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VTGold Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:22 AM
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BBV working on Ohio
Hi fellow DUers,

Just wanted to let you know that Black Box Voting emailed me to say that they are working on Ohio.

I emailed them on Thursday after the Ohio electoral vote challenge as I was in a bit of turmoil - as most of us were. I wanted to know what work was still going on in Ohio and since I had donated to BBV in November I figured I'd see what they had in mind.

They have done FOIA requests on all Ohio counties and are working on organizing the results. They aren't sure by Ohio law they can get the actual ballots to count but are working on it.

Most interestingly however is this:

(snip)
"We also did a statewide FOIA request for every bit of
correspondence between Kenneth Blackwell and vendors, and
between Kenneth Blackwell and certain other individuals of
interest, and we look forward to getting that shortly."
(end snip)

So work is still going on on hopefully many legal and activists fronts.

That made me breath a little easier this morning :)

Christy
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farmbo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:31 AM
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1. Please note and forward new Ohio AG's Opinion on ballot access:
http://www.ag.state.oh.us/sections/opinions/2004/2004-0...

Both poll books and ballots must be "carefully preserved" and "made available for public inspection"..."after the time for a challenge has passed."
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VTGold Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:40 AM
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3. OK - I've sent it on to BBV - hopefully they already have it but you..
...can never be too careful! :)

Thanks!
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Nikepallas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:33 AM
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2. With all the news and confusion of BBV can we actually trust anything
said or e-mailed by them. I just meant when I heard Bev on Randi's show and her response to a question a friend of mine asked her I am being to wonder if this is actually going to find the truth.

Not to offend just my opinion.
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VTGold Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:45 AM
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4. I have no idea what will come of it but as I said I had donated to them..
..right after the election and so figured I had the right to inquire regarding Ohio.

Whatever the controversy - I want everyone and their uncle breathing down Blackwell's neck.

I pray something significant is accomplished but even if we only prevent him being rewarded for his crimes as Katherine Harris was - that's something.

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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:31 AM
Response to Reply #4
10. Nothing will come of Bev's work
except more money in her pocket.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org
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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:45 AM
Response to Reply #10
11. she's writing
and promoting a book.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #11
15. A new one?
or the old one?

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

The taste of Republican butt does not improve with age.

"The NeoCons can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They do not feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.
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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #15
21. a new one I believe...
I just read an interview with her announcing it.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:18 PM
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27. Ah, the quintissential multi-tasker.
Imagine, investigating fraud in Florida and Ohio (and who knows where else) ALL BY HERSELF. Filing lawsuits, managing the computer site, answering mail, returning phone calls, balancing the books, bashing her former employee, publisher, DU, Olbermann, etc...AND writing a book. All by herself. Astonishing.

I am one sorry lazy-ass person. I can't even clean the litterbox.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #27
30. The name of the new book
"BlackBox Shuffle" if you can believe it.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #30
31. To the tune of "The Curly Shuffle," no doubt.
(nyuk, nyuk, nyuk)
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #30
32. Gee, I wonder
if she'll self-publish or screw someone new?

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 06:29 PM
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33. Where was the interview?
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #10
12. I AGREE WITH YOU ...N/T
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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:51 AM
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5. A cool link
I went to BBV and there was a link there, http://breakthelink.org, with other ways we common citizens can Do Something to help in other ways.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:23 PM
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17. This link will work
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:59 AM
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6. Just what this movement needs
The non-journalist/journalist computer illiterate investigator investigating punch card voting which she also knows nothing about.

Yeah, that'll help. NOT.

Any hope of press coverage in Ohio just went out the window. No sane journalist will touch it if they might encounter Bev Harris in the process.

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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:08 AM
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7. It reminds me of an old song...
Edited on Sat Jan-08-05 09:09 AM by God_bush_n_cheney
Too little too late.

Bev riding in on her white horse. Well I have been on the ground a month already. The Activists here could have used her help a month ago...She is coming in to do a job that well....is already being done by a group of very dedicated people.

I wonder how Bev proposes to pry loose email n such from Blackwells office...when he won't even follow the law and be deposed... :eyes:


EDIT: BTW bored...your post made me laugh. Thanks!


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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #7
18. Hey Andy I got a memme for you and it rhymes...
Computers count the votes so no one can see
They claim Bush won, I say prove it to me.

And since you are in Columbus you may have some fun puttimg the following on car windshields parked near Blackwell's office...

Go to http://bushcheated.50megs.com/main.html to download high res files to print






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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:27 AM
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8. I think BBV has the right idea: work on the small you can do, not...
the big thing at the end you have little control over. Growth is always here a little there a little, line upon line, precept upon precept, etc. That's the way anythinf of valure grows. We want to focus on and blame the media too much it seems to me when that's the last step and there are a lot of things that each person can do right now to inform individuals in your own area: call some official and talk to him/her about a paper trail and audited elections, letters to editor, wearing an orange arm band (and being ready to answer questions posed about why you're wearing it), buying copies of Harris's book BBV and passing around copies to those who might be influenced, tellng all friends about it who will listen, passing out copies of mss like Freeman's study, etc. etc. Having audited elections is a bi-partisan issue and should have bi-partisan support.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:30 AM
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9. The last thing we need to do is help Bev
gather more evidence for another qui tam law suit.

The last one cost dearly and made Diebold untouchable in California.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:36 AM
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13. WAKE UP
BEV IS IN THIS FOR BEV..TO HAVE HER MICHEAL MOORE MOMENT...I DONATED, I WROTE HER ,I HAD ALL THE LISTS OF VOLUNTEERS HERE IN MY AREA OF FLA READY AND WILLING TO DO WHATEVER THIS WOMAN NEEDED..I WROTE HER OVER AND OVER..WE HAD SO MANY HERE IN FLA WILLING TO GO ANYWHERE INTHE STATE...
NEVER A REPLY FROM HER...NONE ZERO ZIP....

THE ONLY CALL I GOT WHEN IT WAS TOO LATE WAS FROM OUR DEC AND SEC CHAIR ASKING ME TO DO A TEST ON THE MACHINES HERE...

I WENT I TESTED..
THERE WERE PROBS WITH THEMACHINE I TESTED...
IT WAS NOT UNTIL THE NEXT DAY , IREAD IN THE PAPER THAT BEV WAS THERE EARLY BEFORE THE TEST BEGAN ..I NEVER SAW HER...BUT THE PAPER SAID THERE WERE NO PROBLEMS WITH THE MACHINES....

WELL I HAD SERIOUS PROBS WITH THE MACHINES...BUT THAT WAS NEVER REPORTED..
BEV AND HER WHOLE GAME ARE OVER...NOW THAT IS ONE THING I WILL ..."GET OVER IT" ABOUT!
SHE COULD HAVE CONTAMINATED THE WHOLE STATE WITH HER B.S.

WHO DO YOU CALL WHEN YOU WANT TO CHECK THE VOTES AND MACHINES AND THE SYSTEMS...YOU CALL THE LOCALS WHO WORKED THE AREAS , WHO KNOW WHERE THE PROBS WERE, AND THE PEOPLE WHO WERE THE PROBLEMS....YOU CALLL THOSE WHO KNOW THE AREA THE BEST...
BEV DID NONE OF THE ABOVE!
FLY
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #13
20. I Wrote her Too
many times offering her to basically be a slave to help her do anything she needed whenever for free because I live nearby. I never heard back from her.
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 11:08 AM
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14. With all due respect, Ohio doesn't need BBV.
The investigation in Ohio continues regardless of BBV. I donated to BBV after the election and I wish I hadn't.

It's hard enough already to get people to see the legitimacy of the investigation. Cobb, Arnebeck, Truit and others have done a good job keeping the investigations and suits on the level.

We don't need any bad press and it seem to follow in the wake of BBV. I would be happy to donate to BBV again if they would STAY OUT of Ohio. I'm very serious. For the sake of this fragile movement, please send BBV somewhere else.

Again with all due respect, the timing and motives of BBV is questionable. Have they completed any of current investigations they have reported in other states? They seem to be going to places where they can get the most attention and donations. I am concerned that previous problems surrounding BBV will just follow them into Ohio (Bad press in FL, questionable management decisions, suspicious finances, eternal rumors and arguments... and on).

Ohio needs investigators with the best of intentions. Ohio needs investigators that can work in a team environment. Ohio needs investigators who do not hold back information from the rest of the team.

If you only knew how close we came to not having a Senator to sign the challenge then you would understand how fragile this situation is. Another event like the one in Florida where BBV interrupted a meeting of election officials would have probably been enough to de-legitimize the efforts in Ohio. There is a great chance that Boxer couldn't have signed if there had been an event in Ohio like this.

My apology to the VTGold and the Mods if this message is not appropriate. Thanks!
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #14
23. I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH YOU!! N/T
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:25 PM
Response to Reply #14
28. Absolutely, from what I've seen and heard, BH is krytonite to this cause.
I hope noone gives her anymore money or lets her anywhere near where legitimate work is being done.

She is a crazymaker.
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La Femme Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 11:59 AM
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16. BBV
"Have they completed any of current investigations they have reported in other states?"

I second that. Where's all the Florida evidence of fraud? Now they're finished with Florida and moving on to the next state..... What's the purpose if nothing is being done with the evidence? What good is evidence many years from now? We know Gore won in 2000 but what did that get us? That squatter is still in the Whitehouse with no plans of leaving. Finding out Kerry won the election a year from now will not change the results. Bush will still be the acting President.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:38 PM
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19. If she found evidence, she will use it to enrich herself n/t
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #16
24. WHATS THE GOOD OF EVIDENCE...
if it is turned in to late to have any consequesnces?? like bbv did in fla!
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 02:37 PM
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22. If you want to consider something that could be effective
please read this proposal:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

The taste of Republican butt does not improve with age.

"The NeoCons can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They do not feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.
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bemis12 Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:10 PM
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25. Let's send her money!!!!!!!
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ecoalex Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:30 PM
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26. I'm Sure Blackwell
will filter all communications he's a slick unca Tom .
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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:27 PM
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29. That's funny!
Unca Tom!
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