Washington State Governor Mess-Rossi Contests!

[shakerbaker]

Rossi(R) just held a press conference where he stated he will contest the election with the goal of having a revote.

It's just amazing how this neoccon doesn't accept a loss after having had 3 recounts.

Justice must prevail for Christine Gregoire!

[Darkhawk32]

1. Make his ass pony up for a $750,000 recount or if there's a revote....

The FULL cost of the revote STATEWIDE!

[femme.democratique]

2. Ok, I'm out in Seattle today, should I....

....go find the fascist scum and give him a bitch-slap?

[shakerbaker]

5. I'd dontate to see that!!

[femme.democratique]

23. Cool, now I just need to hunt him down...

...where do Repukes hang out in the Seattle/Olympia area?

[Left coast liberal]

35. Bellevue

[laconicsax]

69. Anywhere east of Seattle

Mercer Island, Bellevue, Issaquah, Redmond, Kirkland, Sammamish for example

[Be Brave]

3. I thought the state senate wouldn't have any of this revote stuff? n/t

[EFerrari]

4. Fantastic. Keeps voting problems in the news. n/t

[blm]

8. heheh...that was my first thought, too.

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[EFerrari]

9. There seems to be an ice cube where my heart used to be. lol n/t

[Twist_U_Up]

6. something tells me

that corporate media will be all ver this.
Plus the repukes have paid off the right people now

Rossi will win it you watch

[Amaryllis]

59. KICK THIS! 25 pg scientific study shows machine fraud in Snohomish Co.

Need to get this out all over the web and to groups in
WA especially in the event Rossi is successful in his challenge, but even if he isn't. Maybe if it became widely known it would stop his whining...I can hope, can't I?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=268654&mesg_id=268654

[Liberty Belle]

7. Isn't there a legal limit to how many recounts you can have?

This has reached the point of absurdity. What an idiot.

[read the law first]

24. There won't be any more recounts. n/t

[ailsagirl]

56. SORE LOSER-- TRUE LOSER

[Renew Deal]

10. Is there anything in the law that allows a revote.

I swear I would consider going to WA. for GOTV if he does this.

[read the law first]

15. Actually it's the ONLY remedy for a successful contest.

As I've posted before, in an election contest, the only question is "were there more illegal votes or unlawful ballots than the margin of victory plus one?" and it doesn't matter whether the illegal votes or unlawful ballots come from Rossi or Gregoire likely supporters. If you show that's the case, the ONLY remedy (with the exception of some possible criminal prosecutions) from an election law standpoint is a statewide revote.

There will be a revote in this case because there were more than 130 illegal votes or unlawful ballots in the entire State of Washington. I told y'all this was the case when we were behind (don't sweat it because there's going to be a statewide revote) so it didn't change just because we won. Go ahead and start working to win the revote rather than spending a bunch of time trying to stop the rotation of the planet.

You have the proper attitude and that is "get ready to get out of the vote."

The revote's coming. GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV

[Renew Deal]

18. I'm in NY

But I want to fight these bastards.

[read the law first]

26. You can send email, you can send $$, you can encourage volunteers there.

There's a lot of stuff you can do even from 2,000 miles away.

[merwin]

39. You honestly think there will be a re-vote?

This state is completely run by democrats now... house, senate, governor, and the secretary of state who is a republican is on the side that the election was fine.

There are no provisions in the law for a re-vote, period.

[lostnfound]

45. The 'states-rights' Pubs will find a reason to defer to US Supreme Court?

Reasons are unnecessary in W's America.

[read the law first]

51. I am 100% sure of it as long as there is a contest.

If there is a contest, I am 100 % sure that there will be a new election. In the statutes, it's not called a re-vote but that's the only remedy of a contest is a new election. All this stuff about take votes from one side and give it to the other is crap.

I'm probably the only person who has posted in this forum who has actually done an election contest and the amount of incorrect information that's been posted is staggering.

I agree that I have never seen in any statute the word "re-vote." And I've only seen it in a few cases. The vast, vast majority talk about voiding the election and setting a new election. "Re-vote" is just shorthand slang.

As I've said before. It's all about the margin. And 130 votes in a statewide race is the size of a gnat. They can probably find 130 illegal Rossi votes if they need to (and remember in a contest, the standard is illegal votes or unlawful ballots period). It doesn't matter who the illegal votes or unlawful ballots are for.

If there is a contest (unless we just decide not to follow the law), there will be a new election.

[mimitabby]

53. it's going before the most conservative judge they could find!

[Straight Shooter]

11. Isn't he aiding the terrorists by contesting an election?

I bet Michael Moore put him up to this.

Why is he being a sore loser?

/sarcasm off

[Blue_In_AK]

21. You're funny, Straight Shooter LOL

[Patsy Stone]

34. It's the TFH and conspiracy rumors he's read on the internet(s) n/t

[loudsue]

12. Fine!

The Democrats should INSIST on Paper Ballots with magic markers, ALL counted BY HAND.... No machines (computer) counting.

If it's good enough for our Canadian buddies, it's good enough for us!

THEN let's watch the repukes squirm!!!

:kick::kick::kick:

[RaulVB]

13. He is aiding the enemy by casting doubts on the American democracy (n/t)

[read the law first]

17. LOL! That was a good zinger turning yesterday back on them! n/t

[steelyboo]

20. Where are our Dems in the Senate and House pointing out the

Hypocrisy of them asking for a revote after spending all that time yesterday chastising us like children about an even LESS intrusive idea, along the same principles?

I swear to God, if those cocksuckers jump behind him nationally,... I hate this ignorant ass country some days. WHY WHY WHY do we let ANYONE in office? We don't need educational requirements to VOTE, but we sure could use them for the CANDIDATES.

For christians, they sure are selective in which lessons of that religion to follow.

[txindy]

14. Someone needs to make a new commercial to show Washington State

Use the neocons' words from yesterday against Rossi. Take the video of them refusing to look into irregularities or election problems and calling those who wish to do so "conspirators." Let his republican colleagues' words body-slam his chances for a recount or revote.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

16. Rossi is hurting our Country by casting doubt on the....

legitimacy of the electoral process.

[read the law first]

19. Another good one.

Throwing yesterday back at them.

[EFerrari]

22. oh oh oh oh: Let's write to the WA papers, outraged because

Rossi is "emboldening terrorists" and undermining our "miraculous system of government".

It will only work if you use those precise words.

lol

[drummer55]

25. so take a step back

and read this from the point of view of Ohio.

The arguements being used against mister Rossi are the same that were being used against the mess in Ohio

The purveyors of these types of arguments seem no better than the people who used them in Ohio.

Reframe Reframe Reframe

If Gregriore is the true winner and mistr Rossi wants to pay for a revote then let him. Every vote should be counted! not just the ones you want. Republican, Democrat, independent communist etc......
Every Vote needs to be counted.

[Renew Deal]

28. There is a difference between counting the votes and a revote.

In Florida (2000) the votes were never counted. In Wa. they were counted 3 times. In Ohio they were counted at least twice with a wide margin.

[Carolab]

36. NO! Ohio NEVER had a full hand recount

and the 3% recount was in violation of Ohio laws. Where do you get that it was recounted at least twice?

[Renew Deal]

49. They were counted the first time

And the 3% recount. I never said that they were recounted twice. Randi Rhodes was talking about the 3% recount some time ago like it was the right thing to do. I can't imagine that she was advocating something illegal. Also, the point of the 3% recount was to find major discrepancies. We're they found? So far I haven't seen anything drastic.

[Carolab]

55. Of course they weren't "found".

The 3% recount WAS NOT random, as required by Ohio regulations. It was preselected and the technicians fiddled with the machines beforehand so that the hand recount would match the machines and no full hand recount would happen. Only one county was hand-counted and in that county Kerry GAINED 1000 votes.

[Diane R]

43. No.

I live in Washington State. I helped monitor the hand count. It was done fair and square and honestly....a true recount, unlike the 'recount' in Ohio. And, the entire state was hand-counted with every ballot observed by a republican and a democrat. In addition, except for him contesting about 200 votes that were already examined (by a bipartison canvassing board), and discarded, there are no other irregularities.

There are no examples of fraud, of votes jumping from one column to the other, or voter suppression. Rossi is simply mad because his 42 vote 'mandate' is now a 129 vote loss. He now claims that Gregoire cannot lead because her election was not legitimate...although he thought his 42 vote lead was decisive.

Why should Washington State democrats agree to a revote, when the violations in the presidential election were exponentially more egregious? If we let them have another whack at this apple, I can only imagine the dirty tricks the republicans will bring to our state. Did you know they want to open the voter registration process before the revote?

Please. I know you want to prove a point, but we do not need a revote out here.

[stray cat]

27. Lets revote for all the elections just to make sure

I don't think we can come out any worse.

[greatscott15]

29. Shouldn't we be Consistent?

We are complaining because a repuk contests an election, but what have we been talking about on here for weeks now?

Sorry folks. The election lawsuit "genie" was let loose in 2000, and is never going back in the bottle.

I'd say let the republican contest. Don't think it will change anything.

[newscott]

30. He should advocate for a complete revote

He'd be our knight in shining armor by pointing out how corrupt the voting system of the US is.

He'll be a hero to Democrats and Republicans alike!

Well except the Republicans who want the status quo and want to continue to steal chunks of our country.

[rumpel]

31. To our advantage. Keep it in the spotlight! but he won't win.

[Patsy Stone]

32. Please remind him

that, as James Baker III would surely tell him, "the votes have been counted and counted and re-counted and counted again."

The hypocrisy is spectacular. I would love to see a re-vote. While we're at it let's have revotes all around. No need to stop with Washington.

How are they gonna make this fly in the eyes of the public that they told, "Get over it!" "Ohio was fine!" "It's just whining!"

Get out the faxes and the pocorn, this is just getting good. Watch them be "hoist by their own pitard."

Oy.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

33. He'll Probably Win

This is what the repubs do. They want it all, don't you realize that? Something must have went wrong this time, and they were unable to fix/rig the election correctly. You can bet if they do get a revote, they'll make sure they do it right. And the democrats will likely roll over, as usual. That's what They do.

[Biased Liberal Media]

38. If you're so convinced, then pray tell, why are you here?

I'm geniunely curious. You're basically expecting people to just give up?

[Carolab]

37. Shouldn't there be an independent monitor present?

I mean, to ensure this is all fair and square?

And shouldn't there be stricter controls over the process?

How is it the same to revote after all of this acrimony? Haven't people's perceptions been changed by this?

[Generic Other]

40. I don't want a re-vote

I want Rossi's suit to be thrown out of court.

What fraud does he claim? Get this: he says felons voted, dead people voted, other people voted twice, and that provisional ballots were counted that shouldn't have been. Oh and that military didn't have a chance to vote.

In other words, it's all about whose votes shouldn't be counted and whose should even though they didn't mail them in in time.

This is horse manure. No one wants a re-vote in this state. Our Sec of State said the election was honest and that there was NO evidence of fraud.

Rossi is a whiny ass greasy little punk.

[buddysmellgood]

44. Has he presented any proof? I see this as an opportunity to unearth

more republican dirty tricks.

[eridani]

46. It could be--I say slam him with the Snohomish County anomalies

Insist that the computer cartridges be impounded first.

[sunnystarr]

52. After watching Delay and the other Repugs insist that there

was absolutely no evidence of voter suppression in Ohio and that it didn't exist in 2004 or for that matter in Florida in 2000 and that there was no evidence of any problems in Ohio and that Ohio had a fair election .... all said while Conyers report is on the record and in their offices, I want to know why a revote in Washington is even being considered.

[merwin]

41. If a re-vote is attempted, a significantly lower percentage of people will

turn out to vote. It's a given. Hosting a re-vote for a governor at an odd date with very little "GOTV" effort to inform people that there's going to be a re-vote.

There's also the issue of people who've died since then, and people who've newly registered since then.

It can't work.

[ChiciB1]

42. I Smell Lots of RED

Money!! Follow the money, follow the money!! But that doesn't work, you can never FIND the money!!!

I know one thing for sure.... I'll NEVER NEVER NEVER become a REPUKE!!!

[Bill Bored]

47. Someone in WA, tell your leaders!

Don't revote on DREs without a paper trail and audit!
We WANT THOSE DREs DISSECTED or thrown out!
Tell the court the vote is unverifiable as long as they are used, no matter how many times you vote.
Rossi got disproportionately more votes on these machines in the same county. See this paper:
<http://www.votersunite.org/info/SnohomishElectionFraudInvestigation.pdf>

If Gregoire's victory is upheld, tell her to do an investigation!
You have a perfect opportunity there with an election this close.

[rjbny62]

48. now let me get this straight...

for a republican it is ok to contest an election after 3 statewide recounts, including one by hand, while in the 2000 presidential race, which is had global significance, the clear winner of the popular vote of this entire country loses the race because of a mere 500 votes admidst widespread documented voting irregularities in a state that is twice the size of the State of WA, governed by the brother of his opponent, and is then told to "move on" for the good of the country without even one statewide recount? The rules of this game sure don't seem equal to me.

[read the law first]

61. IT'S THE MARGIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry for shouting. But the difference is the margin. 118,000 margin very hard to set aside. 119 margin very simple to set aside. It's the margin that's the problem.

Now, the good news is that the person who loses also almost always loses the new election by a wider margin.

[Amaryllis]

50. IMPORTANT: See report of fraud in WA state-this needs to get out !

over the web. Machine fraud in Snohomish County!

http://www.votersunite.org/info/SnohomishElectionFraudInvestigation.pdf

[Destroy_All_Monsters]

54. Question for the lawyers

When Rossi files for a contest with a remedy of a new election, what should the smart Democrat response be, in light of the Snohomish County report by Lehto and Hoffman (see http://www.votersunite.org/info/SnohomishElectionFraudInvestigation.pdf)?

Above all, I would think that we want to create a legal situation that requires the impounding of the Sequoia touch screen machines and then examination of them through the use of computer forensics.

So should the lawyers --

Respond to Rossi's contest by claiming that Gregoire's win is more substantial than the hand recount suggests because of apparent electronic tampering in Snohomish County. These allegations should be investigated before applying the remedy of a new election.

OR

Pursue the allegations of electronic tampering in Smohonish County through separate civil or criminal suits. If you go this route, what do you do about Rossi's contest? Do you just let it move ahead to its natural conclusion?

[read the law first]

60. In a strange and perverse way. This helps the pukes.

In an election contest, you have to show illegal votes or unlawful ballots. It doesn't matter whether they came from likely dems or pukes. So, in a strange and perverse way, the more we bring up in Washington, the more we help them meet their burden of proof. I know it's weird, but that's the way it works.

[Destroy_All_Monsters]

63. Depressing, but helpful. Thanks.

In a strange and perverse way, your answer makes sense and I'm not surprised.

I assume this means that the Snohomish report will probably be ignored by smart Democrat lawyers in Washington state, at least until after the Rossi-Gregoire situation is resolved.

I'm getting depressed now.

Can you imagine any legal action that could succeed in impounding and examining the Snohomish touch screen machines and wouldn't potentially trigger a new election?

[read the law first]

65. Don't get depressed. Get out the vote.

There's nothing that we can do to expose voter fraud in Washington that won't help the pukes (except the ones that go to jail).

Your assumption about keeping quiet until after the contest is absolutely correct. Anything that puts the election in doubt helps them.

[Destroy_All_Monsters]

68. Hmmmm....

If (as you've argued) a new election in Washington state is inevitable, maybe the Democrats better work quickly to ensure that they don't use the possibly fixed Sequoia touch screens in Snohomish County again. And the only way to do that is to toss the accusation of electronic tampering fraud into the contest and demand an immediate investigation. Yes, it would mean giving in to the Repugs on the call for a new election, but inevitable is inevitable... Why not give in on the inevitable losing battle, and take the opportunity to gather the important information needed to win the war?

IMPOUND THE MACHINES!

[fooj]

57. Oh goody goody! Does this mean that we get to ridicule/mock now?

Woo Hoo! This could prove to be a real feeding frenzy! Apparently, this Rossi guy has been kidnapped by the X-files aliens...Delay better put up the old protection forcefield! Rumor has it that they are going after him next! Conspiracy Theories abound! Not to mention those nasty terrorists...what? Aiding and abetting? Tisk. Tisk.

[Carolab]

58. Petition against revote in Washington

http://involve.progressivemajority.org/ctt.asp?u=3659927&l=73582

[GetTheRightVote]

62. Rossi is following in the Repubs style, let me see what I need to do to

steal the election since the first attempt did not work out like it was suppose to. Man those people we hired were not as professional as they should have been, two bit losers, opps, just like us Repubs.

:mad:

[bush_is_wacko]

64. Look who's the conspiracy theorists, nutcase, x-filer, sore-loser

with sour grapes, that can't MOVE ON now! I expected nothing less. The Thugs will stop at nothing to have complete control over us!

[Niche]

66. Absolutely REVOTE.

Let them open that can of worms. Hell yeah. "You guys just want to recount until it goes your way". Also, rep SoS is getting heat from him party for following the law in regard to Gregoire's win.

[berniew1]

67. Dems should indict those responsible for touchscreen fraud in Snohomish

It could be worse for Repubs; there should be prosecution of the
touchscreen fraud in Snohomish:
http://www.flcv.com/snohomis.html

[weeve]

70. Huge full page ad in Seattle's Sunday paper

There was a disgusting full-page ad in today's Seattle Times , just to let you know what we're up against. Paid for by "the Building Industry Association of Washington". The big bold headline reads:
"ILLEGAL VOTES = ILLEGITIMATE RESULTS ... This isn't Ukraine, it's Washington" ( Can we borrow this campaign for Ohio please ?? )
It then goes on to say how King County (Seattle) disenfranchised voters ( some soldiers in Iraq who never received their ballots ).blah blah blah. Then quotes a recent KING 5 poll saying a majority of voters do not view the results of the election as legitimate and believe there should be another election. It also quotes former Gov/Sen. Dan Evans "These and the perception of other problems have created a real crisis of confidence about this election. A majority of voters do not accept the outcome of the hand count as legitimate. Frankly, I wouldn't want to govern in this situation. We need a revote to restore democratic integrity."
Abso-fucking-lutely unbelievable.

In big print at the bottom it states.."Washington's election system is broken. But you can help fix this mess." Then in bigger bold...
" RESTORE INTEGRITY, LEGITIMACY AND PUBLIC CONFIDENCE." Then...
" Visit www.revotewa.com and register your support for a new Governor's election! "( Any way to go and NOT register our support ?? )
Then states... "Call your state legislator at 1-800-562-6000. Ask them to support a revote in the Governor's race." ( I suppose we all could call and let them know about the Snohomish study by www.votersunite.org ). The full-page ad then ends with ... "Ukraine fixed its mess with a revote. Why can't Washington State ?"

I would add, why can't Ohio ?

This is what we're up against here. We need your help Du'ers !!

[Diane R]

72. On television, too.

Last night on ABC, during the Jets and Chargers football game (one of the jets grew up with my son!), right in the middle of the advertising is all of a sudden a beeping sound that a truck backing up would be. Then, a totally black screen, and the text from the post above.

Yes. They are now running ads on nation networks (although I assume it was just a Washington State buy).

They have unlimited money. Would you people outside this state PLEASE stop calling for a revote? WE don't want it. Revote your own state (if you have a democratic governor), but stop saying we should revote ours.

And, for the record: Of course Rossi is a neocon. He named his dog, 'Dubya'. Watch out for those wolves in sheeps clothing.

[Matariki]

71. just for the record

Rossi isn't a neocon. Glad he's not going to be governor but he's not a neocon. Unless you know something about him i haven't heard? i live in Seattle, so it matters to me.

[msongs]

73. Rossi is not a quitter like a recent Dems president candidate was...

and since the dems bend over and spread em anytime a repub says to, not surprised to see the demand for a revote.

How about 2 for 1. WA and OH

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm

[Dancing_Dave]

74. Only Revote if we've gotten all fraud and disenfranchisement issues

Fixed up and the system is perfectly auditable and transparent. Otherwise, the Repukes will just find a better way to rig the election this time.