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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 11:11 PM
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The SCOOP/Simon exit poll breakthrough - more true than ever.
Edited on Wed Dec-22-04 12:04 AM by TruthIsAll
It's good to look back on this story in light of the
subsequent analysis I and others have done. I am printing the
SCOOP/Simon story in full and have taken the liberty of
highlighting what I believe to be the most important
information in caps.

Here is the full Scoop/Simon exit poll story. I used the data
in my subsequent probability analysis, with a minor adjustment
made to normalize by ignoring third party's. Thus the state
totals for Bush and Kerry would equal 100%. I did this in
order to utilize the poll numbers in the Election Model, which
was two-party based.
 
The Simon data was a breakthrough and I wanted to use it fully
to calculate the probability of these exit poll/vote tally
discrepancies, and do it by taking all the states into
account. 

The four basic steps were:

1. Calculate the MOE for each state based on the polling
sample size. This was easily accomplished. 
The MOE = 1/sqrt(N), where N is the polling sample size. 
In Florida, with 2846 polled, the MOE = 1/sqrt(2846) = 1.84%.

2. Compare the MOE in each state to the Bush vote tallies to
determine in how many states the tallies exceeded the MOE. 
The vote tallies exceeded the MOE in 16 out of 51 states
(incl. DC). 

3. Specify the probability of exceeding the MOE in each state.

Using the standard 95% confidence interval, the probability is
2.5% (1 out of 40) that the MOE in any state would be exceeded
for Bush. 

4. Calculate odds that Bush's vote tallies would exceed the
MOE in AT LEAST 16 states.

This requires the EXCEL BINOMIAL DISTRIBUTION FUNCTION.
The Probability P = 1- NORMDIST (15,51,.025, TRUE) =
7.382983E-14

The odds of this result occurring due to CHANCE alone is 1/P
or 
             **** ONE in 13.5 TRILLION ****

One final piece of information, especially for those who say
that the exit polls were incomplete and therefore the
probability analysis given above is not valid. 

At 8PM on election day, journalists were aware that Kerry was
leading in the Exit Polls by 3% (51-48). The polling was 63%
COMPLETE at the time with 71,000 of the final 113,000 total. 

To reverse Kerry's 51-48 margin to a Bush 51-48 margin, Bush
needed to win 56.0% of the remaining 42,000 yet to be polled.
He would have had to essentially reverse Kerry's 3% margin to
a Bush 12% margin of 56-44. That's a 15% last minute swing. 

No one is that lucky.
****************************************************************

Now the SCOOP breakthrough, with my summaries in caps:
http://0-www.scoop.co.nz.opac.library.usyd.edu.au/mason/stories/HL0411/S00227.htm

47 State Exit Poll Analysis Confirms Swing Anomaly

By Jonathan Simon 
Introduction by Scoop Co-Editor Alastair Thompson

By the time of the close of polls at around 5pm EST on
election day the buzz on the world wide web – including here
at Scoop - was that Kerry had was a shoe in for election 2004.
Slate Magazine and the Daily Kos had published the swing state
exit polls before the polls had even closed. The news was very
good for Kerry supporters. 

THE EXIT POLLS HAD KERRY LEADING BUSH IN FL AND OH
***************************************************************
According to the exit polls Kerry was showing a 1% popular
vote margin over Bush. But more importantly he was shown
leading by a nose in Florida and a solid 4% in Ohio. Because
of the way the Electoral College system works this meant that
he had almost certainly won. 

THE POLLS HAD SIGNIFICANT-SIZED SAMPLES IN ALL STATES
*******************************************************
The polls have significant sized samples in all states and ask
actual voters who they actually voted for and so are
traditionally very accurate. 

As we now know they weren't very accurate once midnight came
and went. 

Or were they? 
On November 4 (NZT – Nov. 3 EST) Scoop published Faun Otter:
Vote Fraud - Exit Polls Vs Actuals. This was the first exit
poll comparison analysis produced on the web it originated in
the Democratic Underground, a forum website, for Democratic
Party activism and the clubhouse for a lot of people doing
grassroots research work. 

Faun Otter's data - already immortalised in the Wikipedia
(with a link to Scoop.co.nz) - showed swing states moving far
further on average from their exit poll results than non-swing
states after the polls closed. I.E. the actual result for
these states was more at variance with the exit polls than it
was in other states. 
Alarm bells rang at this point because it has always been
postulated that looking at exit poll results after a stolen
election would be the best way to look for "general"
evidence of voting fraud. By general evidence I mean evidence
that suggests fraud has occurred – not proof that it has. 

TRADITIONALLY, EXIT POLLS HAVE BEEN ACCURATE TO ABOUT 2%
***************************************************************
The reason this is so is that traditionally exit polls have
been close to 2% accurate. Yet in the last three elections,
2000, 2002 and 2004 they haven't been. This years poll
remarkably is almost precisely a re-run of 2000 with Ohio
playing the part of Florida. In Florida in 2000 the exit polls
showed Gore winning by 3%. In the middle of the night they
were still counting and on this state alone hinged the entire
election. 

In 2004 just like in 2000 Fox news called Ohio to Bush before
the counting had finished. 


Because exit polls are such a good research tool for vote
fraud analysis an organisation called PollWatch.org was even
set up to conduct independent exit polls. By election time
their efforts had been subsumed into the efforts of
VerifiedVoting.org, a lobby organisation initiated by Stanford
University Professor David Dill which signed up thousands of
computer scientists and academics to a petition calling for
auditable voting machines. 

However the activists were caught off guard on election night.


CNBC, FOX AND CNN WERE CONSTANTLY UPDATING THEIR EXIT POLL
DATABASES TO FIT THE FINAL RESULTS
*******************************************************************
The Official Exit Poll results – posted in real time on public
websites - have some significant drawbacks. Unbeknownst to
their readers CNBC, Fox News and CNN were constantly updating
their exit poll databases to fit the final results. That is
the statistics were fluid and were updated several times
through the evening. By 2am in the morning on Nov 3, If you
looked at the exit polls and the final results you would find
the matched. For Ohio, for Florida, for everywhere. No story
there people. Move on. 

THE WP REPORTED A EDISON/MITOFSKY SERVER "GLITCH"
BARELY MINUTES BEFORE THE CONSORTIUM WAS TO UPDATE ITS EXIT
POLLING RESULTS.
JOURNALISTS WERE LEFT WITH PRELIMINARY EXIT POLL RESULTS AT
8:15 PM, WHICH STILL SHOWED KERRY AHEAD BY 3%.
*****************************************************************
But as often seems to happen in these tortured times,
something unexpected happened and so we can now tell you
something close to the full story.' 

The Washington post takes up the story: 

Washington Post 11/4/2004: 
"... a server at Edison/Mitofsky malfunctioned shortly
before 11 p.m. The glitch prevented access to any exit poll
results until technicians got a backup system operational at
1:33 a.m. yesterday. 
The crash occurred barely minutes before the consortium was to
update its exit polling with the results of later interviewing
that found Bush with a one-point lead. Instead, journalists
were left relying on preliminary exit poll results released at
8:15 p.m., which still showed Kerry ahead by three percentage
points. 

It was only after the polls had closed in most states and the
vote count was well underway in the East that it became clear
that Bush was in a stronger position in several key
battlegrounds, including Ohio, than early exit polls
suggested."

By 2am on Nov. 3 in the morning the publicly available exit
poll results on the network news sites all changed. Activists
still had the original results posted in blogs but they were
no real comparison. 

Which is why the following data study by Jonathan Simon of
verifiedvoting.org is so remarkable. 

AROUND 12:20 AM, SIMON DOWNLOADED AS MUCH DATA AS HE COULD OFF
PUBLICLY AVAILABLE SITES 
********************************************************************
As it turns out this study was only possible because of the
computer crash reported by the Washington Post. While the
boffins fiddled with their computers Simon – with a
considerable degree of foresight - downloaded as much data as
he could off the publicly available sites. 

The revision number of this data is not known and the original
data – from Edison - is now being sought by Scoop.co.nz in
order to repeat this study with the full 4pm and 8pm data
runs. 

I conclude this introduction with some remarks from Chuck, who
was commenting on Simon's results. 

MITOFSKY SAID HE KNEW THAT THE EXIT POLLS WERE OFF IN THE
AFTERNOON IN NINE STATES. WHY WOULD HE NOT ISSUE A CAVEAT?
**************************************************************
"Warren Mitofsky meanwhile says that he knew in the
afternoon that his exit polls were off in nine states, but
this does not sit well with me (I'd need to know how he would
know at that point and, assuming he knew, why he would go
ahead and promulgate them without caveat?). 

Way too much work went into getting the exit polls right this
time for me to just accept that they can't do as well as they
were doing routinely in the 80s and 90s. It is not, like
stained glass, a lost art."

Way too much indeed. 
- Alastair Thompson Scoop Co Editor Thursday, 11 November 2004

*** ##### ****

To Those Who Seek Information As A Basis For Action Regarding
Bush's "Victory":

By Jonathan Simon
Thursday, 11 November 2004

I examined the discrepancies between the actual vote
tabulations as reported and the Edison/Mitofsky exit poll
results in 47 states, incl. D.C. (in 4 states—New Jersey, New
York, North Carolina,Virginia—I did not have early exit poll
results available, and the later results had already been
amended to reflect input of actual vote totals, which rendered
them corrupt as exit polls and useless for the purpose of
checking the veracity of actual vote totals). 

AN OVERALL, NON-UNIFORM RED SHIFT TO BUSH. 
IN THE SAFE (35) STATES, THERE WAS A +1.4% SHIFT
*************************************************************
I noticed an overall red shift (to Bush) across the spectrum
of states, but the shift was significantly nonuniform. 
Having divided the 47 states examined into two groups, 35
noncritical states and 12 critical or suspect states (Nebraska
included because of ES&S control and prior anomalies even
though not a battleground state). 

I calculated that the average discrepancy in the 35 safe
states was a +1.4% red shift, that is the average of the vote
totals in each state was 1.4% more favorable to Bush than what
the exit polls predicted (= total movement of 2.8%). 

IN THE CRITICAL (12) STATES, THERE WAS A 2.5% SHIFT
*****************************************************************
In the 12 critical states
(CO,FL,MI,MN,NE,NV,NH,NM,OH,PA,WI,IA) the average discrepancy
was a 2.5% red shift (= total movement of 5.0%), nearly twice
that in the safe states. This in spite of the fact that the
average sample size in the critical states was nearly twice
that in the noncritical states and should have produced
significantly more accurate results. 

ASSUMING A 3% MOE AND 95% CONFIDENCE INTERNAL, THE RED SHIFT
EXCEEDED THE MARGIN OF ERROR IN 4 OF 12 CRITICAL STATES
*****************************************************************
Further, assuming a 3% margin of error and 95% confidence
interval for each state poll (the standard Mitofksy protocol,
but a conservative assumption here, since the sample sizes
were significantly increased in critical states), the red
shift exceeded the margin of error in 4 of the 12 critical
states (and equalled it in a fifth). 

The chance of this occurring in 4 of the 12 states in the
absence of "mistabulation" can be computed using a
simple probability equation and is approximately 0.002 or one
in five-hundred. It's a relatively crude analysis and better
analysis would have to wait on more complete data, but
basically what it's telling us is that we can say with 99.8%
certainty that "mistabulation" played some
significant role in this election. 
Critical States (12)
********************************************************************

DATA DESCRIPTION
Exit Poll Data Bush% then Kerry%, # of respondents, then time
of poll ET, and "Red" Shift%

Note: Red Shift = <(Btab% - Bep%) + (Kep% - Ktab)>/2
tab= tabulated vote, ep=exit poll 

The number is positive with net movement toward Bush, negative
(blue shift) with net movement toward Kerry. I'll take Florida
(early) as an example: 

Exit Poll % : B=49.8% K=49.7%
Tab (99% precincts) B=52% K=47%
Red Shift: <(52% - 49.8%) + (49.7% - 47%)>/2 = (2.2% +
2.7%)/2 = +2.5%

I'm aware that I've played fast and loose with significant
figures; a more refined analysis would get at least one more
sig fig out of the tabulated. 

Critical States (12)
FINDING: 12 (Critical) State Average Red Shift +2.5% 
State	BUSH	KERRY	#Resp	Time	Red Shift
Colorado	49.9	48.1	2515	12:24AM	2.60%
Florida	49.8	49.7	2846	12:21	2.5
*Florida	51.4	47.6	2862	1:01	0.6
Michigan	46.5	51.5	2452	12:21	1
Minnesota	44.5	53.5	2178	12:23	3
Nebraska	62.5	36	785	12:22	4.3
Nevada	47.9	49.2	2116	12:23	2.2
New Hamp.	44.1	54.9	1849	12:24	4.9
New Mex.	47.5	50.1	1951	12:24	1.9
Ohio	47.9	52.1	1963	7:32PM	3.1
*Ohio	50.9	48.6	2020	1:41AM	0.3
Penn	45.4	54.1	1930	12:21	3.4
Wisconsin	48.8	49.2	2223	12:21	(-)0.3
Iowa	48.4	49.7	2502	12:23	2
(Nebraska included because "critical" because of
ES&S dominance and history)

Important Note: Because of rolling updates, some states may
have been relatively pure by the time this data was collected.
at 12:20-12:25, while others may already have been slightly
corrupted. My guess is that most of these states were still OK
at these times. 

*NOTE SCOOP IS SEEKING A COPY OF THE ORIGINAL DATA FROM 4PM
AND 8PM ON ELECTION NIGHT – WATCH THIS SPACE* 
**************************************************************
Non-Critical States (35)
Again data order is Exit Poll Data, Bush% then Kerry%, # of
respondents, then time of poll ET, and "Red" Shift% 
FINDING: 35 (NonCritical) State Average Red Shift +1.4 
State	BUSH	KERRY	#Resp	Time	Red Shift
Alabama	58.1	40.5	730	12:17AM	4.2
Alaska	57.8	38.8	910	01:00AM	4
Arizona	52.8	46.7	1859	12:19	2.5
Arkansas	52.9	46.1	1402	12:22	1.1
Calif	46.6	54.6	1919	12:23	(-)1.5
CT	40.9	57.7	872	12:22	3.4
(CT	44.4	54.7	872	12:53)	0.2
DC	8.2	89.8	795	12:22	0.3
Delaware	40.7	57.3	770	12:22	4.8
Georgia	56.6	42.9	1536	12:22	2.2
Hawaii	46.7	53.3	499	12:22	(-)1.2
Idaho	65.7	32.9	559	12:22	2.6
Illinois	42.4	56.6	1392	12:23	1.6
Indiana	58.4	40.6	926	12:22	1.6
Kansas	64.5	34.1	654	12:22	(-)2.7
Kentucky	58.4	40.2	1034	12:22	0.9
Louisiana	54.7	43.9	1669	12:21	2.1
Maine	44.3	53.8	1968	12:22	0.8
Maryland	42.3	56.2	1000	12:22	0.5
Mass	32.9	65.2	889	12:22	3.7
Miss	56.5	43	798	12:22	3.3
Missouri	52	47	2158	12:21	1.5
Montana	58	37.5	640	12:22	(-)0.3
ND	64.4	32.6	649	12:22	(-)2.4
OK	65	34.6	1539	12:23	0.8
Oregon	47.9	50.3	1064	12:22	(-)1.3
RI	34.9	62.7	809	12:22	3.4
SC	53.4	45.1	1735	12:24	4.4
SD	61	36.5	1495	12:24	(-)1.8
Tenn	58	40.6	1774	12:23	(-)1.7
Texas	62.2	36.3	1671	12:22	(-)2.0
Utah	68.1	29.1	798	12:22	2.5
Vermont	33.3	63.7	685	12:22	5.2
Wash	44	54.1	2123	12:38	1.6
WV	54	44.5	1722	12:24	1.8
Wyoming	65.5	30.9	684	12:22	2.7

The following state data was obtained too late and highly
contaminated with actual tabulation results: 
State	BUSH	KERRY	#Resp	Time	Red Shift
NJ	46.2	52.8	1520	12:50	(-)0.2
NY	40.9	58.2	1452	12:52	(-)0.4
NC	56.5	42.7	2167	12:48	(-)0.4
Virginia	54.1	45.4	1431	12:56	(-)0.4

YOU WOULD THINK THE SHIFT WOULD BE LOWER IN THE 12 CRITICAL
STATES THAN THE 35 NON-CRITICAL STATES SINCE THE SAMPLE SIZE
WAS GREATER AND THEREFORE THERE WAS A SMALLER MARGIN OF ERROR
- 
BUT IT WAS JUST THE OPPOSITE
*************************************************************
Important Points To Note: The average sample size for the
critical states is 2109, for the noncritical states 1192,
roughly half the size. All else being equal, higher sample
size correlates with smaller margin of error, greater
accuracy. And yet: the average Red Shift in the noncritical
states is 1.4%, but in the critical states it is 2.5%. 

Why? Hard evidence must be found to account for this egregious
statistical pattern and to prove the actual fraud. This
preliminary analysis is fairly crude, and there are probably
other, more telling ways to slice and dice the data. Also,
note that there were three exit poll "sweeps" which
led to updates around 4 pm, 8 pm, 12 midnight, following which
the "exit polls" were really contaminated by
tabulated data and of no use at all as a check mechanism. 

THIS WAS THE THIRD DATA SWEEP (12:20 AM)
*****************************************************************
I caught mostly the third sweep here (c. 12:20 am); my guess
is the second sweep would show even more dramatic
discrepancies. While the first sweep has come under skeptical
attack for having a too great female (pro-Kerry) weighting
(the figure I heard was 58%/42% female), it is at least
plausible to me that morning/daytime voters would be
disproportionately female because of work schedules, so it may
well be just one of the specious rationalizations behind a
very determined coverup (we just don't know). 

—Jonathan Simon
Thursday, 11 November 2004

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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 11:17 PM
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1. wow-- you really don't give up, do you?
Just teasing!

:yourock:

By the way-- how do you think the fraud was done, though? Do you have a good guess for the mechanism?
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 11:26 PM
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2. Keep proclaiming it, TIA - eventually America will hear you!
I heard a report on NPR tonight about the Colorado election. They were talking about how the state, as a whole, made a dramatic shift to the Left - with the exception of the Presidential race. But the piece was about "what the Dems were doing right in CO" and how their efforts need to be imitated nation-wide.

The disconnect I felt was when they listed all of the traditional Dem. values, and how there was a backlash against ultra-conservatism. It made me wonder WHY they DIDN'T look closer at the Presidential election!?!
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berner59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 11:31 PM
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4. incredible work!!!
Edited on Tue Dec-21-04 11:31 PM by berner59
Has all this been sent to Conyers...to Kerry??? It's all right there but we need the "how" to wake up everyone... Keep at it...this will prove out someday...hopefully sooner than later!
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 11:31 PM
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5. No, never give up. Let me count the ways...
Just look around DU. You can spend days reading the evidence.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 11:35 PM
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6. Can you answer two questions please?
First, can someone summarize the evidence? Right now it seems very disparate and confused.

Second, what was the mechanism for how the election was rigged?

Thanks!
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 11:46 PM
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7. I already answered you. Look elsewhere on DU for the ways.
The information is well summarized in various forums and the published work of researchers, academics and professionals. I am sure that some have seen my posts.

I just know Excel better than 99.99% of these guys. That's why I can get the analysis out quickly. I did a polling data update to the Election Model every day and recalculated 25,000 simulations in a second, and updated 12 graphs to boot..

No mathematical language (ie Matlab or Mathematica) used in academia can do what Excel can do. As for C++, Java or VB, forget it.

It's Excel, baby. Or Quattro or Lotus.
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MarkusQ Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 01:52 AM
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14. Several mechanisms
1. Don't give Democratic precincts enough resources.

Consequence: Long lines, leading to voter suppression
Scope: maybe nation wide
Magnitude of effect: on the order of 100,000 votes in Ohio alone
Status: caught on film; well documented in Ohio

2. Change rules on provisional ballots.

Consequence: People think they voted, but the didn't
Scope: Ohio
Magnitude of effect: on the order of 50,000 votes in Ohio
Status: well documented

3. Put multiple precincts with different ballot orders in the same polling place.

Consequence: Votes go to the wrong candidates
Scope: Ohio
Magnitude of effect: 5,000 to 50,000 votes in Ohio
Status: well documented w. compelling but circumstantial evidence.

4. Give straight Democratic party votes to a third party.

Consequence: Votes go to the wrong candidates
Scope: Nationwide
Magnitude of effect: Unknown
Status: well documented in several places; not even checked for in others

5. Touch screens give votes to wrong candidate.

Consequence: Votes go to the wrong candidates
Scope: Nationwide
Magnitude of effect: Unknown
Status: well documented in scattered places

And this is just what I can remember off the top of my head.

--MarkusQ
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 08:15 AM
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15. The biggest? Spoiled punched cards. Malfunction + fraud. n/t
.
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 01:40 AM
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13. State SampleSize Exit% Vote% MoE ShiftProbability BeyondMoE? FavorBush
Here are the Exit Poll and Voting Results for all the states:

Size refers to the exit poll sample size for the given state.
The percentages are Kerry's Exit Polls and reported Votes.

State	Size	Exit	Vote	Diff	StDev	MoE	Prob 	>MoE?	Favor
DE	770	58.50%	53.54%	-4.96%	1.80%	3.53%	0.29	yes	Bush
NH	1849	55.40%	50.51%	-4.89%	1.16%	2.28%	0.00	yes	Bush
VT	685	65.00%	60.20%	-4.80%	1.91%	3.74%	0.60	yes	Bush
SC	1735	46.00%	41.41%	-4.59%	1.20%	2.35%	0.01	yes	Bush
NE	785	36.76%	32.32%	-4.44%	1.78%	3.50%	0.64	yes	Bush

AK	910	40.50%	36.08%	-4.42%	1.66%	3.25%	0.38	yes	Bush
AL	730	41.00%	37.00%	-4.00%	1.85%	3.63%	1.53	yes	Bush
NC	2167	48.00%	44.00%	-4.00%	1.07%	2.11%	0.01	yes	Bush
NY	1452	63.00%	59.18%	-3.82%	1.31%	2.57%	0.18	yes	Bush
CT	872	58.50%	55.10%	-3.40%	1.69%	3.32%	2.24	yes	Bush

RI	809	64.00%	60.61%	-3.39%	1.76%	3.45%	2.68		Bush
MA	889	66.00%	62.63%	-3.37%	1.68%	3.29%	2.21	yes	Bush
PA	1930	54.35%	51.00%	-3.35%	1.14%	2.23%	0.16	yes	Bush
MS	798	43.26%	40.00%	-3.26%	1.77%	3.47%	3.29		Bush
OH	1963	52.10%	49.00%	-3.10%	1.13%	2.21%	0.30	yes	Bush

FL	2846	50.51%	47.47%	-3.03%	0.94%	1.84%	0.06	yes	Bush
MN	2178	54.50%	51.52%	-2.98%	1.07%	2.10%	0.27	yes	Bush
UT	798	30.50%	27.55%	-2.95%	1.77%	3.47%	4.78		Bush
ID	559	33.50%	30.61%	-2.89%	2.11%	4.14%	8.60		Bush
AZ	1859	47.00%	44.44%	-2.56%	1.16%	2.27%	1.38	yes	Bush

VA	1000	47.96%	45.45%	-2.50%	1.58%	3.10%	5.66		Bush
LA	1669	44.50%	42.42%	-2.08%	1.22%	2.40%	4.49		Bush
IL	1392	57.00%	55.00%	-2.00%	1.34%	2.63%	6.78		Bush
WI	2223	52.50%	50.51%	-1.99%	1.06%	2.08%	3.00		Bush
WV	1722	45.25%	43.43%	-1.82%	1.20%	2.36%	6.54		Bush

NM	1951	51.30%	49.49%	-1.81%	1.13%	2.22%	5.54		Bush
CO	2515	49.10%	47.47%	-1.63%	1.00%	1.95%	5.15		Bush
IN	926	41.00%	39.39%	-1.61%	1.64%	3.22%	16.42		Bush
GA	1536	43.00%	41.41%	-1.59%	1.28%	2.50%	10.69		Bush
MO	2158	47.50%	46.00%	-1.50%	1.08%	2.11%	8.17		Bush

NJ	1520	55.00%	53.54%	-1.46%	1.28%	2.51%	12.67		Bush
WA	2123	54.95%	53.54%	-1.41%	1.09%	2.13%	9.70		Bush
IA	2502	50.65%	49.49%	-1.15%	1.00%	1.96%	12.41		Bush
AR	1402	46.60%	45.45%	-1.15%	1.34%	2.62%	19.55		Bush
KY	1034	41.00%	40.00%	-1.00%	1.55%	3.05%	26.01		Bush

OK	1539	35.00%	34.00%	-1.00%	1.27%	2.50%	21.63		Bush
MI	2452	52.50%	51.52%	-0.98%	1.01%	1.98%	16.47		Bush
NV	2116	49.35%	48.48%	-0.87%	1.09%	2.13%	21.29		Bush
ME	1968	54.75%	54.08%	-0.66%	1.13%	2.21%	27.80		Bush
MD	1000	57.00%	56.57%	-0.43%	1.58%	3.10%	39.18		Bush

DC	795	91.00%	90.91%	-0.09%	1.77%	3.48%	47.96		Bush
MT	640	39.76%	39.80%	0.04%	1.98%	3.87%	50.72		Kerry
OR	1064	51.20%	52.00%	0.80%	1.53%	3.00%	69.91		Kerry
HI	499	53.30%	54.55%	1.25%	2.24%	4.39%	71.10		Kerry
TX	1671	37.00%	38.38%	1.38%	1.22%	2.40%	87.10		Kerry

TN	1774	41.50%	43.00%	1.50%	1.19%	2.33%	89.68		Kerry
CA	1919	54.00%	55.56%	1.56%	1.14%	2.24%	91.35		Kerry
SD	1495	37.76%	39.39%	1.63%	1.29%	2.53%	89.65		Kerry
ND	649	34.00%	36.36%	2.36%	1.96%	3.85%	88.58		Kerry
KS	654	35.00%	37.37%	2.37%	1.96%	3.83%	88.76		Kerry

Avg	1450	49.18%	47.38%	-1.80%	1.42%	2.79%	21.67		Bush
Med	1507.5	49.23%	47.47%	-1.81%	1.29%	2.52%	6.66		Bush
									
		
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 11:27 PM
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3. Kick
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:00 AM
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8. RE: All the way from south east asia
Look at my post under Conveys ask for exit pool data from networks

Yet CNN update their exit poll result to match . And it doesnt make sense. Caught red handed check it out
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:03 AM
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9. Congressman Conyers carefully chosen, powerful words.
Today, Raw Story has posted a facsimile of a letter that Congressman Conyers sent to Anne Sweeney, Co-Chairman, Media Networks, The Walt Disney Company and President, Disney-ABC Television Group; Bob Wright, President, NBC; Gail Berman, President, FOX; Jim Walton President, CNN; Thomas Curley, President, Associated Press; and Andrew Heyward, President, CBS.

He requests the 'raw exit poll data' that Mitofsky is refusing to release.

The link to the facsimile is here:

http://rawstory.rawprint.com/1204/conyers_exit_polls_1221.php

One quote:

"As you are aware, the American citizenry has voiced a collective lack of faith in government to carry out fair election procedures. It is important that the Judiciary Committee access raw voter poll data so that discrepancies between those numbers and certified election results can be investigated...."

Speculation is that the media will attempt to stall until after the inauguration -- WRONG CHOICE -- for the reason that Congressman Conyers makes exceptionally clear, to wit: "As you are aware, the American citizenry has voiced a collective lack of faith in government to carry out fair election procedures."

That is an amazing sentence.

I think it is interesting that that letter was sent today, the day after he appeared on Ed Schultz' show and made the unambiguous statement that "Absolutely. .... Sure I do. There will be a number of them, as a matter of fact." in response to Ed Schultz's question "Do you think there will be a senator to stand up and contest?"

I think the very fact that Mitofsky, and likely the networks, are attempting to cover-up the 'raw exit poll data' is truly stupid as it makes them culpable, at best. And, more importantly it further justifies Congressman Conyers and his colleagues in the HR and Senate challenging the election.

Talk about a 'rock and a hard place' that is exactly where Congressman Conyers now has anyone contributing to "...the American citizenry's .... collective lack of faith in government to carry out fair election procedures."

Mitofsky, the MSM and others can now start doing 'the math' on the cost of their loyalty to Rove and BushCo.

TIA, I would imagine you communicate your insights and analysis to numerous folk; I do hope you have been tutoring members of Congressman Conyers staff and other members of the 109th Congress.

Peace.




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IndyPriest Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:03 AM
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10. TIA, when we finally win this thing
may I buy you a drink? Your choice of beverage!
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:38 AM
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12. I will buy a round...
and then heave tia upon our shoulders and exalt him for all of his good deeds.:toast:
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:07 AM
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11. Erata
Its under lastes news and conyers seek exit poll data
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 06:28 PM
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16. This should be placed in context with Gore 2000 vs Kerry exit polls.
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