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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:14 PM
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on Fox now-==Arnebak--talking of problems in OHIO
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:15 PM
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1. Hannity said get over it--stop being a sore loser=--real rude to Arnebeck
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:18 PM
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6. Hannity says Arnebeck has an agenda--and Both he and Jackson
are sore losers---living in fantasy land--dreamers.
I have never heard such rudeness coming from Hannity--dismisiveness, stupidiy, but this rudeness--it was unbelievable!!
I am writing to Fox! There is no excuse for treating your guests as Hannity just did!!
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:34 PM
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55. Why the hell do they go on the FOX shows. They are asking ofr the abuse!
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:14 PM
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103. Really!! Why give those goons anything??
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 10:15 PM by ailsagirl
Maybe they think it's the only way to get the info out there

I bet he can't get a word in edgewise
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:19 PM
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106. Arnebeck wasn't allowed to say anything. Why do they call this Fox News?
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 10:21 PM by berniew1
"Fox News" is strictly a propaganda station. There is no news or chance for balanced presentation of info or issues; and no chance for useful interview. Just beligerance and disinformation.
We need a truth in labeling law. There is no such thing as FOX "News".
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:24 PM
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108. Fox "News" is a JOKE!! Why would Arnebeck go on that show??
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Uncle Enzo Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:20 PM
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16. Rude Boy
Ya just know the republikans can't wait to drag out the sore loserman chant.
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:16 PM
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2. Wow! I can't believe that Faux would let him on and talk about the Chimp
and how he and the Repuketards stole this election!
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atxryan Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:20 PM
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14. coulda been better...
They let him on to discredit him and make him look like a "sore loser with an agenda." Hannity DID keep cutting him off and telling him to get over it. He was also very condescending, but IMO, I also believe Arnebeck could have made a better defense of his case...

-RYAN
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:23 PM
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26. Arnebeck could have made a better defense of his case...
You have to have *serious* practice with a media coach to be able to counter the neocon media. If you try to be louder or talk faster then you get accused of looking like a nutcase.

:grr:
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:31 PM
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45. I think it helps to laugh at them... Ridicule them somewhat subtly...
At least you come off looking pleasant, composed and nondefensive.
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Red State Blues Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:43 PM
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127. Question
I think you're probably right and that would come off the best for ME (but I don't watch the garbage). Do you think that comes across the same to their typical viewer? Not a loaded question, I really don't know. I can't hardly see any benefit for a thinking person to appear on Fox.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:28 AM
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128. I've only watched Fox when stuck in a bar, airport, or occasionally in a
hotel room, so I'm certainly no expert. (I'm quite pleased not to get it or any other cable punditry/"news" on my extremely limited basic cable at home). But to address your point, I only think the humor defuses any "power" Hannity or any of the other jerks has to cut them off, denigrate them, or try to put words in their mouth. As for the viewer, it is probably a wash.

And, frankly, I think Dems/progressives should probably boycott the network, but unfortunately that only works if they do so enmasse.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:40 PM
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65. I think Arnebeck did reasonably well considering the rudeness/
interrupting/not listening by Hannity. But yes, one needs to be couched when chatting to a slimeball like Hannity!!
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Woo Donating Member (181 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:45 AM
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130. Guessing..
That FOX is the only folks that invited him to be on -- although I think I would have turned down that invitation --

You'll never be able to talk over them -- because it's setup so you physically can't talk over them -- although everyone doesn't use it -- they use 'ducking' on the mic signals -- so when the guy they want you to hear, in this case Hannity starts to talk,,, it 'ducks' the audio from the guy they don't want you to hear -- so the louder you get the more it ducks... until you end up lookin like an asshole shouting and the other guy is calmly sittin there still being able to talk over you easily-- so what's the point... you're fightin a losin battle -- you just have to shut up when they interupt and hopefully you can get a good few word or two in --

A very good example of hearing this work is the Randi Rhodes show -- I can actually hear the compressor working -- when Randi starts to talk it's so blatant -- hehe, which is why she always wins the talkin battle... ha, cute.

I said I wasn't going to post anymore today -- ah well.
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 02:38 AM
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133. Arnebeck had a nice long interview on C-SPAN about 2 weeks ago.
And I've seen snippets of interviews with him on CNN and MSNBC in the last week or so.

I think the Fox interview...while appearing to be a 'loss'...what REALLY a gain. The fact that the subject of Election Fraud, and Arnebeck's suit actually made it ON Fox during "Scott Peterson Week"... was not only amazing...but also probably the FIRST time MOST Fox viewers heard anything about the Fraud suit...and continuing saga. The fact that Fox allowed Arnebeck to come on the day AFTER the Ohio Electoral vote is also positive...in that most Fox viewers (like most Americans) thought that yesterday's Electoral Votes was the final word in the Election controversy. To have Arnebeck on today was actually courageous for Fox...in that they were acknowledging that the Fraud dispute, and recount continues. Plus Arnebeck is a very rational, level-headed, impressive representative of the cause. Compared to Hannity's irrational nature, Arnebeck really needed to say very little...just open the 'window' of knowledge that "this fight ain't over yet."

Plus as Bonifaz' quote of Gandhi at last week's hearing said: "First they laugh at you....then you win." Quit being negative gang. Take any MSM opening we get...and run with it!

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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:17 PM
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3. Keep posting - I don't have a TV!
:kick:
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:18 PM
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7. Yeah. Post! Post! What did they say?
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floridadem30 Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:17 PM
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4. What else do we expect from fox? Maybe he should try ABC N/T
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femme.democratique Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:17 PM
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5. VIDEO!!!!
MUST HAVE VIDEO!!! This is gonna be classic....Hannity is such an ass and Arnebeck is so smart, erudite and principled....
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:18 PM
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8. Please share
Some of us are FAUX challenged
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:19 PM
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11. time to email FoX and Arnebeck. I couldn't believe it!!
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VTGold Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:18 PM
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9. How did Arnebeck come across - do you think he made an impact..
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 09:18 PM by VTGold
on normal people?

God I hate Hannity....
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atxryan Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:23 PM
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25. *sigh*
I don't think he did. Hannity did a good job of not letting him finish his sentences. Arnebeck could have prepared his arguments into simpler, more powerful messages that maybe would have broken through... I don't think anybody watching that interview who wasn't already sympathetic to our cause was swayed... in fact, I'm almost positive nobody was...


-RYAN
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 02:42 AM
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134. I've seen Arnebeck in several interviews, and he's VERY rational...
and impressive. He doesn't have to say much, he's the real deal.
(Check out CSPAN website, and stream his interview on Washington Journal from about 2 weeks ago.)

I'm sure he 'opened' some eyes tonight...just by his presence the day AFTER the Electoral Vote.

Trust, and believe! Do NOT despair!
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HR_Pufnstuf Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:18 PM
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10. Hannity rings in.
"Stop saying there's fraud when there is none" - Sean Hannity, FOX News, 12-14-4
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:21 PM
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19. Well thank GOD, now that we have an official directive from Sean Hannity
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 09:30 PM by IndyOp
we can all just relax and enjoy the next four years. Whew - what a load off of my mind. Thanks, Sean!

By the way -- did Colmes even try to say anything?

:grr:

Edit: Spelling of Colmes - you can tell I really have never watched FOX - I've only read about them in "Lying Liars"
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Chimpanzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:26 PM
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32. Man you just cracked me up!
directives from hannity
did colmes EVEN TRY to say anything??:hurts:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:30 PM
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41. Combs was just ending up when I tuned so I missed him
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jbond56 Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:56 PM
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94. keep in mind
Due to the format of the show Colmes cannot argue with sean. That is crossfire's format. The show is setup to make Colmes look weak and enable sean to lie with out fear of being called on it. If a guest starts calling him on his lies sean just throws a tantrum.

So people please stop watching this crap. It will never be beneficial no matter who the guest is.

We need to stop listening to our enemies and start doing what we know is right.


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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:00 PM
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95. yeah maybe so--well said--but sometimes I like to know what the enemy
is actually saying rather than getting it second hand.
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jbond56 Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:14 PM
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102. second hand?
The thing is they all say the same thing. I don't think second hand really applies in this case. Second hand usually implies a somewhat distorted message. The right carefully crafts thier message so it gets stronger the more it is parroted. A message crafted with reason often gets distored when repeated. This is our biggest problem. I think Clinton said it best with "When the people think we win".

If you want to keep up just visit mediamatters.org.

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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:59 PM
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118. I removed it as one of my "stops" and don't miss it at all. Haven't watch
months and I don't miss it in the least. Life, is actually really nice without Faux News.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:21 PM
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Fox only let him on to denounce him and to be RUDE. This behavior
should not be tolerated!! He not only dismissed Arneback--he literlly stepped on him!!
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NY lib NY Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:19 PM
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12. Hannity could shove it!!
I love Arnebecks response to "Why don't you go to Wisconsin?". Arnebeck: I am an Ohio lawyer. Hannity wouldn't even let him talk. When Arenbeck said Kerry won Ohio, all Hannity could say was "O, Stop it. You're Dreaming."
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HR_Pufnstuf Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:21 PM
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20. More Sean
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 09:22 PM by HR_Pufnstuf
"3 Words - Get Over It; and 2 More - You Lost" - Sean Hannity, FOX News, 12-14-4
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 08:25 AM
Response to Reply #20
144. Everyone
has different styles, but it would have been nice, in a way, if Arnbeck had retorted, "You're already a cretin in the eyes of most people, but when this is over, you'll *really* be shown up for the meathead you so clearly are...! Shouting him down, if necessary.
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Applepie Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:19 PM
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13. Hannity as usual is
a rude *ss.
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:55 PM
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92. I Can't Stand Hannity
He thinks he's gods gift to women:puke: that is why I loved it when Keith Olbermann whoop his ass in the sexiest news media man contest! LMAO

Hannity = :puke:
Hannity = Keith wanna be
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:20 PM
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15. C'mon, is he really dealing with Hannity?
I'm surprised Arnebeck is willing to talk with that piece of shit.
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VTGold Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:22 PM
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22. Its a good move - the only way to get on MSM - Fox has highest ratings
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 02:50 AM
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135. Exactly! And to reach a demographics he doesn't on CSPAN or Keith...
Very smart move. And by maintaining his civility in the face of Hannity's bluster is exactly what he should've done. Arnebeck is an attorney, who no doubt can capably defend his point in front of unconvinced 'juries' all the time.

I'll bet he did better than it seemed. People will go away and think about it some. (Including Hannity, whether he admits or not.)
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NY lib NY Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:22 PM
Response to Reply #15
24. I thynk...
Arnebeck did it to expose the fraud to the few reasonable people who watch Fox. Most people don't even know what's going on in this country.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:24 PM
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29. Those 2 "Fox viewers" might be working now (n/t)
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #24
90. yes, good exposure for the issue--might raise a few eyebrows for those
who did not there are voting problems out there!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #15
34. Hannity--2 or 3 times--asked--why aren't you in WI--11,000--you have
an agenda to delegitmize Bush's victory (He was angry when he said it).
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #34
46. rodeo, why did Hannity ask Arnebeck about Wisconsin? What's going
on there?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #46
58. Hannity was saying that Arnebeck was in OHIO for an agenda --to
delegitimize Bushs victory. Hannity asked why not to WI where 11, 000 votes were lost?--Then he answered himself saying --you are not in Wisconsin cause it would not matter. he said it at least 2 times--YOu (arnebeck) has an agenda!!
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #58
66. Thanks! n/t
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Kellis Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #46
59. Kerry only won by 11,000 votes in one state
hannity is asking if this is non partisan why aren't they investigating those states?
The thing is NH WAS recounted-Kerry won there:)
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:40 PM
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and Bush only won Iowa by 10,000. That isn't the point, dumbass .
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:43 PM
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73. LOL! Pirate, did you just call Kellis a dumbass or Hannity? I think you
meant Hannity, it just looks like you were calling Kellis a dumbass! :D
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #73
88. It was in reply to the original post......... n/t
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #73
105. LOL - Hannity, of course. That is what I get for posting real quick while
trying to get kids to bed.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #59
76. Stupid dick.
You have to have some basis for a challenge, Hannity. Also, in a state where there are obvious reasons to doubt the outcome, such as where there is a SERIOUSLY PARTISAN secretary of state and TWO electronic voting companies, one being owned by a heavy Republican party donor and campaigner who promised the election to *.

Arnebeck should have said, "well, when we did investigate a state where Kerry won, the Republicans never objected, whereas in a state where * apparently won, they do. So, what's the objection there? What are * supporters so afraid of?"



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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #46
71. Our elections are fairly clean but it was close here.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #71
85. But if you recall there was a pretty substantial discrepancy
between the exit polls and end results, only in the areas that used electronic voting equipment
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #85
124. I didn't know that. Overall the exit polls were within a 10th of a percent
Weren't they?
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 07:18 AM
Response to Reply #124
140. I wish I knew how to post an image...
Do you remember the bar graphs that came out the week after the election, the bars were red and blue and showed the discrepancies between exit poll and machine tally in certain areas? There was a considerable difference in Wisconsin. I just found them posted here:
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4175
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:20 PM
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17. More More!!!
I'm TV less - please play-by-play!!!
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VTGold Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:21 PM
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18. Does Colmes have a little string in his back? What a dweeb...
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:22 PM
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21. A whole set of strings! (n/t)
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #21
27. Arnebeck tried to talk of the evidence and the whole time Hannity was
rudely interrupting him.
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:25 PM
Response to Reply #27
30. Hannity, I believe, doesn't want the truth to come out about the Chimp! n/
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:22 PM
Response to Reply #18
23. What can you really expect from F** ? n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:24 PM
Response to Reply #23
28. I think Hannity was more rude than ususal--his voice was raising.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:25 PM
Response to Reply #28
31. More than usual?
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 09:26 PM by RaulVB
He is a lying and loud piece of shit all the time!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #31
37. Lets write to the Fox comments as well as to Hannity!! and aslo to
Arnebeck to say thanks for trying. Does anyone have Arnebaecks email?
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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:40 PM
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64. [email protected] n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:41 PM
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68. Thanks for the email for Arnebeck.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:00 PM
Response to Reply #64
119. Emailed Mr. Arnebeck, done and kick ([email protected] )

Thank you for the info, he is doing a great job for us, and he has finally put us on the news map, live on TV/Cable, thank you, thank you.
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:30 PM
Response to Reply #31
43. Do you actually watch that freeptard enough to know "usual"
How can you stand it???

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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:32 PM
Response to Reply #43
51. I did watch him 2 times back in 2002...
I guess I'm an expert!:evilgrin:
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #51
110. My most acute exposure
was during the movie "OUTFOXED"

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Kellis Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #31
52. hannity had Hilary Shelton on last week
I happen to come across him talking about election fraud and stopped to watch- I was shocked that it was the hannity show.LOL.

Good for Faux for having Arnebeck on.It gets the message out there and I know a lot of people who watch Faux just for the circus-like quality of the reporting.

Plus the mere fact that Faux is giving this air time/trying to discredit it speaks volumes.

We are having an impact and they are worried.This is a good thing.




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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:50 PM
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83. I do not think Hannity is worried--then again......
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 02:53 AM
Response to Reply #52
136. A good thing, indeed...especially during "Scott" week!
Even Fox is desparate for a new story!
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #28
39. 25 million in jeopardy? You be the judge.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:32 PM
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47. 25 million what?
:shrug:
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 04:39 AM
Response to Reply #47
139. $. His new contract.
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Chimpanzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #28
40. Was he getting that hysterical little girl voice?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:32 PM
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49. Yes, and I think he was agitated!!
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IHeart1993 Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:39 PM
Response to Reply #40
63. Hannity is a little girl
I apologize to all those little girls out there.
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EMunster Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:26 PM
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33. at least he didn't use "bitter-ender" or "dissident"
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:27 PM
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36. Should we "thank him" for that then? (n/t)
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:44 PM
Response to Reply #33
115. Only AP would use "dissident".
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:27 PM
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35. NO DEMOCRAT SHOULD EVER GO ON FAUX NEWS!
They have an agenda and it isn't letting the Dem make a point that favors the Democrats. The Democrats are on there for one reason and one reason ONLY...to let Hannity/O'Reilly make them look bad. :grr:
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #35
38. Amen! (n/t)
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #38
44. anyone know how to email/contact Arnebeck please?
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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #44
70. see reply #64 n/t
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Chimpanzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:30 PM
Response to Reply #35
42. It's not just dems
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 09:31 PM by Chimpanzee
They'll take out anyone they don't agree with. They seem to agree with democrats less than most though.
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:32 PM
Response to Reply #35
48. your right
allthough when i think about my hard core repuke sister(and others like her) watching that and getting mad, it really validates all the things that we have been trying to do here and that which has gone unnoticed.she has been sending me emails that it is not even in the news so it must not be real,she can't use that one now.Hee hee
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #48
56. Score!
Good point! Plus I was thinking that while this is certainly unpleasant and FOX deserves to be flamed; Arnebeck to be thanked -- this IS where we have been wanting to go for weeks now. Did we really think we would get to the MSM without a FIGHT?

Who has emails for FOX and Arnebeck?

:kick:

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #56
67. So you think it is better to be on FOX and get the message out even if it
means having to put up with the crap of Hannity and O'Lielly to get there?
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #67
93. Putting up with Hannity and O'Lielly is not our biggest worry...
Though our biggest worry -- out and out violence to stop recounts -- could possibly be incited by these idiots. Today, Randi Rhodes mentioned a group - the Texas Strike Team - who traveled to Ohio to stay at a HoJo's and call people who had been convicts to tell them that if they went to vote they would be arrested. I can easily imagine the members of the Texas Strike Team being inspired by Hannity.

I think that getting a small piece on FOX -- even if negative -- will get more people listening for news from other sources, will get more people talking. I sense some *real* tension in my little red state from Republicans who are scared that something might be really wrong -- we need a lot more people feeling a lot more uncomfortable.

:kick:

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #35
57. Absolutely right!!! BOYCOTT FOX!!!!
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:39 PM
Response to Reply #57
62. Go FOXLESS!
I saw a post here a couple of weeks back from a guy who called his Cable TV station, told them that he had *had it* with FOX News and asked them to cut that station from his cable package. He then emailed FOX and told them what he did and why!

I don't have cable - so I can't, but I thought it was a great idea!

:kick:

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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #62
84. Yes and I tried to do it too
but you can't just take Fox out without getting down to just a "basic cable" package. It's a joke. So I have to cut my entire cable package to be rid of Fox. They told me I could just block it instead, but I told them that doesn't quite make the same point, now does it?
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Griffy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:44 PM
Response to Reply #57
74. BOYCOTT there SPONSORS... we will starve them !
especially if bush ends up prez.. then we begin the SEIGE! we have many weapons to fight them...
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:39 PM
Response to Reply #35
61. What's sad is Arnebeck is a Republican, former Perot supporter. It just
goes to show you that they'll eat Repuketards up if they are not Reich Wingers or are there to undermind the Chimp!
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #61
69. The fact that Arnebeck is a registered (?) Republican is an incredibly
important talking point. He ought to mention it first thing in every interview.

:bounce:

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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #69
78. Yes. I think you're right. I think a lot of people forget that too.
He's filing this lawsuit under a non-partisan group, but he's Repuketard.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #69
81. I did not know he was a Repub. um.... thanks for the tip and yes he
should have announded it the minute he came on!!
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #81
100. He is not a Republican anymore.
Research people....
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #69
97. Arnebeck has never
Clifford Otto Arnebeck has never stated what his CURRENT political affiliation is, and if you think he has you ought to post a link for verification. He is now a Democrat for your information.

Get informed people and stop posting baseless crap.

See the following link:
http://www.thefreespeechzone.net/html/Arneback.html


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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 07:28 AM
Response to Reply #97
141. Dude, get off of you effin' high horse! This is a discussion forum. This
is where we help share information. If someone has it wrong, help them out by giving them the corrrect information! Your posts are absolutely the most condescending shit I have ever seen! DUers do not treat people like this. Quit it the eff' out already. Give it a rest! Stop telling people to quit posting bogus shit when they do not know that it is bogus. We sometimes don't have hours and hours to do research. Geez, Louise! Pull your head out of your ass. Good grief! Don't even reply to me because I am hitting the ignore button. I cannot stand your idiotic, condescending spew no more.
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ClintCooper2003 Donating Member (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #69
107. I heard he was a registered Democrat now.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 07:41 AM
Response to Reply #107
142. I would bet that he is a registered Dem now -- it still lends
credibility to his opinions that he was once a Repub. He learned and outgrew his former personal limitations and now CAN SEE THE LIGHT!

:-)

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Slaps Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:32 PM
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50. hannity is a nazi
I am a magnum cum laude and Im telling you hannity is a idiot.
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #50
82. Welcome to DU, Slaps!
:toast:
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #50
91. Um I believe that it is
magna cum laude (magnum is a unit of measure, such as a magnum of champagne), and Im requires an apostrophe (I'm).
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #91
114. LOL - that was good. ty n/t
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #50
109. As a magnum cum laude you should know spelling of "I'm"
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 10:35 PM by Straight Shooter
and also that "an" precedes words beginning with a vowel, such as "idiot."

A friendly message from the Grammar Police :P

Welcome to DU! :hi:

Edit, damn, missed the "magnum" (thinking of Hannity)
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:33 PM
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53. Why the hell do we give them the respect of going on their shows?
It is asking to be abused!!! They are never fair..never give the democratic/liberal guest a chance to say hhs piece...always interupt, are always rude. It is the classic case of the abused spouse syndrome.
I think that Democrats should totally boycott FOX!!!!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #53
77. Kerry got criticized/hounded/smurked at for not going on O'Reilly--but
I am glad now he did not. anything and everything he would have said would have been distorded or worse!!

I think I agree with you after watching tonight!! --sorry to say.
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shelley806 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #53
98. I always have for the very reasons you stated...and the abused wife
syndrome is a very good analogy.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:56 PM
Response to Reply #53
117. I never watch Faux but I don't think the Dems can just abandon it so it
becomes even more like a continuous Rush Limpballs or Hannity radio show than it already is.

We need to have the few people that are actually good at dealing with these kinds of a$$holes go on there and fight them. The problem is whether Faux would let those kinds of Dems on their shows.

If all people hear is the Repuke side of the story, of course they will believe them.

New Policy - We FIGHT for all 50 states, including local races AND we spread our message on ALL shows and stations.
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:33 PM
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54. Ask NewsHounds.us...
to post an article on this interview. They do a good job debunking fox.

http://www.newshounds.us/

You can email them at:
[email protected]
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #54
60. Will Hannity have a transcript??---later??
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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:42 PM
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72. First they ignore us, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,
then you WIN.

Between laughing and fighting right now.
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #72
80. i believe
that puts us at step 3.

let them get mad and fight us, then we'll move to step 4
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #72
101. Thinking the same thing candice.
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trudyco Donating Member (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:44 PM
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75. Once I think it was Barbara Walters got a politician to quit
talking by squeezing his inside thigh under the table. Maybe Arnebeck needs a telescoping claw to pull out under the table. LOL. THen again, its probably delayed like countdown so they can edit anything that isn't on talking point enough.

Sigh.

trudyco
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kerry2win Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:47 PM
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79. does hannity auctually believe half of what he says?
alot of it has to be for show but even at half he still is a major league a**h*le
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #79
86. Hannity believes what he says all the way to the bank!!--but seriouly--yes
I do think he belives what he says--I can not say why--just a gut feeling.
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kerry2win Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #86
89. man thats a scary thought
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #79
87. It doesn't matter. The idiots who watch him do!!!! n/t
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:00 PM
Response to Original message
96. LOL Did You Guys Catch Who Faux Hired
ZIG ZAG ZELL! LMAO Now him and Hannity would make a good match they could challenge each other to duels. LMAO
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:07 PM
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99. I didn't see it, I'm only reading this thread, but I think Hannity
getting that angry is good. It sounds as if he went overboard. If true, that's good. For someone like me, a know nothing psychologist, it means he's overly anxious to debunk, which means he/they know there is history that has to be debunked. If he was confident in the right wing's honesty, he would be more relaxed and crack more jokes. His anger and rudeness is revealing.

Additionally, he works for Murdoch who with Time Warner, GE, Disney, and Viacom contracted with two companies to do exit polling. They paid for the service - a perfected sampling technology that has allowed those networks to call elections accurately for decades.

They got the two companies to reverse the poll trends in the middle of the night to parallel the thefts. Somone like Hannity will not be an innocent employee in his knowledge of what went down.

They WANT to get away with it. They NEED to get away with it. They EXPECT us to kneel down and submit. They expect us to play head games with ourselves by saying no one would do that (even though it was done just two and four years ago.

CNN is riding on the coattails of the honor and integrity of NBC, CBS, ABC in past years. FOX is riding on the coattail of honor and integrity of the others. Numb and gullible citizens believe the networks, but what we have is a co-opted partner propaganda system that is more insidious than the USSR.
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #99
104. The only news channels I watch is
C-SPAN because I always watch the senate and after the senate goes off I watch MSNBC that is it! I have quit watching the others and FAUX I stop watching a long time ago.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #99
112. Methinks Hannity doth protest too much n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #99
121. Whow--what you say makes sence to me. thanks
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jsascj Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:34 PM
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111. That must be where my father heard about it!!
Sadly, he is a Republican so naturally he watches Fox. He told ME when we spoke tonight that he saw on the news that Kerry was asking for a count of the 92,000 ballots. Then we started talking about it.

I told him that there were just way too many 'anomalies' everywhere for something NOT to have been done to steal the election. The old "where there's smoke" routine. He agreed and said that that is exactly what went on with Nixon (whom he absolutely deplored). I was so proud of him for actually HEARING and THINKING!

Maybe there are more open minded people out there than we think.Maybe there are others out there who think that to steal an election is just wrong...regardless of their party affiliation...well, we can hope.

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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #111
120. It sounds good to know that there are some good repubs out there
Election fraud is no joke for any of us .......
Your dad sounds like a good man, democracy first before party, I hope there are more out there like him.
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:06 PM
Response to Reply #120
122. I like that...Democracy before party. Has a nice ring.
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jsascj Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #120
125. Absolutely....Right you are!
We can hope, hope, hope!
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steelyboo Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:41 PM
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113. anyone got Hannity's email address?
I think I will make it a point for the rest of my life/his show (whichever goes first), I will email him, putting something that gets them rock hard in the subject ("partially aborted fetus exercises his 2nd amendment rights on the murderous doctor, says God/Bush told him to", something like that). Then, all the body will have is:

FAG!!!!

Why? Not to insinuate he's gay. God, I could not insult homosexuals like that!! But you can look at that jerk and just TELL that something that childish, done over and over, would cause his lil' melon to explode... plus it would be on his mental level, so I know he would understand it.

If I can't beat them right now, I can at least annoy them :P
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:09 PM
Response to Reply #113
123. [email protected] him--I did (not that he will answer--as he
has never answered me).
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 03:00 AM
Response to Reply #123
137. Good, I'll write him and thank him for having Arnebeck on the show..
BUT ask that he have the courage to have him back on again...to let Arnebeck actually talk. That sounds like an American thing!
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:44 PM
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116. Hopefully this will help Arnebeck
It might put a real fire in his belly to bring the whole shrub house down ,instead of just a few ;-)
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:12 PM
Response to Reply #116
126. [email protected] (someone nice posted this above) --say thanks--he
deserves it for going on the show.
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:32 AM
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129. Again
Edited on Wed Dec-15-04 12:48 AM by insane_cratic_gal
I posted this on the sharpton thread BUT it applies to Hannity as well he pulls the same shit as Oreilly..

O'Reilly never invites anyone on his show with a louder ass voice then his own. I swear they do mic tests to be sure his is louder

He's a like an alpha dog. Domainte lil sucker who Pisses on his guests then proceeds to ride them all the way home.

It's the SHUT UP show or Shut up Bitch show..

Notice they never invite a dominate alpha dem on the show?? Nooo they bring in Sharpton where they think they can dog him and address his wardrobe vs the subject. In this case did he make reference to his suit? LOL .. O'reilly is a piss ant.

They need to remove the O'reilly's shoes, I'm just waiting for the day he pounds someone with them. Jerry spinger wannabes.

This guys is giving moral values to America? umm HELLOOOOO he's scammed on his producer.

If there was one person in this world who's tongue I wish would be cut out. It's him. and hannity! extra for good measures.

But in a way to brings attention to the bush voters, maybe 1 or two will get off their fat asses and look around to see if it has any merit.
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KerryReallyWon Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:56 AM
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131. Bad news is better than no news...when you need to get started
So what if Hannitiy beat Arnebeck up. The lock down is so tight, they were fools to let Arnebeck on!! You see, now we are on the starting line, at the beginning, and can only go forward. Arnebeck was able to say on FOX, KERRY WON OHIO!! It will keep going! To keep it going they must keep researching to continue to report, and get the viewers. I think this was a good thing. When you have NO news, bad news is good news. We are off and running!
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zimba Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 01:11 AM
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132. Its ridiculous to try and
play the game on Hannity's terms. They want to try and get you into an emotional give and take because, as we all know, they are masters of distorting issues and spinning facts, and someone like Arnebeck isnt. If they suck you in, your emotions get the better of you and they play you so you end up looking stupid. The only way I have found when dealing with those bf's like Hannity and Limbaugh is to calmly stay on message and deal with their assholery with compassionate intent. Even though they may appear to be getting the better of you because they have all the trip words and catchy phrases figured out, at the end of it all you look much better because you come across as someone who cares about their message enough not to get caught up in an emotional ego war of words.

And anyone who does survive a Hannity interview with their dignity still intact then deserves a medal of honor.

Just my two cents.
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 03:07 AM
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138. Then Arnebeck survived! He has tons of dignity, and it shows...
even when he's not talking.

He did fine. He 'opened' the dialogue. It's a start.
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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 07:56 AM
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143. Awww, I never watch Faux, ever.
But I did send Hannity an email and told him it was HIS turn to get over it and stop being a sore loser.
Told him to go read this:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/121604Z.shtml

and weep! :evilgrin:
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Debbie13 Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 08:53 AM
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145. I think we should blast them with emails asking for more info on the fraud
but do it just as "concerned" citizens.

Just my opinion not to play into their Faux-fox game.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 09:04 AM
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146. Shawn Handiturd beat up my favorite lawyer?
I didn't get to see it. Wouldn't have wanted to see it. Handiturd is such a fuking puke:puke: that I can't sit through 2 minutes, my tv would be at risk!
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