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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:17 PM
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Kerry's teacups quote - as promissed
Kerry on stolen 2000 election: "It isn't going to change. Get over it."
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/connelly/129019_joel02.ht...
Wednesday, July 2, 2003
In The Northwest: Vietnam vet Kerry braves fire on White House trail
By JOEL CONNELLY
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER COLUMNIST
TACOMA -- In harm's way long ago as a gunboat officer in the Mekong
Delta of Vietnam, Sen. John Kerry still has an instinct for danger as
well as a seeming relish for being under fire.
<snip>
He (Kerry) is the one candidate in the race who can bring the Democratic
Party together," Rep. Adam Smith, D-Wash., said in introducing Kerry to
a Sunday gathering.
Kerry was tiptoeing on Sunday, but did go into how liberals shoot
themselves in the foot.
<snip>
He is impatient with Democratic oratory about the "stolen" election.
"Stop crying in your teacups," he told one audience. "It isn't going to
change. Get over it."
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:22 PM
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1. it was true then.... and it's true now....
let's get over it and move on.
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CindyDale Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:29 PM
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2. LOL -- what hype in the article
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robpopulace Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:33 PM
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3. Um, yeah...
Adam Smith said, John Kerry said, "get over it."

Like hell we will!
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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:36 PM
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4. Are we draggin out this shit again. It was a misquote then and is now.
You are either new enough not to know that we already argued this or taking advantage of unknowing members to sway people against Kerry. Which is it?
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:39 PM
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7. I was challenged to produce a link. I did. I remember all the
arguments at the time. Most of you said: he is right, you know?
To which I was responding: "Oh, yeah? and he is vaccinated against theft then?
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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:50 PM
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10. Oh god here we go again. Kerry said that so far after the election.
You re quoting him now as if to suggest that he would say it again right after losing. Other wise you would not be getting responses from people saying "No I will not get over it".

It matters when and now someone says something. Kerry was talking about picking yourself up dusting yourself and starting over again. He was talking about fighting. And he was right.

Now if what you are saying is that it is necessary to talk about fraud in order to prevent it in the future, then that quote has no meaning in your context because Kerry was not talking about Dems talking about fraud. He was talking about getting mired in self pity.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:38 PM
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5. There's some truth to this....
When Howard Dean was wiped out, he didn't do much crying in his teacups, instead, he re-grouped, built the impending juggernaut DFA and got some people elected.

It's disheartening though, that Kerry does not believe voter suppression, disenfranchisement and Republican sympathizers owning all the voting equipment had something to do with the election results.
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Political_Junkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:38 PM
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6. no retreat, no surrender
The point isn't to change the outcome, the point is to cast doubt on the outcome. Already, on this board, you can see the effects this would have. Before the stories of widespread BBV fraud came out people on this board were busy pointing fingers in every direction trying to figure out where we went wrong. WE DID NOT GO WRONG. Now those threads are a minimum, because we know that we were right in the way we fought this campaign.
Whether anything becomes of this or not, the American people deserve to know if there is even the remotest possibility that there were problems with these BBV machines. First of all, for the Blue voters and politicians, so they will know that they were not wrong. Second of all, for the Red voters and politicians, so they will know, that they are not the majority, and maybe, just maybe, get off their high horse a little.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:40 PM
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8. I absolutely agree. And if kerry doesn't, we need to.
It's crucial - for the future and for today - to dispute the kool-aid.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:42 PM
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9. Do you cry, or do you GET UP AND FIGHT?
That was Kerry's point then - he was quoted out of context.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:51 PM
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11. "get over it" doesn't say "fight" to me. And there's this:

I actually got invited to a Kerry fundraiser so I could talk to him
about it. (Diebold) I raised the issue directly with him and with Teresa. Teresa
was really indignant and really concerned, but Kerry just looked down
at me -- he's about 9 feet tall -- and I could tell it just didn't
register. It set off all his conspiracy-theory alarms and he just
wasn't listening.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2004/11/04/electio... /
index1.html
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 02:17 PM
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13. From Truthout Interview re "teacups"
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 02:19 PM by emulatorloo
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/122203A.shtml

<snip>

When I say 'Move on' from 2000, I'm as angry as anyone else. Votes ought to be counted. But my objective is to win. My objective is 'Don't get mad, get even.' They way you get even is to go out and take that agenda to the country and build a coalition around it.

<snip>

I don't see what is to be gained by flogging the "teacups" misquote all over DU --

at the time is was meant to energize people. If it surprises you that Kerry would be misquoted and misrepresented by the press, I don't know what to tell you.

It seems to me that this Voter Fraud thing is our fight. . .and I am doing what I can to try to bring attention to the issue.

I am not much impressed with Salon's Monday Morning Quarterbacking. Kerry's life and career and service didn't stop on Nov 3. We will see what we will see.


EDIT wierd punctuation
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:11 PM
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16. He didn't say Move on - he said "get over it". THEN AND NOW
really, don't you see any relevance to this bit of history to the present moment? None whatsoever?
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 09:37 AM
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17. I don't see the relevance of TRASHING DEMS nonstop on DU
I don't see how it helps us for the long hard battle we have ahead.

I'd rather spend my energy going after GWB Rove Cheney - The "Moral Men" who LIED AND MISREPRESENTED their way into the White House.

Enough of the circular firing squad. Just my humble opinion. . . . .
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 09:47 AM
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18. No firing quad. denouncing their surrender - so we can keep fighting
I am here fighting. I need to face those who say: "let's get religion, chase gays, ditch Roe vs Wade"
There's an answer to this crap: we won, we are the majority - we don't need to be assimilated. Kerry could have helped with this , he chose not to.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 10:31 AM
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20. Conason well worth reading - Dems lost the battle, not the war. . .
Democrats lost the battle, not the war
Only people suffering from historical amnesia could believe this election proves that liberalism is dead.


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
By Joe Conason


Nov. 6, 2004 |

In the dark post-election mood that lingers, the defeated should find history both restorative and instructive. Restorative because the past reminds us that both victors and vanquished tend to mistake the dimensions of the immediate event, whose true significance cannot be known until years or even decades later. Instructive because the past tells us so much about how the conditions of our present distress came to exist -- and, most important, how we can change them.

So for the moment set aside the triumphal proclamations from the Republican leadership and their echoes in the media, along with the petty recriminations against John Kerry, who has devoted his life to public service and deserves admiration for the honorable campaign he waged against unscrupulous opponents. As a presidential candidate he had his virtues and flaws, which obviously differed from those of George W. Bush -- and will surely differ from those of the next Democratic nominee.

<snip>

http://salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/11/06/history/ind...
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 02:10 PM
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12. Read this prescient piece re: crying in your teacups (Jan 2004)
1/21/04
"Crying in Your Teacups"
By David Podvin

Stop crying in your teacups. It isnt going to change. Get over it.

That was the response of John Kerry to a liberal who condemned the theft of the presidency by George W. Bush. If the sentiment sounds familiar, thats because it isnt original. Kerry borrowed his words from Americas vapid conservative posse for whom chanting the phrase Get over it constitutes a dazzling display of wit.

Plagiarizing witticisms from Ann Coulter is not an endearing trait for a potential Democratic presidential nominee. It is one thing for liberals who are still incensed about the stolen election to be treated contemptuously by right wing banshees it is an entirely different matter to incur such disdain from a man who seeks to be our champion.

But it is not unusual for Kerry to parrot the Republicans or be dismissive of liberal concerns. When members of the Congressional Black Caucus approached the senator for his support in challenging the Jim Crow tactics that subverted the 2000 presidential election, he told them to go away.
...

http://www.makethemaccountable.com/podvin/more/040124_S...

I was wary of John Kerry--there's proof in the DU archives. But after the primaries, I put aside my reservations and supported John Kerry with my money, my time, and my credibility in my community. Unless something changes, I will never get over this betrayal. I should have paid attention to the "Let them go windsurfing" message while I was working my tail off.

I have a lot more to say but I do not have the time right now because I am trying to deal with a terror-stricken draft-age son.

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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:38 PM
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14. I held my nose firmly. Explained my kid what a vote "against"
means - as opposed to what I did in the primaries.
I never trusted Kerry to do anything on war - he praised W for the preemption doctrine after SOTU.
It was the judges, the democracy that made me cast another stolen vote for this guy. I feel robbed on so many levels...
But bot surprised.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 10:45 AM
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23. Thank you for rebutting this ( I remember the challenges too)
There was no way we could of ever had the perfect candidate, and we all mostly remember how we got this one, so. It don't matter it just like your handle implies "robbedvoter" we are all one now. It's not who it was, it is what they have done.

Many times you can find your self repulsed by having to defend people you don't like, but defending principle is much more important than if you think the person is redeemable. Protecting the whole by protecting the individual this is not a new concept

Thanks for being there robbedvoter
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:54 PM
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15. I really don't want to believe this!
I am feeling sick right now, did we volunteer non-stop, donate money to a candidate that could be so cold?

Did he quit? Is he simply another player in the M.I.C.? I don't know anymore but we need to find out if this election was a fraud.

I also have 3 sons that aren't feeling so safe right now, hang in there.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 10:01 AM
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19. Podvin is LYING about what Kerry said. He took it out of context just
as purposefully as anything Rove did in his campaign ads.

Funny, how they refuse to add the rest of the story. Kerry was ASKED about 2000 at a Dem ACTIVIST dinner in Washington and his reply was a bit longer. He said it was about moving AHEAD and getting ACTIVE.

He received a STANDING OVATION from the Dem activists there who heard him. Only when that quote was used in a story, separate from the whole story, did people who were working AGAINST Kerry at the time use it to twist it into an issue against him.

I voted for the 87 billion before I voted against it. Exactly what a Senator does when bills are being debated. But, Republicans counted on the ignorance of the masses to use that quote against Kerry.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 10:33 AM
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21. Karl Rove pooped in my teacup; Thanks BLM for setting the record straight
:toast:
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 10:37 AM
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22. I wish you had a $1 for every time you've had to provide context for this
Edited on Sun Nov-07-04 10:38 AM by Karmadillo
Thanks for having the patience to post it once again. It baffles me why some of us feel the need to subject our own to Limbaugh-like assaults. Maybe when they've finished with the teacups distortion, they can raise the issue of Purple Hearts and Skull & Bones.

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Xenus Sister Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 11:04 AM
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24. Many people are fairly new, we need the truth
There's no harm in offering the truth 10-50-1000 times, just so people will know.

I never heard anything about the "teacup" until this thread. I open the thread and I hear that he said "get over it" (SHOCK, ANGER), then I hear that he was taken out of context (CONFUSION, QUESTIONING).

Quit complaining that you or someone else has to set the record straight. Keep setting the record straight.

The other side are the distorters and liars. Our side should be making sure that people have the truth.

It's hard enough to know the truth of a million and one things. It's going to be harder if people give up correcting lies and distortions, no matter who they're coming from.

Off-topic, but related: I quit watching Democracy Now! when I heard Amy Goodman say that Kerry "voted for the war." I mean, F*CKING HELL!! If someone with so much influence on OUR side can't even tell or doesn't understand the truth, why should I listen to ANYTHING she says? Our media is just like their media, you can't believe everything you hear. Check various sources and THINK.

And keep on telling the truth.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 11:10 AM
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25. I'm not complaining. In fact, I thanked blm for her efforts. I do think,
however, people should read and think a little bit before they post and say crap that isn't true, especially when it's about our own candidates. A little research at DU or Google on the teacups quote would prevent it from presented in attack form.
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