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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:11 PM
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The new strategy?
Note: I am positing this as a theory, not proclaiming it as fact. I'd like thoughts, particularly from those on the ground in Ohio, over whether this is plausible.

As we know, the "recount" is winding down, finishing early because most of the counties got to re-run the ballots through the machines. There are eyewitness reports of all sorts of activities that undermine the legitimacy of the recount:

  • Confirmed tampering of (so I've read) ALL Triad tabulators
  • Confirmed tampering of Diebold Optiscan equipment
  • Cherry-picked precincts
  • Black box counting with volunteers not allowed to look
  • Illegal machine counts because the officials didn't want to hand count despite their results
  • Harassment of volunteers
  • Ballot tampering to force results to conform
  • Refusal to look at "undervotes," provisional ballots, and absentee ballots

To my knowledge, at least some of this is on video. Witnesses to some of it have signed sworn affidavits.

Could it be that the strategy of our legal heavyweights is to ALLOW the GOP to perpetrate their activities again, thinking that they got away with it, and then smack them with the Mother of All Election Fraud Lawsuits?

At this point the recount has been hijacked so badly that it is no more legitimate than the initial count. Could it be that the "strategery" now is to LET the fraudsters do their thing again, only getting video/photos/eyewitness accounts of it?

If the counts match too closely (which they do), and there is proof of fraud in one case, it would appear to call the other into question as well.

In chess, players often deliberately sacrifice a piece in order to trap their opponent. Could it be happening here?

Thoughts? Seriously. I don't want just pats on the back, either--I want to hear evidence against it as well, if anyone has any.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:13 PM
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1. in other words
are you saying you think that the recount is - instead of proving a difference in numbers - proving fraud? and maybe, in a way, it is better this way....

it seems to be that is what is happening so far.
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bemis12 Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:14 PM
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2. They'll be inaugurating Bush soon...
That would weigh pretty heavily against The Mother of All Lawsuits happening. I don't think there's some big movement in the background.
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Prowess Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:20 PM
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8. inaugurance
There was talk on C-Span today of going to the inaug in protest, but I'm familiar with sheep who go BAA BAA, too
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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:16 PM
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3. Yes, I think Arnebeck will jump on all of this.
We have numerous examples of direct violations of Ohio law, and some of those violations were the result of instructions that came right from Blackwell.
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:18 PM
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5. I will be back later tonight..
Thanks ahead of time, everyone!
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NewsGuyOne Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:17 PM
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4. It would be nice if people thought that far ahead
But given the way everyone seems to be reacting to everything so hastily, it seems unlikely.
I think there's just too much going on to plan anything so brilliant.

I also have serious doubts about reports that Triad et al are trying to rig the recounts.
I mean, I wouldn't put it past them.
But I doubt they'd be so arrogant as to do so when thousands of people are just waiting for them to do just that.
IMO, any recount rigging was likely programmed beforehand.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:19 PM
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6. For what I hear...
The activities are so blatantly illegal that a recount done in Mozambique would me more transparent! (Not to offend anybody, is just an example to give some perspective)

If that is the strategy, makes sense.
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:19 PM
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7. IMHO
fraud was apparent nov.3 at 1 am. kerry has 20 years experience, and was prepared for this. hopefully he has a strategy which so convicts the perpetrators, there is no defense.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:21 PM
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10. Uh-oh. Duck!
Incoming flames from Kerry detractors! :)

On a side note, you read I-ching. Any revelations? (I'm not very good at divining with I-ching.)
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 12:19 AM
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16. oh yeah
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 01:35 AM
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24. Okay.
I won't ask. Understood. :)
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 02:12 AM
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25. I had just done that divination when I came across your post....
So here it is:

What is happening now with Kerry and his role in government?


31. Conjoining/Uniting in Spirit
Excite, stimulate, influence; strong attraction; bring together what belongs together; site of creative transformation.
There is Leader and Server, then there is Above and Below, then there is a place to perfect the rites. Uniting in Spirit. Accept this and use the energy of conjoining.

The implicit root of the word is heart, the heart moved and moving. The spirit influx fills, moves, and transforms the heart. This is the attraction and union of contraries, it is an influx, stirring sentiments, desires, ruling ideas and deep wellsprings of feeling. Also means "influence," to join with, to feel an influx, in the sense of "I have a feeling in my bones." It is a physical sense of spirit moving. The lines of the figure trace the path of the influence in the body, relating what happens when the spirit appears in different parts of the body and how to react.

Cojoining. Uniting in Spirit. Make an offering and it will succeed.

Excite, stimulate, influence, mobilize; strong attraction, connection; bring together what belongs together, touch; move, transform, trigger; all totally, universal, harmonize, unite; literally, a broken piece of pottery, the two halves of which are used to identify partners. Suggests Yu the Great who united the Nine Provinces and cast the Nine Vessels. Pervading influence of the sacrificial act and the spread of the spirit blessing.

Influence which excites, mobilizes, or triggers to action. Find the best way to bring things together. Working to unite the separated parts of something that belongs together. Reach out, join things, allow yourself to be moved. This is pleasing to the spirits. Through this, they will give you success, effective power, enjoyment, and the capacity to bring the situation to maturity. Put your ideas to the trial. The woman and the yin (the people) are the keys to the situation. Understanding, accepting and acting through the woman generates meaning and good fortune by releasing transformative energies.

Shows inner strength submitting to outer stimulation. Accept what is coming as the sign of something greater. Relations are clarified and individuals have a way to order their hearts. Bring things and people together through emptiness, the empty yet fertile space within you. Make peace, spread satisfaction and agreement. Something is indeed influencing and exciting you. Through it you can move the hearts of others. The flexible and adaptable is above, the firm and persistent is below. They excite and invoke each other, moving through mutual interaction. The man is below, the woman above. Accepting, submitting to the woman and the yin is pleasing to the spirits. Contemplate the place where things can be influenced and touched. Emptying his heart. By exhibiting comapssion for each person he encounters, he encourages them to draw near. Make the sacrifice. A cycle is ending.

The specific line, Nine at Fifth:

The sacred place, uniting in spirit. It conjoins the neck, moves along the spine. No cause for sorrow.

These are the tips of the purpose. This is a very deep connection that will endure over time. You are feeling the beginnings. This will wipe away past sorrows. Direction: A transition. Be very small. Don't be afraid to act alone. You are connected to a creative force.


Then the hexagram changes to

62. Small Traverses/ The Flying Bird

A transition; adapt to each thing; very careful, very Small; spread the word, stay in the process; major site of initiation and creative transformation.

Possessing it and traversing necessarily means you are making a crossing.
Transition or passage to a new time, a passage that must be realized through the Small and the power of yin. It suggests enlisting the aid of the small people, nobles without patrimony who act as scribes, diviners, ministers, attendants, soldiers and cooks, dependent on the changing whims of a ruler who employed or dismissed them. It presents the idea of a bird in danger being caught by hunters, a bird who must fly low. It is concerned with making actions and the words of omen coincide through very scrupulous attention, a ritual in which every detail counts and every step is carefully measured.
This time of transition is a journey through liminal space where rules dissolve and borders are crossed, imaged as the hunter and the prey, the bird taken or not taken in the net. It is the quality of the Way, the "littlest possible thing", something hardly visible that is the precise place where things turn and change. IT IS THE TIME FOR GREAT CARE WITH AN EXPECTATION OF GREAT RESULTS, the penultimate step. Remeber, in this time you are the bird, not the hunter. Motto: Keep a Small Heart.
This allows small affairs, it does not allow great affairs.
The flying bird brings the omen as it leaves. Spread the word.
"Above is not the proper place, below is the proper place."
The Great Way is Open.

Small traverse describes the situation in terms of seemingly overwhelming variety of details. The way to deal with it is to carefully adapt to each thing in turn. Be very careful and meticulous. Adapt conscientiously to whatever comes. This is pleasing to the spirits. Through it they will give success, effective power and the capacity to bring the situation to maturity.
The time allows one to do small things. It does not allow great things. Don't go up, go down. This brings transformative energy.

What is solid and strong has lost its central position. Great matters are not allowed. Above you will be thwarted. Staying below yields results.

Must have excessive concern with the small. The ideal realizing person reflects this transition through his concern with the fitting and the sincere. He is carried by the Bright Omens through the Tiger's Mouth.



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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 02:27 PM
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27. Every vote is small, in itself.
I shall keep a small heart, then, and work from below.

Thanks, Ojai Person :)
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Prowess Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:22 PM
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11. fried
fraud has been apparent since 2000
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Farmgirl Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:20 PM
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9. I've been wondering the same thing....
I keep looking for a "eureka" moment, or an epiphany -- and all I get is a raving headache. But in all seriousness as a totally lay person trying to get some kind of grip on what in the h*ll is going on, it has occurred to me that if we give the Rethugs sufficient rope, that they would indeed, over time, hang themselves.

When my husband and I were watching the VP debates, and Cheney groused to Edwards that "he had never met him before" and "this was the first time he'd met him", did you notice that Edwards never flinched. He knew that was an outright lie. but there he was, cool as a cucumber...and right after the debates, Elizabeth Edwards ever so nonchalently came up to Cheney and said something like "Don't you remember we met you...on this occasion...and that occasion". Sure enough that made front page headlines, with pictures of Cheney and Edwards on the senate floor. My point is that I think K/E are stacking up the evidence and letting these rethugs shoot themselves in the foot over and over and over.



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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:31 PM
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12. Kerry's got a sworn affidavit from a Hocking County
Edited on Fri Dec-17-04 11:31 PM by DoYouEverWonder
Election official, saying that she saw the Triad employee who came in during the recount and did the tampering.

This isn't speculation anymore. Kerry's got proof.


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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:40 PM
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13. Has Triad issued a formal statement regarding what the tech did?
Last I read about it, they had covered up for themselves with some off-the-wall explanation about maintenance on the machines and that it didn't affect anything relevant to the vote.

The negligence in Ohio regarding this election is just mind-boggling.

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:43 PM
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14. Gambit. You betcha. 28th or 29th of Dec press conf. Do you know what....
....you will be doing on 06012005?

That is the only question each of us should have answered, already.

If not, do so soon.

And, forget the 20012005 presumed inauguration. We'll all be preparing to re-vote by then.

Please do copy/paste/fax to all your 109th US Congress HR and Senate representative. Make it clear that they work for you and you are telling them what you expect them to be doing on 06012005. Here's the template, suggested letter:

Dear __,

Having reflected, all day, on the exceptional dKos Diary "Folks Don't Get It" by shanikka, my resolve to see the 'national election of 2004' halted on 6 Jan 2005 transformed to "do or die."

You should read what she had to say and what it elicited from others:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/15/9734/4841

I have sent the following message to several colleagues and want to share it with you so you can know what to expect and why we are corresponding with you now.

We are requesting that millions of our fellow citizens be in DC on 6 Jan 2005.

We will join, together on that day, with you and all responsible members of the HR and the Senate and together we will halt the fraudulent national election of 2004.

We will halt demonstrate, together, in the largest ever display of unity in support of our Constitution.

We will conclusively assert that "we the people" will not tolerate anything but a HALT to the farce, the brutal, systematic attack on our fellow citizens in their effort to "form a more perfect union" -- to vote and know their vote was recorded as they intended.

Together, we will forge a remedy to the situation that provides to each of our fellow citizens who are eligible to vote an equitable access to do just that -- vote. We will ensure that each voter has a mechanism to ensure that their vote is counted exactly as they intend it to be.

We will save our American franchise of democracy.

We will then vote, together, for the 44th President and Vice President of the USA and we will all know, beyond reasonable doubt, that whomever receives the most votes is the elected representative of our Nation.

We will bring joy and hope to all of humanity because of our actions between now and 6 Jan 2005, and every day thereafter.

We will never forget the peril to our Constitution, our freedom that we confronted together and resolved -- we will have lived and sacrificed in the honor of all whose ideals and sacrifices have graced each of us and for whom we now must prove our gratitude.

We will prevail.
*********************

Peace.

"I'm a patriotic American, not a pro-fraud theocrat"



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Prowess Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 12:21 AM
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17. 6! ..66?
why the 6th when the charade is the 20th?
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 01:11 AM
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22. Because WE stop the charade on 06012005 (n/t)
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 12:18 AM
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15. Devil's advocate, again.
I can't comment on #3-5, except I think that the affadavit everybody's been pointing to in Hocking Co. (Hockening? Late ...) is ambiguous--the numbers on the wall business could easily have been a jest. I'll leave it at that.

The Triad tabulators, from what I understand, have to be programmed NOT to count other races/measures. This non-counting is required by law. It may be a handy cover story, but that's what's so frustrating about cover stories--they may be true. Same probably holds for Optiscan equipment.

As for the refusal to look at spoiled ballots, they're also ruled out by law. I can't comment on provisional ballots and absentee ballots--I'd expect them to also be counted.

I'm also, in general, leery of attributing great skills and wisdom to a lawyer or advocate just because he/her's on our side. It's too easy to set up idols, only to see they have clay feet.
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zapped 1 Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 12:23 AM
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18. video
These people need donations of camcorders and be videotaping anything that is suspect.
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 12:56 AM
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20. Right. I'm sure that WAS done.
(The programming, I mean.)

There are, though, computer experts who believe, based on the affidavits, that more was done than just replacing a battery and programming it to count only one race. In any case, we shouldn't be taking ANYONE'S word on this. We should be taking measures to determine what DID get done.

And I'm not saying that this was the strategy from the beginning, only that it might be the strategy NOW that the strange activities and assorted violations have taken place.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 12:53 AM
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19. kick for positivity
naysayers, go home and tell your mother she wants you.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 01:09 AM
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21. I don't think it was new
I think it was all planed out before the election.
When you are committing a crime you had better have a plan to cover it up as well, and I think this is it.
Now you have a hundred suspicions but no one will hear them in the media because it is all regulated to the conspiracy theory file,and the official word is what matters.
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 01:16 AM
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23. I meant our side
I'm not speculating on what the Rovian strategy is, because I know. Coverup, obstruct, spin.

That "glitch" in Ohio law, the one that doesn't guarantee a full hand count, has been exploited, so we haven't had a hand count or anything resembling a full audit of Ohio. I'm suggesting that the legal team (Arnebeck et al.) might be shifting gears now, and using the recount as a reenactment of the crime for when they make their case.

I know it's what I would do if I were in their shoes.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 07:11 PM
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28. I see
I do hope they have a plan.
If it were me I would look for criminal complaints to make and get the prosecutors involved, then the FBI would have no choice but to get involved. And then the full house committee would have to investigate it as well.
Wattergate would have went no where if it had not been for a criminal act.
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 07:14 PM
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29. In that case, hooray for criminal acts. All the better to be caught

RED HANDED!
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 12:20 PM
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26. ....
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