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Ithuilwen Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 10:49 PM
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"I bid you stand, Men of the West!"
I am sixteen. For the sake of my future, I cannot allow myself to believe that Bush won this election fair and square, that the majority of Americans are closeminded bigots, that this country is conservative at heart. I have had a hard time of late clinging to my idealism and hope (naive as it may be) that there is at least some inherent good in mankind.

So, to rally our faith in why we supported John Kerry for president, and why we're all here as members of this forum, I quote a speech given by Aragorn in the Lord of the Rings movies:

Hold your ground! Hold your ground.

Sons of Gondor, of Rohan, my brothers,

I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me.

A day may come when the courage of men fails,

when we forsake our friends

and break all bonds of fellowship,

but it is not this day.

An hour of wolves and shattered shields,

when the age of men comes crashing down,

but it is not this day.

This day we fight!

For all that you hold dear on this good Earth,

I bid you stand, Men of the West!!


http://www.americanrhetoric.com/mp3clips/newmoviespeeches/moviespeechreturnoftheking.mp3
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 10:53 PM
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1. I'm a lover, not a fighter...
wait...was.
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Maine-i-acs Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 10:55 PM
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2. Longfellow said it thusly:
(in a Christmas poem, during the civil war ... verse 3:)

And in despair I bow'd my head:
"There is no peace on earth", I said,
"For hate is strong, and mocks the song
Of peace on earth, good will to men."

Then pealed the bells more loud and deep,
"God is not dead, nor doth he sleep;
The wrong shall fail, the right prevail,
With peace on earth, good will to men."
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 11:33 AM
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18. and Margaret Mead
"Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world.
For, indeed, that's all who ever have."
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 11:44 AM
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19. and Martin Luther King
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people.

A lie cannot live.

A man who won't die for something is not fit to live.

A nation or civilization that continues to produce soft-minded men purchases its own spiritual death on the installment plan.

A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual doom.

A right delayed is a right denied.

All progress is precarious, and the solution of one problem brings us face to face with another problem.

Almost always, the creative dedicated minority has made the world better.

An individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law.

Before the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth, we were here. Before the pen of Jefferson etched across the pages of history the majestic words of the Declaration of Independence, we were here. If the inexpressible cruelties of slavery could not stop us, the opposition we now face will surely fail.

Change does not roll in on the wheels of inevitability, but comes through continuous struggle. And so we must straighten our backs and work for our freedom. A man can't ride you unless your back is bent.

Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree.

Every man must decide whether he will walk in the light of creative altruism or in the darkness of destructive selfishness.

Everybody can be great... because anybody can serve. You don't have to have a college degree to serve. You don't have to make your subject and verb agree to serve. You only need a heart full of grace. A soul generated by love.

Everything that we see is a shadow cast by that which we do not see.

Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole staircase.

Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed.

From the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire, let freedom ring. From the mighty mountains of New York, let freedom ring. From the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania, let freedom ring. But not only that: Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of Mississippi.

He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it.

Human progress is neither automatic nor inevitable... Every step toward the goal of justice requires sacrifice, suffering, and struggle; the tireless exertions and passionate concern of dedicated individuals.

Human salvation lies in the hands of the creatively maladjusted.

I am not interested in power for power's sake, but I'm interested in power that is moral, that is right and that is good.

I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word in reality. This is why right, temporarily defeated, is stronger than evil triumphant.

I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality... I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word.

I submit that an individual who breaks the law that conscience tells him is unjust and willingly accepts the penalty by staying in jail to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the very highest respect for law.

If we are to go forward, we must go back and rediscover those precious values - that all reality hinges on moral foundations and that all reality has spiritual control.

If you will protest courageously, and yet with dignity and Christian love, when the history books are written in future generations, the historians will have to pause and say, "There lived a great people - a black people - who injected new meaning and dignity into the veins of civilization."

In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.

Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhwre. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.

Law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 11:02 PM
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3. A 16 year old shall lead us!
This from Les Miserables:

Do you hear the people sing?
Singing a song of angry men?
It is the music of a people
Who will not be slaves again!
When the beating of your heart
Echoes the beating of the drums
There is a life about to start
When tomorrow comes!

Will you join in our crusade?
Who will be strong and stand with me?
Beyond the barricade
Is there a world you long to see?
Courfeyrac:
Then join in the fight
That will give you the right to be free!

Thank you, young 16 year old. You gave me goosebumps that won't stop.

Be angry friends, be very angry! And stay that way until we have our country back.
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Ithuilwen Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 11:14 PM
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4. Why, you're very welcome!
Perhaps this thread should develop into a quotations thread? It would seem there have already been two additions!
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 11:42 PM
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7. Here's another quotations thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1450883

If you aren't already familiar with "Desiderata," which is given in its entirety in Message #11 in that thread, I do recommend it to you.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 11:37 PM
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5. Welcome!
We are all best served by listening to people of ALL ages, for each age has something unique to say. We need all these perpectives to see the whole picture, make the best plans, and hold on to our hope and energy when times are hardest.

One of the tasks that often falls to the youngest is to keep our idealism going. It tends to be harder to keep that fire lit and fight cynicism as one grows older. Combining the wisdom of experience with the energy, idealism and boundless creative imagination of youth is a winning combination.

I'm glad you're with us Ithuilwen.

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ivorysteve Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 11:40 PM
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6. Excellent post! But who is ...
I got the extended DVD of the third film for christmas, and after reading these posts for months, watching the film, it was OBVIOUS the whole story was a metaphor for voter fraud! I just had to work out the characters...

Rove = (Sauron? Or Gollum??)
Bush = Saruman (seems too generous. Maybe Wormtongue...)
Frodo = (Arnebeck? Or is Sam Arnebeck and Frodo is DU?)
Aragorn = Kerry?
The Roherin = the Dems
The Elves = the Greens
Orcs = Repukes
Oracai = Neo-cons

It's all there. Somehow, Tolkien KNEW ... :-)


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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 11:48 PM
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8. you're going to be in big trouble ...
... with the LOTR fans, calling them "oracai" -- they're Uruk Hai!
:spank:
But I do agree that they resemble the neocons -- except that they're better looking!

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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:37 AM
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10. Rove not Gollum
Gollum was schitzoid, had an evil side annd a not-so-evil side, unwittingly or not he helped the good guys and saved the kingdom. Rove has only an evil side, he would never help the good guys.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 03:20 AM
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15. Yep. Rove is definitely Sauron. Did you ever hear where Viggo Mortensen
said that a couple of the neo-cons were servants of Sauron? He named a couple of them specifically; I think Rumsfeld was one but I can't remember for sure. Anybody hear that?

Rove is Sauron, Bush is his puppet Saruman.
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FreeCajun Donating Member (167 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 11:20 AM
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17. Gollum = Bush
Twisted little creature, poor little thing. There might have been a human heart in there once. His grasp for power will bring the whole Black Tower of Corporate greed down.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 12:25 PM
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20. ha ha!
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FreeCajun Donating Member (167 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:09 PM
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21. AWESOME!
:kick:
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:51 AM
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12. Oh-oh...
I see this going somewhere.


Kerrygorn: "This day does not belong to one man."

C. Arnebaggins (code-named "Fraudo"): "It's such a burden."

Dubyathor: "I know of this 'Kerrygorn.' And I tell you I will not bow to this liberal from the North, last of a ragged party long bereft of lordship!"
Gandalf (Uncle Sam?): "Authority is not given you to deny the election!"
Dubyathor: "The rule of America is MINE and no other's!"

Hmmm...
Mordor = Floridor
Mount Doom = Mount Diebold
Cirith Ungol = Cirith Undercount
Ohio = ???



Three Rings for Lobbyists, bribes sky-high,
Seven for Congressmen in the hall of stone
Nine for the Cabinet, loyal till they die
One for the Mastermind on his dark throne
In the land of Floridor where the shadows lie.
One Ring to hack them all, One Ring to cheat them
One Ring to steal them all and in the dark defeat them
In the land of Floridor where the shadows lie.


:party: :crazy: :silly:
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Ithuilwen Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:50 AM
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16. LOL! Very clever! nt
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dooner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:13 AM
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9. Great words
Thanks for the inspiration.

It's amazing how easy it is to lose hope... then with just a little light and leadership we can push forward.

(But where are all the democratic leaders and want-to-be leaders we heard so much from in the pre-election period? Why the silence?)

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:50 AM
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11. You are a very good youth!!! It makes me very happy to know
that the demographic for 2006 will include today's 16 year olds (I hope you) and that 2008 will include today's 14 year olds.

:yourock: TOTALLY
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 03:06 AM
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13. I love that! I have been watching LOTR since the election and I keep
Edited on Thu Dec-30-04 03:28 AM by Amaryllis
seeing the parallels to what we are dealing with in the story.
It's classic good vs. evil and it is truly a metaphor for us. It gives me hope and inspires me. That part in the extended edition right after they talk to the King of the Dead and Aragorn doesn't think they will help, and he sees the Corsair ships burning the villages and he's tried every last thing he can think of, and he just falls to his knees...and has that look on his face like he just can't do it any more, and Legolas puts his hand on Aragorn's shoulder...so many times it looks like it's all over but they just keep on going anyway.

They never never never give up. It inspires me no end to just keep on keeping on. What good timing it was for us, the extended edition coming out now.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 03:09 AM
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14. Have you seen this? It explains EVERYTHING! Go here and scroll down to
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