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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:42 PM
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Kerry asks for visual inspection of Ohio ballots
FROM: Ohio News Network
http://www.onnnews.com/Global/story.asp?S=2682767

Kerry lawyer asks for visual inspection of some Ohio ballots

-snip-
COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Democrat John Kerry is asking county elections
officials to allow his witnesses to visually inspect the 92,000
ballots cast in Ohio in which no vote for president was recorded, a
Kerry lawyer said Sunday night.

The request is one of 11 items that Kerry is asking for as part of
the recount that Ohio's 88 county boards of election will begin this
week, according to a letter sent to the boards over the weekend.

"We're trying to increase the transparency of the election process,"
said Donald McTigue, the lawyer handling the recount for the Kerry
campaign.

-snip-
McTigue said the visual inspection is allowed under state law. The
goal is to look for potential votes that were not registered by the
tabulating equipment.

Other requests include the use of independent experts to check the
programming and calibration of the election equipment, something
McTigue said has never been allowed.

McTigue also asked that counties accept the help of a group called
Votewatch to determine which precincts will be chosen for that part
of the vote that will be counted by hand. McTigue said using the
group will ensure that the ballots are selected using a valid random
sampling method.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:44 PM
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1. Calling all Kerry-bashers: Your order of Crow is ready.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. they are all in GD/Politics
frothing at the mouth :D
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trayfoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #4
19. Excuse my ignorance - but I have to ask.......
What is GD-Politics?
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:03 PM
Response to Reply #19
25. it's a forum on this board
General Discussion - Politics.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:03 PM
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26. General Discussion/Politics
Can I have some good barbeque sauce or something with my crow? What do I do if I am a vegetarian?

Gawd, it's about freakin' time!! I've called a lot of people to tell them the good news since the MSM will not report this.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:12 PM
Response to Reply #1
31. Yeah, didn't they all promise us mega Mea Culpas?
Well?...

<crickets chirping>

NGU.


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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #31
47. We're going to be listening to crickets chirping for a loooong time
Because some people are never wrong.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #47
53. Tis a sweet sound tho, tx...
LOL. Better than hearing their whining.

NGU.


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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #1
37. standing by with the silver platter & parsley
it'll be the best meal of my life
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:24 PM
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39. I admit, I was very hard on Kerry
I was very disillusioned by the silence. I watched since 2000 how fraud was swept under the rug with hardly an ounce of effort to fight back, I thought we were headed down the same path. Once everything settles I will be the first in line to say I was wrong. Can't wait to see how things play out tomorrow! :kick:
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:44 PM
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2. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I'm so giddy :D

I feel giddy......
Oh, so giddy...........
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:45 PM
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3. i guess it's not old, sorry
Edited on Sun Dec-12-04 08:46 PM by Faye
i don't get this - that article says that the lawyer says 'it WON'T change the outcome'......

according to AAR report, he mentions 'numbers that could have an effect on the outcome of the election'....


WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
CAN ANY OF THESE PEOPLE JUST COME OUT AND SAY WHAT THEY MEAN?
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:46 PM
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5. it's dated 12/12/2004
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:47 PM
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7. Yahoo says that the story was posted 10 minutes ago.
Maybe it's an update of an old story? I haven't heard it before.
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:52 PM
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14. The page header says
that the page was last modified on Monday, Dec. 13th 2:46 GMT
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proudtobeadem Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #3
13. It doesn't matter, the important thing is that it's
obvious that Kerry think there was fraud -if not he would not be asking to look at the machines.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:57 PM
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17. Kerry thinks there was fraud AND he is not happy with lock-downs and
GOP operatives who think they can decide that ballots are no longer public property! That BS cannot be allowed to stand and set a precedent.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #3
32. It's a kabuki dance, Faye. WE know what they mean...
NGU.


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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:13 PM
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33. It WON'T change the outcome.....
Until it DOES.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #33
36. lol, i like it when you say it like that...
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 11:44 PM
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59. Those lines are to keep the wolves at bay, you've got to keep adding
'doubtful it will change the outcome of the election,' or ' of course, we don't think this will have any effect on the outcome of the election,' ' there is virtually no chance that this will alter the results of this election,' ad nauseum to keep them from being in your face while you try to CHANGE THE RESULTS OF THIS F**CKING ELECTION. But that is new saying 'could have an effect on the outcome of the election.'

Who knows, I've got to go to sleep.

Ciao Keep all your toes and fingers crossed.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 12:09 AM
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61. And if the valid outcome was Kerry's victory?
As others have pointed out, that phraseology can be parsed in different ways depending on what you are hoping for.
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MsConduct Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:46 PM
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6. Wow! You can knock me over with a feather, I was sure that
Kerry had just drifted of into the sunset...This is something that I don't mind being wrong about.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:48 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. I like caution and deliberation in a man
;-)
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MsConduct Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #10
22. I can appreciate those qualities also. It's just when something
reeks, I like quick and loud responses to it! LOL
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 12:15 AM
Response to Reply #10
62. ...and TIMING. Don't forget TIMING.
Kerry has been a bulldog prosecutor of very big and dirty outfits. He knows about how to time his moves.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #6
12. KERRY! KERRY! KERRY!
I'm almost afraid to wake up tomorrow!
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MsConduct Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #12
24. LOL, I know just what you mean! n/t
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #12
44. I'll be lucky if I get any sleep tonight!!!
What do you do when booze AND pot don't work?! HELP!
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #6
27. I don't mind eating crow...
if it means he's finally doing something.
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MsConduct Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #27
29. Me either. I'll take mine roasted please, with mushrooms and
asparagus.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:48 PM
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8. Very, very sweet indeed.
Keep chipping away at these criminals.
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:48 PM
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9. I'm so fricking excited
and nervous.....and I'm listening to sandstorm, which gets me totally wired
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Califooyah Operative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:49 PM
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11. calm calm calm excited calm calm calm....nt
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SaintAnne Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:54 PM
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15. I'm so excited. If my roomie wasn't republican I'd dance around!
Edited on Sun Dec-12-04 08:55 PM by SaintAnne
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MarkusQ Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #15
49. Have you tried talking to your Republican roommate?
Talk to you roommate about honesty and integrity, about the importance of good govenment and free elections for everybody.

Who knows, maybe you can dance together!

--MarkusQ
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:56 PM
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16. Don't forget about Blackwell
He isn't finished with us yet.

A quote from the end of the story:

-snip-
McTigue would not speculate how many of the items the counties will
honor.

"Several requests are trying to push the edge of envelope," he said.

Carlo LoParo, spokesman for Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell,
said state law will guide counties on how to do the recount.

"I don't know if Mr. McTigue is in a position to dictate the terms
of a recount," he said.
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #16
21. Katherine is looking guiltier all the time
Can't you imagine her sweating bullets over this thing?
The floodgates are starting to open... :)

She can't fight everyone
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #16
41. Yeah, expect a fight, but this is great news. n/t
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:57 PM
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18. Also in the Akron Beacon Journal
COLUMBUS, Ohio - Democrat John Kerry is asking county elections officials to allow his witnesses to visually inspect the 92,000 ballots cast in Ohio in which no vote for president was recorded, a Kerry lawyer said Sunday night.

The request is one of 11 items that Kerry is asking for as part of the recount that Ohio's 88 county boards of election will begin this week, according to a letter sent to the boards over the weekend.

"We're trying to increase the transparency of the election process," said Donald McTigue, the lawyer handling the recount for the Kerry campaign.

Two minor presidential candidates who received 0.30 percent of the votes in last month's election requested the recount, claiming that the election was full of irregularities that need to be addressed.


http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/news/state/104022...

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Broken Acorn Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:58 PM
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20. The core message
Kerry's campaign supports the recount but says it won't change the election outcome. Bush's campaign has criticized the recount effort, saying it won't change anything.

This is cover for the Kerry people to find fraud without looking like sour grapes. We ALL know that they think the outcome will change, but they can't give the fundies talking points to blast Kerry.
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #20
42. Exactly! He's further underground than DU
but as long as he gets the job done, we should support him!

If Blackbird doesn't start singing soon, it might be time for Kerry to call in the MSM though -- if they will answer the call. I'd expect to see this on Olbermann at least!
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:01 PM
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23. Of Course theres a flip from Blockwell
McTigue would not speculate how many of the items the counties will honor.

"Several requests are trying to push the edge of envelope," he said.

Carlo LoParo, spokesman for Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell, said state law will guide counties on how to do the recount.

"I don't know if Mr. McTigue is in a position to dictate the terms of a recount," he said.

heres where it gets tricky, Can these thugs dictate how the courts operate ? probably

what ever became of the lawsuit asking Blockwell to recuse himself ?????????????????
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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #23
34. recount ALL, not random sample, Kerry,+ demand NEW ELECTION,not recount
If you want my opinion.

Get a Judicial Special Master to replace Blackwell. No more 'ASKING" him ... begging the GOP... to recuse himself.
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #23
57. kick n/t
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:09 PM
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28. And my ear tunes into the talking points we'll be hearing:
Edited on Sun Dec-12-04 09:11 PM by bleever
"You can't DICTATE the terms of a recount."

Gosh, "dictators" are bad!

Now, about looking at those ballots...

;)


edited: sp
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teleharmonium Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:11 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. once again,
not for the first, nor the last time, I suspect, I say:
thank you, John Kerry.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #28
35. Hi five, bleev!
NGU.


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senegal1 Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #35
43. What if Kerry is just doing this to seem like he cares
I still have to ask why wait so long till the night before the electors get choosen? I believe that fraud happended and that we will manage to do something about it, but can someone explain to me what part of Kerry's strategy is enhanced by waiting this long? It seems that he bascially did capitualte and only in the last few days has come to believe that there was massive vote fraud which can be proven. While believe me I am delighted that he seems to be coming out to do battle hopeful...
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #43
54. What if monkeys fly out of your butt??
What if??... What if??... WHAT IFFF???...

You're another one of those folks I keep meeting around here for whom nothing is ever good enough.

NGU.


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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 11:03 PM
Response to Reply #54
56. Man, the flying monkey thing is getting out of hand...
Hygiene, people, hygiene!

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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #54
60. (gasping to catch breath after laughing)
Edited on Mon Dec-13-04 12:05 AM by RevCheesehead
You're too much, CW! :P :thumbsup:

BTW: do you have first-hand experience with the monkey-butt thing?

NNN-NNN-NNN-GU! (to the tune of "Jingle Bells")
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 10:59 PM
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55. SMACK!
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DeepGreen Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:16 PM
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38. I like crows ! So,, how about some veggie crow ??? nt
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sheilajane Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:25 PM
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40. so happy to eat crow.....
I was going to rant and rave about the lack of interest from the Kerry camp,and now I read this. wheeeeeeeeee!!!!! I hope this works out as we wish!
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 10:17 PM
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51. kick n/t
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pamela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:36 PM
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45. I feel like singing.
Now on the street tonight the lights grow dim
The walls of my room are closing in
There's a war outside still raging
You say it ain't ours anymore to win
I want to sleep beneath
Peaceful skies in my lover's bed
With a wide open country in my eyes
And these romantic dreams in my head

Once we made a promise we swore we'd always remember
No retreat, baby, no surrender
Blood brothers in a stormy night
With a vow to defend
No retreat, baby, no surrender
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POTGNE Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:46 PM
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46. Let's hope it makes a difference.....
although I seriously doubt it. Even if it does, Bush is going to find some underhanded way to make the election there null and void and then declare himself the winner anyway.....LOL!
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #46
48. HAHAHAHAHA ROFLMAO
Aint nothin gonna bring me down tonight

:bounce:
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rehema Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #46
50. Yep, thugs have no shame or morals
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 10:19 PM
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52. It's getting out there...
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 11:34 PM
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58. kick n/t
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Lizzie Borden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 09:03 AM
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63. kick
:kick: :kick: :kick:
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 09:13 AM
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64. letting the GOP get to pick who gets a hand recount is like...
...letting the supsect decide whether or not he wants to be in a particular line up. Give me a break. Random should be the bare minimum with the Dems able to request that certain precincts be hand recounted based on evidence of fraud (including statistically abberations in vote totals).

Someone needs to hand recount Katherine Blackwell's brain to see if he has 1) a conscience and 2) an ounce of sense. He is going to go to jail, and I doubt that he will receive a presidential pardon.
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