UNCOUNTED ELECTION BALLOTS IN THE 100's OF THOUSANDS

[Divine Discontent]

help!!!!!!?

I need someone deeply involved to explain something, isn't there tons of provisional ballots not counted in Florida, Ohio and other states?

Mel Martinez has a small lead on Betty Castor in the Senate race, couldn't she pass him with all of those Democrats that voted absentee and provisional because of fear of having their votes stolen?????????????????/

Another thing, how did Kerry go from leading the early voting to being 10% behind Bush in the first 6% voting results...

This is probably my last post on here unless someone can respond with something valid.

THANK YOU DU, and friends.. we tried and I think we were skuh-rude.

[Big Kahuna]

1. SHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

Kerry conceeded! We should all just be happy and return to our hobbit holes!

[Ducks In A Row]

6. the conceding doesn't mean what the rethugs think it does

if the count changes ohio kerry wins.

it's just a speech. it doesn't mean he can't be prez

it just stops the rats from hyping it all.

[Ducks In A Row]

7. kerry is being crazy like a fox!!!!

[mountainvue]

21. The lawyers are gone. n/t

[Ducks In A Row]

30. Ah! But where are they. The media is totally ignoring this...

so who knows who is where doing what.


hee hee

[AP]

2. They're not in precincts in which Kerry was super strong.

They're going to break exactly the way the popular vote broke. However, it'll be interesting to compare paper provisional ballots to what the computers recorded.

[revree]

3. why last post?

Surely they will win if we all give up so easily.

[bullimiami]

4. im sorry if It makes sense but

shouldnt we, as a rule, count every ballot cast first, then report the results complete?

I dont accept that the provisional and absentee ballots will break the same as the machines. I dont trust the machines and have no idea what the other ballots will be.

[thecrow]

17. I am with you on that.

Even my Repulican (did not vote) boyfriend agrees with you.
We watched CNN last night.morning and both of us said...wouldn't it be great if they waited until ALL THE VOTES WERE COUNTED to "project" the winner?"
It made me crazy that they were "Projecting" the winner with a state with more than 26% of the vote incounted.
Crazy indeed!!!!

[Smacker]

5. What happens if the final Ohio count shows Kerry won?

Is he legally required to accept the Presidency?

[Ducks In A Row]

8. yep! and the rethugs can't do anything to stop it

hee hee hee hee

[Fiendish Thingy]

9. I thought the counting stopped once Kerry conceded?

Particularly the absentee and provisional ballots.

[SharonAnn]

10. There might be other elections and issues on the ballots that

need to be counted.

[Kahuna]

11. Since * won by almost 4 million votes (probably 3 mil in the end)

We'd have to find million of uncounted votes. Not hundreds of thousands.

[fourtytonz]

13. Wrong!

If Kerry does by some lighting stike take all those Pro And Absentee ballots in Ohio.... He get the Presidency, Take 20 Electoral votes from Bushit and give them to Kerry.... Kerry Wins!
As Bush proved in 2000, The popular vote does not matter.

[LisaL]

18. It's electoral college, not popular vote.

:eyes:

[fourtytonz]

12. Provisional Ballots

Here are the amount of Provisional and Absentee ballots yet to be counted in Ohio 155,337, according to the sect of state web site
http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/results/11-02-04.htm.
According to this page site Bush got 2,796,147 Votes to Kerry's 2,659,664 a difference of 1,364.83 votes, Soooo for Kerry to take Ohio practically every Pro and Absentee ballot would have to go to Kerry. Hmmmmm not very good odds.... Other states have shown that provisional ballots have favored Kerry 2:1 but that still wound not do it.

I understand that Ohio is still going to count all the ballots, But don't hold your breath.

[colonel odis]

14. how close does the margin have to be before a recount

can be requested?

and are the lawyers still looking into everything?

[henslee]

27. Daily Kos had a recent post on this very topic with all the facts.

[zwielicht]

22. Are IA, NM, NV, CO, ... going to count every vote? (nt)

[Doohickie]

24. Two things

First, I heard that anyone voting late voted on a provisional ballot. By then, Kerry wasn't doing so good, so maybe they were really slanted his way. I also heard that virtually all the contested votes were contested by Republican poll watchers which indicates most of them were probably Dem leaning people. Unlikely, but Ohio could still be in play.

Second, Kerry lost by 300,000 votes in Flordia. There are 1,600,000 uncounted provisional and absentee votes there. No way to know how they break, but it is not inconceivable that they may split 1,000,000 for Kerry vs. 600,000 for Bush.

I'm not saying this things in the bag, but there are still votes in play.

[brettdale]

28. Too Much

When do the votes get counted? 11 days??? its still way to much to make though.

[bearfan454]

31. I wondered that myself about Fla.

1,600,000 not counted and they called Fla. WTF ?

[oldmanpeacenik]

15. Concession

As I understand it, a concession has no legal standing whatsoever. It's not in the Constitution for sure, and I don't think it's in Federal law. It's all just a lot of hot air. If by some magic all those provisionals went for Kerry, and there were enough of them, he wins Ohio.

But I don't think he can win Ohio. Florida Senate might still be up in the air--that I don't know. But Kerry's done.

[Flammable Materials]

16. Kerry conceded to save face.

There's no way he's gonna reverse it and challenge the election.

DISCLAIMER: Author is drunk on Belgian ale. But many a truth is spoken in a state of inebriation.

[LisaL]

19. Yep.

Gore conceded, then recanted, then conceded again after the Supreme Court ruled for Bush.

[dqueue]

29. Can we PLEASE verify this?!

I have some feelers out on this, and have done some asking -- but I have nothing factual. I am concerned that Kerry conceded, and Florida is not counting votes. Karen Hughes seemed to finaliz the early prediction for Florida... MSNBC was hesitant to give it to bush; once she spoke, it seemed all over. It doesn't make sense.

Once I can get back to the net for a chunk of time, I'm going to try to confirm they're still counting votes. Any info/links much appreciated.

[PieMaster]

20. Point of Order

First it must be determined whether or not a provisional ballot meets the legal requirements to be counted.

Then it can be counted.

Everything I've seen indicates that only 3-26% of all provisional ballots anywhere meet the legal requirements.

As you can see not only would it take a miracle in that the acceptance rate of the provisional ballots would have to be well outside the observed norms, but then the votes would have to be completely lopsided.

[Divine Discontent]

23. well, thanks

everyone, for your comments, but I am hoping someone tells me whether or not the provisional ballots are definitely going to be counted, ya just can't find that info online easy.

if anyone knows let me know by writing me, k?

thank you all...

I'm not giving up by not writing online anymore, it's just I need a break, this has been perhaps the 2nd most depressing event in my life, this was won on the premise that gays were going to be getting married on Jan 19th 2005! Which, would be nice for those wanting that, but it was not even close to the case, but they made it the verdict.

bastards.

[Doohickie]

25. MANY of the Ohio povisional ballots were by late voters;

I heard that was how they did ALL the voting after the closing time of the polls. So they may have a much higher validity rate than normal.

[kerry2win]

26. 90% approved last election

according to blackwell and cnn I believe.