Not political suicide for senators to join in

[zapped 1]

Think of the 50 million plus voters who are walking around depressed right now feeling like they are in the minority and that they are Losers. Yes, some of them feel it was stolen, but most probably think it was fair and square and don't know about DU and other sites .

Conyers isn't being attacked not because he isn't respected. Quite the contrary. He is well repected and admired from both repubs and Dems alike, as well as the People. The other reason (hopefully) is that he really does have the smoking gun and they are runnung very scared.
But lets say he has the same info that we share here. Making those facts known to the American people, especially the majority that in fact voted for Kerry, would have a tremendously empowering affect for them. Their resect for Conyers is already high. Any Senator who does the right thing on Jan 6 and joins Conyers will gain tremendous respect from the voters, even if there is no smoking gun.

I totally disagree with the poster who thinks that the CBC is looked down upon, btw. I do believe that they make alot of their colleagues feel guilty and not worthy, but that's a subject for another time.

[purduejake]

1. Hmmm, I feel a plane crash coming.

Seems to happen to the best.

[zapped 1]

2. JFK JR.

Did you know that John Kennedy Jr. was considering a run shortly before his plane accident. This was according to Republican admirerer Sen. Aldonse D'mato. JFK jr. would have easily whipped anyone's ass.

[IndyOp]

5. Okay - so this post knocked the breath out of me... :-( (n/t)

[zapped 1]

7. sorry...

..i had to respond to the post preceding it. Let's keep on the subject of POLITICAL suicide, folks!

[FULL_METAL_HAT]

6. Newest Madsen mentions JFK Jr.

On DU: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=217901#218005

Direct: http://jamboi.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/31/175217/25

This list is very depressing:

Gary Webb was investigating ACS and contract fraud in CA when he committed suicide on Dec. 10. We also know that Florida DOT investigator Ray Lemme committed suicide in 2003 when he was investigating fraud involving Yang and the FL state government. House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Executive Director John Millis committed suicide in 2000 when he was investigating CIA ties to Latin American drug cartels, links that involved the Bush family. State Dept. Iraq intelligence analyst John Kokal committed suicide in late 2003 after he questioned the attack on Iraq. Former CIA official Dr Gus Weiss committed suicide after he, too, questioned the attack on Iraq in late 2003. Dr David Kelly of Britain's MOD committed suicide after he questioned the validity of Iraq WMD reports. Danny Casolaro committed suicide in 1991 after he investigated Bush ties to weapons smuggling and drug deals. Paul Wilcher, a friend of Sarah McClendon, died in his apartment after he picked up on some of Casolaro's research. Charles Ruff and HPSCI's ranking member Julian Dixon dropped dead only weeks apart after being briefed by Millis on CIA-Bush-drug connection. What was Gary Condit, also of HPSCI, briefed on by Millis? What did Condit tell his friend Chandra Levy, an intern for the Federal Bureau of Prisons. Or what did he ask he to find out for him through her Bureau contacts? John F Kennedy Jr was working on a Bush-CIA-covert ops story for his George Magazine when his plane crashed. And what did poor Lori Klausutis discover before her body was discovered in Jan. 2001 in the FL office of GOP Congressman Joe Scarborough (the MSNBC colleague of someone who has made it his cause to rip apart my reporting on this election story)? Cliff Baxter, chief Enron witness for the govt. shot himself before he testified. John Tower had the goods on the Bushes, but his commuter plane crashed and killed him, his daughter and several other passengers. Paul Wellstone and his family and staff? Mel Carnahan? Bush biograopher JH Hatfield? Athan Gibbs, the founder of TruVote International, the only clean election machine company. And the list goes on and on. At least those who are merely being fired -- the latest being the Pentagon's Jack Shaw, are getting the easier "treatment" from the Bush Mafia.

[femme.democratique]

13. Yes, thats exactly why he was "offed"

He would have beat Junior in a landslide, no question about it. And Poppy and the BFEE couldn't allow ANOTHER liberal Kennedy a shot at it...

[Pam-Moby]

Time will tell

[cyberpj]

14. Or the sudden "shot to the head" suicides

quite of few of those lately -

and a couple of 'run off the road' accidents, too.

[Liberty Belle]

3. We must argue it's political suicide NOT to contest.

I wrote my Senator and Representative that I will campaign against them in the next primary election if they don't stand up to contest this fraudulent election. I urge all of you to do the same.

If these cowards perceive that they will lose their base by staying silent, we can convince them that the "safe" move is to contest the election.

[zapped 1]

4. kick for positive reunforcement !

[EFerrari]

8. kick because you're right.

[s-cubed]

9. Here's part of my letter - there's a veiled threat or two:

"I remember the shame I felt in January 2001, watching as only a few brave Congressmen and not a single Senator stood up to reject the Florida electoral votes. We all - whatever our politics - knew the Florida election was flawed, but we Americans accepted the decison of the Supreme Court, expecting Congress to protect our right to vote and have our votes be counted, to honor that oath. While HAVA improved the process somewhat, the act had fatal flaws that made it possible to do election fraud on a scale never imagined before.

On January 6th, 2005, some courageous men and women have promised to stand up for our democracy, for our beloved country, to honor their oaths. Please stand with them, proudly, to reject the illegitimate electoral votes from Ohio, as well as from Florida and New Mexico. This January 6th, there will be one major difference vs. 2001: this time, we have the evidence, and it WILL come out. The press has been very cautious so far, but not for long: a tidal wave is fast approaching the halls of Congress.

History will not be kind to those who refuse to stand up for democracy this time, for that refusal will be a final nail in the coffin of the freedoms we hold so dear. There are those who have expressed a fear that exposing the corruption in our election process will lead to a constitutional crisis: I say that is far better than to let our country sink into a sham democracy. One of your colleagues in the House paraphrased Stalin's sentiments perfectly: "The election's over. We won. We count the votes." Free, fair, honest, meaningful elections are at the core of our democracy: they are what our ancestors fought and died to obtain. Can we - can you - do no less?

I will be outside the Capitol on January 6th with thousands of other patriots, waiting for your decision. This year, I hope we will not be shamed by the infant democracy ot the Ukraine, that we can make our democracy work within the rule of law, that our representatives will not fail us."

[Carolab]

17. You watched that?

Where was it televised? I had never seen it until it was in Fahrenheit 9-11.

[glitch]

18. C-Span showed it. It was awful to watch in real time. nt

[Liberty Belle]

22. Great letter! I wish I could be in DC. , too.

[pointsoflight]

20. Exactly.

I have written letters exactly like this, telling the reps in my state that they will NOT get my vote in the next election if they don't stand and a protect voters.

[Amaryllis]

10. Political suicide if they DON'T contest. They need to know what is going

to happen to their activist base if they don't contest. We support those who support our fight to save our elections. And you are right; all those who think it was or may have been stolen,like my two neighbors, for example, but who don't know there is anything that can be done or is being done...they would love it. Over half the voters voted for Kerry!

[liam97]

11. exactly!

they need people to support them and pay for their senate seats

[femme.democratique]

12. I agree. There are 60 million of us out here that feel left behind

(60 million because I believe the vote count was inverted from the reported results)

The Dems should understand that they can band together in this cause, say if 10 senators joined in a coalition, it would make it more attractive for others to join in. 60 million of us know that only bad things await us and that we have no visible leadership.

The Democratic senators need to realize that and they should use this legal process as a tool to nail this election fraud down and in the process show the 60 million who may have lost faith that something is working for them. NOT to do so would be political suicide, especially if they build a coalition. If we had a coalition like this the media would begin to report on it.

[sepia_steel]

15. Kick and thank you.

I'm so sick of people who are more concerned over what will happen to people if they stand up for what's right and contest. It's their JOB. IF they don't do what's right, I'll be voting 3rd Party next time.

[sepia_steel]

16. kick.

[Senator]

19. The CBC are without-a-doubt HEROS >>>

...to the real Democratic party base.

They certainly have their detractors among the DC/Media Analstocracy (which includes many DC Dems), but among the regular party rank and file Farenheit 9-11 immortalized their heroics.

You may have been one of those exiting the theater in a daze, or (like me) waiting outside the theater with MoveOn flyers, but most of you know that the "convential wisdom" coverage of the film was totally silent on the real impact.

It had very little to do with Bush/Saudi connection theories, or graphic images from the elective war. The most consistent comment we heard over that weekend had to do with January 6th, 2001. "Why didn't we know?... I'll never forgive my Senator...Thank God for the CBC"

This was no surprise to us at thedeanpeople.

We have been "on this issue" for 4 years now, and at every event, seminar, meeting, Q&A, book signing etc where the "stolen election" and/or the CBC were mentioned, there was a tsunami of applause -- just for the break in the national silence (complicity) about it.

This nearly always occurred to the bewilderment of those still unable to see the elephant on the dais next to them.

We've all worked together and succeeded in pushing the elephant right into the Senate Chamber. If they still refuse to see it, we'll just have to train it to take a dump on them.

___
www.thedeanpeople.org

[emlev]

21. Why do we think Senators would tell us in advance...

... that they were going to contest? It seems to me a defensible strategy to keep it quiet.

[Bill Bored]

23. I agree, esp. if a LOT of 'em do it.

They should go and sing God Bless America on the frickin' Capitol steps too!

[elizm]

24. OR...Maybe Dem. Senators...

are thinking they can just pull a Zell Miller and defect to the Republican side to save their hides...and their jobs.