part of that don't you "free market capitalists" understand?

Just more confirmation that Bush-lovers are neither true conservatives nor true capitalists. They are nothing more than fanatic followers of a fascist ideology.
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:43 PM
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49. Hey Spiff ~ did you mean to reply to #17? It looks like we are of
like mind on this, though I might not have put it so strongly - I tend to be too nice.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:45 AM
Response to Reply #17
31. I took you up on your challenge
Now I challenge YOU to post something that no one will want to delete.
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 11:27 AM
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36. "PROVE ME RIGHT BY DELETING THIS POST. "
My pleasure

:nuke:
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 11:33 AM
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39. Birds of a feather flock together
If a group of researchers or investigators are working towards a common goal, on a particular subject, and gathering data to solve a problem, why should or would they allow distractors in to derail and distract and waste their time?

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 11:37 AM
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40. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #17
43. How smart of us all...
...to keep our time from being wasted.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:34 AM
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20. And make "us" as bad as "them".... Forget it.
BTW... That's what PMs are for. ;)

I appreciate the thought tho... However, secrecy never serves democracy.

:)
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #20
23. I am not saying all forums, but difficult times call for
protection, especially in light of the UN AMERICAN patriot act .
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:45 AM
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30. Good thought.
Yes, desperate times, desperate measures and all...

I can see +s and -s to what you suggest.

Hmm, maybe I need to redefine my secrecy in the context of
privacy?

Something to ponder... Thanks for bringing it up mod mom. :)

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:35 AM
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22. A Freeper who was really serious about it
could probably get in anyhow. So if there was some really sensitive planning going on, I think it would be dangerous.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:41 AM
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26. Your point is well taken, but although I belong to
closed forums, there are times when information needs to get out to those interested in promoting democracy, and NOT to those who impede it's existence.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:40 AM
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25. Good idea.
I come here to get away from freepers. They are ruining many of our good discussions. We all can practice arguing with them on sites all over the internetS. I want DU to be a refuge, freeper-free!

:yourock:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:44 AM
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29. thanks for your support. I didn't realize making a suggestion here...
would result in condemation. I was looking for constructive criticism.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #29
32. You aren't being condemned
at least not by me. Post #17 is proof that your idea is a good one.

And I just have to add, what intelligent person would register and post hate speech here under a screen name beginning with "Sgt" and expect to be taken seriously??? Man, they must really think we are stooopid. :)
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 11:20 AM
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34. Skinner won't allow "private" forums.
Start a listserv at Yahoo! Groups. And PM me...

NGU.


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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 11:23 AM
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35. Funny, a lot of freeps disappeared after Thurs.
anyone else notice? Of course some have dug in (we know
who you are). They'll get booted eventually.
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ClintCooper2003 Donating Member (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 11:30 AM
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37. That could be a problem, because sometimes honest discourse...
is mistaken for "freeping." Sometimes, people who disagree have a legitimate point to make. I hope we're not going to just eliminate the freedom of discourse.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 11:59 AM
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41. my point was not to apply to all forums, every forum that now
exists would remain open as is, but that there would be available a forum in which du members would either have to be nominated by other included members or could petition moderators after enough postings, that would show their postings would be constructive in nature to the democracy we we are attempting to protect. Legitimate points could continue on existing forums.

There are times when information needs to be provided to individuals outside our own networks and closed groups, but would rather not be shared with distruptive freepers. Remember, we have some difficult work ahead of us.

It was just a suggestion.
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ClintCooper2003 Donating Member (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:00 PM
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42. Sounds good. Let's do it. n/t
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:11 PM
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44. we could always a start a forum on my board
Edited on Sat Jan-08-05 12:12 PM by Faye
or a whole new little board - i own like 5 of them now. on ezboard's service, you can have private forums, as well as full private membership (membership by approval). i'm also pretty good at designing them and setting them up too. just a thought.

oh, and i usually know a freeper when i see them so it wont' be hard to kick them out if they slip in :hi:
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Darknyte7 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #44
45. You do have great "freepdar"...
I've picked up on some of that from you. Thanks! :hi:
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #45
46. lol
cool :hi:
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adolfo Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:42 PM
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48. Keep the information flowing
Edited on Sat Jan-08-05 01:46 PM by adolfo
I believe in keeping everything out in the open. That is the only way we can prevail.

In a previous post I was accused of misinforming others and wasting time when posting an analyses. It was not easy to take hours of compiling information, posting it, and then have someone make accusations at me. There are many freepers on DU that want to discredit anyone doing real work.

We should establish a "points" system where we can rate each other's comments. Take a look at Slashdot.com to see what I mean. This way, points can be given or taken away depending on the merits of the post.


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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:43 PM
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50. If they won't do it here then start a private by invitation only group
on yahoo.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:44 PM
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51. Locking
Please post questions regarding formations of new forums in the Ask the Adminstrator's forum.
Thank you.

Moderator
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