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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 06:26 AM
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Blackwell Locks Out Recount Volunteers
This cannot be accepted !!!!!!!!!!!

http://fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com/2004/12/blackwe...

Subject: Blackwell Locks Down Ohio Voting Records Breaking news, more to come. This afternoon, two election volunteers working with the Ohio recount were denied further access to public voting records in Greene County Ohio. At the Greene County Board of Elections in Xenia, two California women working with the recount coalition (CASE and the Green party) were copying public records and requesting access to other voting records, per Ohio statute. The Board was told by Secretary of State Blackwell's office to deny any further access to voting records, a clear violation of statute. Apparently, the quote was: "These records are no longer public. There is a lockdown on all Ohio voting records." Ohio is no longer the Ukraine. Ohio is now Soviet bloc and Blackwell has made his office the Politburo
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EMunster Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 06:31 AM
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1. kick this repeatedly
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Chili Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 06:35 AM
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2. and what can we read between the lines?
...that there IS evidence to be found - maybe even a smoking gun - and they will fight tooth and nail to keep it hidden.

If there was nothing to gleaned from the voting records, this would be unnecessary.
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intelle Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 06:43 AM
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3. The more Blackwell tries to interfere with the recount efforts
the guiltier he is going to look. He is running scared, I am willing to bet on it.
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 08:54 AM
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35. I hope the eff' someone has all the crap he has pulled during this
election entailed and sue the pants off of him! Impeach his sorry butt. I guess I can't speak for all the AA, but I bet they are pissed that he is doing this!! Think of how long these people have tried to have rights in this country and just to have someone from their own race try to undermine their efforts! I bet it is just too sickening to think about for them!
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:29 AM
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42. KICK
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #3
88. Kenneth 'Wormtongue' Blackwell. Sweatin it like Albert Brooks in
Broadcast News. This is going to be sweet, watching him fold under pressure.
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 06:43 AM
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4. kick! n/t
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 06:43 AM
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5. IF It had been an honest election
Blackwell would be standing on the sidelines saying count, count all you want but it ain't going to change anything. Instead he's standing in the way of a fair recount and investigation. This only proves the obvious.
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 06:47 AM
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7. Why on earth
doesn't someone have him arrested?!
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 07:47 AM
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22. Arrest a republican...hah......hah hah
Plainly there were election irregularities that benifited Bush. Certainly it was those democrats in missouri that threw the election to GOP.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #7
108. Maybe it's time to get the ACLU involved.
I mean, it's our civil liberties at stake, for cryin' out loud!
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cguttman Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 06:47 AM
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6. Write to Blackwell, Press and Gov about this ! (Here's contact info)
Edited on Sat Dec-11-04 07:06 AM by cguttman
I have just updated Blackwell action to reflect this new info
http://www.stolenelection2004.com/alerts.html#blackwell

Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell
Email: blackwell@sos.state.oh.us
Phone: (614) 466-2585 (New)Fax: (614) 644-0649

You can also contact Ohio media
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/dbq/media/?command=...

This is an easy way to send to 3 state media--you can choose Ohio, D.C. ,NY
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cu/cu.php?az=blast...

and this is a large list of national media sources http://www.rumormillnews.com/MEDIA_EMAIL_ADDRESSES.htm

C. You can contact the Ohio Governor at http://governor.ohio.gov/contactinfopage.asp phone: 1614 466-3555


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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 07:03 AM
Response to Reply #6
13. Blackwell's toll-free number
I got through on it yesterday, but people later were having a hard time-
Ohio Secretary of State, Kenneth Blackwell
TOLL FREE: 1 877 767 3453

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ihelpu2see Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:43 AM
Response to Reply #6
45. I sent this email to Mr. Blackwell, I live in CT
Mr. Blackwell,

It appears that there may have been some question about election "irregularities" in your fine state. Your continued attempt to obstruct the legally requested recount is making these irregularities appear as fraud. Why not let the full accounting show what you and your legal staff have been saying to the "liberal" press, that the election was fair and not riddled with vote suppression.

Open the voting records to the press and the public Mr. Blackwell. Not doing so makes you culpable to a crime and that may jeopardize your own political aspirations.

Sincerely,

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momzno1 Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #45
132. I couldn't help myself.... My Bad!!!
Mr Blackwell,
I am completely astounded by your recent action to "LOCK DOWN ALL ELECTION
RECORDS IN THE STATE"
I am stunned, but I have a huge smile on my face because your reaction is
such proof of guilt of fraud!!!!
I am laughing so hard, because we all know that you are going DOWN!!!!
Keep it up. Your obstruction of justice is helping out those of us
committed to nailing your ass to the wall and proving that John Kerry is the
Legitimate winner of the electoral votes in Ohio. You will go down in
history, as a TRAITOR to our great Democracy.
I am going to enjoy watching.
Sincerely,
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regularjoe Donating Member (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:03 AM
Response to Reply #6
54. My email
Dear Mr. Blackwell,

Why did Pat Wolfe, your Election Administrator, tell the Green County
Board of Elections to lockdown the voting records? That information is
public and I cannot imagine an honest reason for your office to hide
such information. Furthermore, according to Ohio state law it appears
that you have no authority to lockdown voting records and that those
involved have just committed election fraud. ORC Title XXXV Sec.
3599.161 makes it a crime for any employee of the Board of Elections
to knowingly prevent or prohibit any person from inspecting the public
records filed in the office of the Board of Elections. ORC Sec.
3599.42 clearly states: "A violation of any provision of Title XXXV
(35) of the Revised Code constitutes a prima facie case of election
fraud within the purview of such Title." For the sake of our democracy
you must allow honest investigation into this election to continue.
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #6
210. here is e mail for Greene county officials....
....where the lockdown took place on Friday afternoon. I talked to Joan Quinn the retired attorney yesterday.

I sent e mail to these officials: I say plaster them:

the e mails correspond directly to the names here: sorry about the jumble: heck: just send it to everybody below. I noticed that the school e mails did not go through so you will get that bounced back. there are two commissioners in Greene county who do not have e mail addresses. One of those is the chairperson out of 3 total commissioners for Greene county.


Jill D. Robinette, Clerk, Bellwood City
Mr. Madden: Commissioner, Greene county
Lucia W. Ball, Clerk, Beavercreek City
Fairborn City Clerk
Xenia City Clerk
Bowersville City
Yellow Springs Village
Bath Township
Caesers Creek Township
Cedarville Township
Jefferson Township
Miami Township
Ross Township
Sugar Creek Township
Xenia Township
Greene County Educational Service Center
Beavercreek Board of Education
Fiarborn Board of Education
Greenview Board of Education
Sugar Creek Board of Education
Xenia Board of Education


Steve Austria: State Senator :(937) 429-5230
State: The Statehouse, Senate Bldg., Rm. 041, Columbus 43215-4276 (614) 466-3780

Kevin Dewine: State Representative, 70th District: Toll Free #: 1-800-282-0253

Chris Widener: State Representative, 84th District: Office: 77 South High St., 11th Floor, Columbus, Ohio 43215 Toll Free#:1-800-282-0253
E-Mail: district84@ohr.state.oh.us (614) 466-2500

Governor Bob Taft: 77 S. High St. 30th Floor (614) 466-3555
Columbus, Ohio 43215 Fax (614) 466-9354
Email: governor.taft@das.state.oh.us

Lt. Governor Jennette Bradley ( 4 Year Term Commencing 2nd Monday in January)
77 S. High St. 30th Floor (614) 466-3396
Columbus, Ohio 43215 Fax (614) 466-9354

( 4 Year Term Commencing 2nd Monday in January)
J. KENNETH BLACKWELL (614) 466-2655
180 East Broad Street, 16th Floor Fax (614) 644-0649
Columbus, Ohio 43215 Email: blackwell@sos.state.oh.us
Toll Free #: 1-877-767-6446

U.S. SENATE
George Voinovich (6 Year Term Commencing January 3) (614) 469-6697
37 W. Broad St. Room 310
Columbus, Ohio 43215
317 Hart Senate Building (202) 224-3353
Washington, D.C. 20510 Fax (202) 228-1382
Email: senator_voinovich@voinovich.senate.gov

Michael DeWine
100 W. Main St. 2nd Floor (937) 376-3080
Xenia, Ohio 45385 Fax (937) 376-3387
37 W. Broad St. Room 300
Columbus, Ohio 43215 (614) 469-5186
Fax (614) 469-2982
140 Russell Senate Office Building (202) 224-2315
Washington DC 20510 Fax (202) 224-6519
Email: senator_dewine@dewine.senate.gov


reedmadden@aol.com,j.robinette@bizwoh.rr.com,ball@ci.beavercreek.oh.us,fairborn@ci.fairborn.oh.us,mjohnson@ci.xenia.oh.us,ww3201@dragonbbs.com,dbenning@yso.com,BATHTWPGREENECO@aol.com,caesarscreek_twp_0410@uan.auditor.state.oh.us,cedarville_twp_0411@uan.auditor.state.oh.us,rr1629@dragonbbs.com,www.miamitownship.net,olsnell@aol.com,devers@sugracreektownship.com,xeniatwp@erinet.com,gcb_carledge@mveca.org,superintendent@beavercreek.k12.oh.us,fairborn.k12.oh.us,gv_supt@mveca.org,www.sugarcreek.k12.oh.us,www.xenia.k12.oh.us,sd10@mailr.sen.state.oh.us,district70@ohr.state.oh.us,district84@ohr.state.oh.us,governor.taft@das.state.oh.us,blackwell@sos.state.oh.us,senator_voinovich@voinovich.senate.gov,senator_dewine@dewine.senate.gov
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 12:18 AM
Response to Reply #6
223. Sent. Here's my letter. Thank you.
Dear Secretary of State Blackwell;

Please step aside and allow the recount of Ohio votes to take place. The concern over the election questions is not just a matter for Ohio. Because the outcome of the presidential race is in question, it concerns ALL Americans.

I have read the 14 page letter to you from the House Judiciary Committee dated December 2, 2004. I watched the televised Conyers' hearing. Those are valid questions that Americans from Minnesota to Texas and from Washington state to Washington D.C. want answered.

By not allowing recount workers to access to public election records, you are sending a loud and clear message that you are hiding something.

Let the recount proceed!

Sincerely,
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 06:47 AM
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8. This just keeps getting more outrageous
He has been having people arrested illegally over the past few days, JUST for trying to deliver letters and messages to him (peaceful protest). Now this, which is even more offensive. He should be in jail. What kind of country do we live in that a thug like this is not himself arrested... HOPEFULLY, there might be something good to come from this, which is increasing negative publicity, which might bring more people in for our cause.
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 07:39 AM
Response to Reply #8
18. We need to turn up the heat on this guy!!!!!!!!!!!
Edited on Sat Dec-11-04 07:39 AM by noclonyofthechimp
:mad:
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:50 AM
Response to Reply #18
203. Does anyone know the laws on citizen's arrest in OH?
Can you just see a large crowd of people arresting him?
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 06:50 AM
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9. ooooh -- this is getting juicy!
i'm lovin blackwell's reaction.
lol -- he is sooo going to get his ass kicked!
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 06:53 AM
Response to Reply #9
10. Didn't a judge
order the recount to go forward, in the first place??
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ReneB Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 07:00 AM
Response to Reply #10
11. as far as i remember
there was one county in ohio that wanted to stop the recount at this certain county. and their lost
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #11
95. Delaware county wanted to stop the recount in
their county.
The refusal to let the workers see the voting records in this thread is in Greene county. What are the stats on Greene county anyway? Anything look suspicious?
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thanatonautos Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 08:16 PM
Response to Reply #95
201. Overall result doesn't look too strange. But compared to 2000
Edited on Sat Dec-11-04 08:20 PM by thanatonautos
Here are Greene county published results.

Registered voters: 105,079
Ballots cast: 80,602

Turnout: 76.71

Seems to be a very high turnout.

Badnarik 217
Bush 48377
Kerry 30,530
Peroutka 144

Why wasn't Cobb listed? Or did he just got no votes?
It's a little bit strange.

Fingerhut 22,180
Voinovich 55,043

Connally 27,152
Moyer 35,289

So the downticket candidate effect looks fine,
reasonable, at least for the whole county.


Greene county has two liberal universities,
but shows a relatively weak increase for Kerry (+7%)
over Gore in 2000, and a strong increase for
Bush (+21).


Precinct level data for Greene county would be
of great interest to see if it's available. So
far I haven't found any online for Greene County.

They don't seem to have the canvass sheet on
their BOE site, like some other counties do,
hmmm.

In addition, it would be nice to know turnout and
voter registration by party affiliation.

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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 07:01 AM
Response to Reply #9
12. We hope, but who will do it?
Can we still make citizen's arrests? :shrug:
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:35 AM
Response to Reply #12
44. I Believe He's Breaking The Law
This just puts the spot light on Election Fraud even more. Boy is he desperate or what? They are going downnnnnnnnnn.
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dmac Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:44 AM
Response to Reply #12
65. You can if you are a Republican
Isn't that how the ex-congressman and his wife from CA were arrested this week? I think that was a citizen's arrest.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #65
188. Conflicting reports from Columbus Police station
In the morning the woman told me 3 people had been arrested at noon at 80 Broad St (Borden Building). Later I called again to find out WHO called the police to come and arrest these people. A different woman said she could find NO record of the arrest. She seemed to be sincere, and kept trying different methods of searching (or so she said). I asked her--Could this arrest have been made by a private security agent, and sh said NO as if it were an absurd concept...
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VTGold Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 07:05 AM
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14. Are we sure this is true - I can't find any other reference to it and...
....the records are up on the couty website:

http://66.241.236.181/elect/ohgreene/results.txt
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 08:10 AM
Response to Reply #14
30. Yeah, we need more info about what, specifically, they were asking for
...Hopefully we'll get an expanded report today. I was all bent out of shape yesterday after reading of 2 separate instances where Blackwell has had people ejected and arrested for attempting peaceful protest in a private building that houses Blackwell's public office. I called the Columbus police department 2 nights ago, to try to find out who called them to come and arrest these people (because Blackwell's office denied doing so). The officer "couldn't find" any incident report for it--BUT another officer had found it immediately earlier in the day, when I called to find out where it had taken place... People are being silenced, I think, or else they are complicit in this.
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proud_Kucitizen Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #30
119. I was there
It was the building management that wanted to kick us out of the lobby and threatened arrest. The name of the building is "Borden Building" I think.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #119
185. I have a strong feeling that BLACKWELL is behind these arrests
..."ejections", whatever. If he were caught at it it would be (as if he cares) another 1st amendment violation. I would love to be there with you all, and wish you all the courage and determination in the world to go after these people--they have denied you your constitutional rights and should --dare I say, WILL--be held accountable. Thank you for all you are doing, and don't give in.
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nodictators Donating Member (977 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #14
53. Those records are just the election summary records
There is no precinct info.

From the beckerman blog above:
On Friday December 10 two certified volunteers for the Ohio Recount team assigned to Greene County were in process recording voting information from minority precincts in Greene County, and were stopped mid-count by a surprise order from Secretary of State Blackwells office. The Director Board of Elections stated that all voter records for the state of Ohio were locked-down, and now they are not considered public records.

Obviously, the certified volunteers were looking to see how the minority precincts fared in the election. Apparently, they were recording names so that they could interview those voters.
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dmac Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:48 AM
Response to Reply #53
68. and is that not okay? eom
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Hebegirl Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 11:53 PM
Response to Reply #53
222. Well, well, well
the Gestapo stopped them -
Let's stop the Gestapo!
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propagandafreegal Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 07:13 AM
Response to Original message
15. How are they allowed to get away with this?!?!? nm
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 07:38 AM
Response to Reply #15
16. kick...
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 07:44 AM
Response to Reply #15
19. E-mail Gov Taft
Doesn't he have any authority? I just e-mailed him asking him to step in and do something. His e-mail is above with media e-mails...
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 07:38 AM
Response to Original message
17. How do we verify this is true so that we can help do something
about it? I would think the Green Party Lawyers are all over this??? Does anyone have their office numbers to verify? If this is the truth he is breaking the law if they have been granted a recount after he certified.
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americanwhothinks Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 07:45 AM
Response to Reply #17
20. thank you for your question--- must verify claims before emails are writte
(written!)

good to be certain of facts before organizing...

good policy in general, and good policy when people are no doubt seriously threatened and will do their best to discredit any group or indiv that is on this project!
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 07:47 AM
Response to Reply #20
23. Any Verification Yet?
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 07:57 AM
Response to Reply #20
27. Exactly. Thank you. I choose to persevere head-on, but with my
eyes wide open and as aware of the enemy as can possible be! :nuke:
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 07:49 AM
Response to Reply #17
24. Ohio is the Wild West...
Ohio officials & judges still behave like it's the Wild West. We can't sit back and assume it will all work out since laws are being broken. There needs to be a huge turnout at the protests tomorrow, especially in Ohio.
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #17
211. original lead story: http://fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com/2004/12/black
http://fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com/2004/12/blackwe...

telephone number for Quinn, the retired attorney who was researching the records, is there. I imagine she has received dozens of calls by now.

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 07:47 AM
Response to Original message
21. Blackwell need to be charged with Obstruction of Justice
and removed from office.

The crap he is pulling is criminal and Unamerican. This is not how elections are run in a democracy and we can not allow his actions to continue.

Blackwell is driving a runaway train straight into a constitutional crisis and he knows exactly what he's doing. No wonder he was at the shooting range last weekend.

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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 07:52 AM
Response to Reply #21
26. Runaway train
You're exactly right about that. We have to stop him by (mass) e-mailing and calling elected officials.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 08:34 AM
Response to Reply #21
33. Can a citizen call the police, and request that someone be arrested
for something like this? Is this like a civil law issue rather than criminal law issue? I mean, if someone was beating someone up, we could call the cops on them, but if someone is obstructing justice, would the police come if we called them?
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lthuedk Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #21
120. The instant the fraud suit is filed discovery begins. Blackwell can then
be charged.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 01:51 PM
Response to Reply #21
142. my theory...
He is committing political suicide (on purpose) to protect higher ups. It's OK tho, he will end up with lots of $, businesses will reward him when he moves to the private sector. He will have their gratitude for taking the fall.
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 07:49 AM
Response to Original message
25. kick n/t
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HEAVYHEART Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 07:58 AM
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28. kick!
:grr:
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 08:10 AM
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29. Here is a link to the Green Party of Ohio's web-site and contact list
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 08:15 AM
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31. I am calling the central location in Ohio and am getting voice mails.
I will try there media director. Maybe I will have some luck there.
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thebeckerman Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:05 AM
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55. detailed recount info
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:53 AM
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71. Ray I just sent you an email from my Yahoo account regarding
a find that I have saved to my HD in case the evidence disappears. Need computer science forensics experts to determine whether this find is significant in any way.
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frictionlessO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:56 PM
Original message
Mr.Beckerman Thank you!!! Can you verify anything else for us
here. Thank you for registering and welcome to DU. You have just achieved God status in the blogoverse!

*ps that is really you isnt it?*
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 08:31 AM
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32. kick
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 08:40 AM
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34. kick n/t
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InternalDialogue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:01 AM
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36. Kick! n/t
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thanatonautos Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:02 AM
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37. Source is an entry on a blog with no apparent backup.
What is the original source for this information?
Is it true? If so, action is absolutely required,
however this is very explosive, and so, it must be
verified before acting.
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neversaynever Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:08 AM
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39. indeed, verification is needed
at this point, there are and will continue to be, many and myriad attempts at spreading disinformation designed to
A) confirm the "internet conspiracy theorist/quack" chargeds
B) get us to waste time and energy on unnecessary actions
C) generally add to the confusion

So, verify the story FIRST, then, if necessary take action.
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:14 AM
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40. I am trying to get through to the ohio green's media director or anybody
over there. I posted the contact numbers for the ohio green in #29
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neversaynever Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:17 AM
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58. they're probably out protesting...I doubt there will be any chance
to verify this before monday.
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dmac Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:01 AM
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77. I will send an email to a contact I have there. eom
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Terre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:53 AM
Response to Reply #39
70. I just emailed Blair Bobier at Cobb/LaMarche
to ask if he could verify this news. Not sure I'll get a reply. If I do, I'll post back.

Contact page (second to last on list):
http://www.votecobb.org/resources/contact/
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dmac Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:59 AM
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76. Should a post be started with these guidelines?
I know I was so incensed when I read that post that it didn't occur to me that it may not be true. I understand what you are saying - that if we start popping off all over the place to authorities about things that are not true, we will lend fuel to the argument regarding our credibility. By posting these considerations, most DUers will read them and we will be less likely to jump on every inflammatory thing that gets posted - without verification. I sure know I needed that warning. Thanks.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:49 AM
Response to Reply #37
48. They put the sources' CELL PHONE and other contact info
At the end of the article. That's pretty significant and says they'll personally back up their story. Would you allow someone to put your cell phone on the internet?
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:50 AM
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49. FRAUD! COVER UP! FRAUD! COVER UP!
We MUST STOP THIS NOW. WE MUST MARCH ON COLUMBUS ON THE 13th!!!

RALLY CITIZENS OR LOSE YOUR DEMOCRACY!
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thanatonautos Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #48
195. OK. I think the blog entry didn't include the cell numbers
and contact info when I first read it. Maybe it
was edited. Definitely, no, I wouldn't put my cell
number on the net.

So it should be straightforward to check if it's
real then. Has anyone called the numbers yet?

This could be very big!

Arnebeck needs to be notified. This strengthens
the lawsuit if the witnesses are credible and
sign affidavits.
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #195
212. it did include the cell phone number of vote-counters
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #37
87. Also working on independent verification
Will post as soon as I get it. Hopefully, shortly.

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jsascj Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:07 AM
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38. No Way! This is GREAT but not!
It means that he really has something to hide!

But what is going to happen to the records NOW? Surely he can't get away with this...can he?
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:23 AM
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41. Another thread says the recount starts next week? Is this why pukewell
thought he could lock out the volunteers if this happened?

Recounts scheduled next week

http://www.portclintonnewsherald.com/news/stories/20041 ...

By MATT SANCTIS
Staff Write

Saturday, December 11, 2004

Six weeks after voters in Sandusky and Ottawa counties cast their
votes, elections officials in both counties will be counting those
votes again next week.

(snip)

State and some county officials say the $10 per precinct is inadequate
and taxpayers will be forced to subsidize a large portion of the
recount.

But Sandusky County's Tuckerman said the money that the county
received probably will cover the costs.

"They gave us a check for $720, which should cover the costs," she
said. "We don't have to give that money back whether we use all of it
or not."

In a worst-case scenario, the total cost for the recount could come to
$1,000, Tuckerman said. In that case, the county would have to foot
the bill for the remaining $300 from the general fund budget.


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Truthbeknown Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:12 AM
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56. Bad link -couldn't connect
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burn the bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:31 AM
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43. kick
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operafred Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:46 AM
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46. they're fighting us and we're gonna WIN
remember what one of the speakers (i forget his name) at the conyers hearing said (quoting gandhi i believe). it went something like this:

first they'll ignore you
then they'll laugh at you
then they'll fight you
then you're gonna to win

well, they're no longer ignoring us
they're no longer laughing at us
they are fighting us
and we are gonna WIN


here's the link to the hearing of 12/8 if you haven't watched it yet

http://www.c-span.org/search/basic.asp?ResultStart=1&Re...
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peabody71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:48 AM
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47. Keep it up. The MSM is starting to get involved.
The negative publicity will only help our cause.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:51 AM
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50. Can't some big dudes kick the door down?
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:57 AM
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51. kick....
:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:
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thebeckerman Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:57 AM
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52. Get out in the streets
I'm the guy who writes fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com

I hope everyone reading this will get out on the streets today, tomorrow, and Monday, like they did in the Ukraine.

My blog has a long list of events nationwide, and there are probably lots more things I don't even have on the list.
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:41 AM
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64. Kick!!!
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #52
69. Greene County Board of Elections in Xenia is home to Triad GS!
We need DUers in Xenia!
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:15 AM
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57. Katherine Blackwell is a fool
He's digging himself in deeper and it's only going to land him in prison. It's not as if Junior or his other evil dwarves will help poor ol' Katherine when the indictments come.
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Razorback_Democrat Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:19 AM
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59. XENIA IS HOME OF TRIAD GOVERNMENTAL SYSTEMS!!!!!!
This is huge!

The Rapp family is a BIG DONATOR to GOP
Triad made punch card machines used in 43 of the 88 counties in Ohio!!!

Do you think it is coincidence that this is happening there????

Kick it to the moon!!!!!!
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stella2cat Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:27 AM
Response to Reply #59
60. I was just getting ready to post the same thing
and at the risk of being redundant, see below

http://www.ysnews.com/stories/2003/april/041003_voting....

<snip>
"Dwayne A. Rapp, vice president of TRIAD Governmental Systems Inc., the Xenia business that oversees Greene Countys voter registration and tabulating systems"

no conflict of interest here, eh?
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Razorback_Democrat Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:29 AM
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61. Kick!!
call the FEC
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #59
139. It is also the setting for the movie "Gumo"!
sorry :silly: had to say it, it is not often Xenia comes up.
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dmac Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:35 AM
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62. This is TOTAL BS! Interfering with the recount
with such determination is telling in itself. But what is to stop them from cleaning up whatever he is obviously trying to hide while things are stymied by this stupid ruling?!
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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:40 AM
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63. Could this be like "catch the little cats", they "plea bargain", so ....
the details of how the "big cats" set it up are implicated?

Stay tuned, verify the facts , and follow up!

:think:
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stella2cat Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:46 AM
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66. kick
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:46 AM
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67. sent., sent, sent, kick
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:57 AM
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72. Stop Blackwell NOW!


He has lost his mind!
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:58 AM
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73. kick for justice. I want that bastard in cuffs. Now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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dogindia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:59 AM
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74. kick
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sportndandy Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:59 AM
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75. kick
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #75
79. We need help
We need to import 50,000 Ukrainians to show us how it is done.

Kicking threads and all this talking is doing very little.

All Blackwell had to do is exactly what he did.

And we have no other legal mechanism left but the one most powerful one for this event - the right to assemble and protest peacefully.

Like the Ukrainians did - and look what they got - a new election and election reforms.

One of the worls's newest democracies has to show the world's oldest democracy how it is done!
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:05 AM
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78. Has anyone been able to verify this story?
I have been searching but can't find any other reference to it.
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #78
81. With the phone and cell numbers of those working in Greene
County included, I have no doubt that this story is real. Just because it hasn't hit MSM or the other sites yet doesn't mean it didn't happen. It just happened yesterday. So call and verify and get the story out IMHO.
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #81
213. here is the original post w phone numbers again
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #78
136. Christine Craft will vouch for these women...
Christine Craft is a close friend with one of the lawyer ladies and had an extensive interview on her Sacramento "Talk City" radio program yesterday. The story had me spellbound as it unfolded. They are dotting the 'i's' and crossing all the 't's' with this story. Documentation! These ladies are too busy taking depositions, affidavits, and documenting this bit of history to get in front of cameras and tell the story. Believe me, it's real, and heads are going to roll. :)
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stella2cat Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:18 AM
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80. kick again
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Shameless Agitator Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:33 AM
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82. kick
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stella2cat Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:34 AM
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83. has anyone called the cell numbers yet? n/t
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #83
214. yes, I talked to Quinn the retired attny yesterday
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:38 AM
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84. Kicked yet again

If true, this should get some Dems off their asses I hope
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:42 AM
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85. Another Source
Fromm Radio Left:


Bush Campaign Co-Chair Orders Ohio Election Records Locked Down to Stop Public Scrutiny
by Geoff at 09:00AM (CST) on December 11, 2004
Geoff Staples is Co-Host of Conversations on Radio Left

http://blog.radioleft.com/blog/_archives/2004/12/11/202...

It looks like the same story with an extra note:

-snip-
(In violation of Ohio law, Ohio election records are now locked
down and are not public records. Apparently, Bush-Cheney Campaign
Co-chair Ken Blackwell determined that enough votes exist to make
John Kerry the winner in Ohio, so he ordered Secratary of State Ken
Blackwell stop the analyis of the votes.)



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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:50 AM
Response to Reply #85
86. Should we be sending this story?
Should we be sending this story to the MSM?

Is Radio Left blog considered a "reliable source"?
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #85
104. Um, it appears to be a word for word repost...
of the article without the 'contact' info. I called the number for Joan Quinn and got a voicemail that starts "This is Peter Jones..."

Has anyone got an independent source for this???

I just have trouble accepting that Blackwell is *that* stoopud.

-Hoot
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:56 AM
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89. They are probably deleting databases as we speak. n/t
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:00 PM
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90. Prima facie case of election fraud.
Ohio Revised Code Title XXXV Elections, Sec. 3503.26 that requires all election records to be made available for public inspection and copying. ORC Sec. 3599.161 makes it a crime for any employee of the Board of Elections to knowingly prevent or prohibit any person from inspecting the public records filed in the office of the Board of Elections. Finally, ORC Sec. 3599.42 clearly states: A violation of any provision of Title XXXV (35) of the Revised Code constitutes a prima facie case of election fraud within the purview of such Title.

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EMunster Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:01 PM
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91. This happened Friday Morning and only now we're hearing about it? n/t
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stella2cat Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:05 PM
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92. I just talked to Joan Quinn and IT'S TRUE
they are in Xenia outside the BOE office right now
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #92
96. Are there newscameras there? Protesters?
I wish I was in Ohio--I would go right there and they would have to put me in jail before I would leave.
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stella2cat Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #96
99. she said they were expecting the press and there were
people showing up while we were talking she wasn't sure who they were). She was very willing to talk to me (I called her cell)
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loritooker Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:14 PM
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97. do you have a way for Olbermann to contact her
I left a message at Ohio Democratic HQ in an attempt to verify it (I'm in CA) and also mailed the story to KO...this was before I saw your post...what did she say--is anything being done? Is there a way Olbermann can contact her? I know today won't help, but for Monday?
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stella2cat Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:18 PM
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100. call her cell number, it's at the end of the article in the 1st post n/t
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:05 PM
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93. Alert the MSM about Blackwell's Tricks
I am sending this story to media addresses from this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

I think there are about 2200 addresses on the list.
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stella2cat Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:08 PM
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94. kick
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #93
98. I sent it to LA TV stations and major CA newspapers.
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pick_a_dilly Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:19 PM
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101. Kenneth Blackwell TOLL FREE: 1 877 767 3453...
Kenneth Blackwell TOLL FREE: 1 877 767 3453

just left our friend a little message about my feeling for him . . .
also sent am e mail to him . . .

so the same .... it feels good... fill his box w/ 'tough love'!
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #101
110. I left a message.
They transferred me to the "gerneral mailbox".

Do you know Blackwell's direct number?
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #101
174. I called and left a clear message

of my feelings about his behavior.

I encourage everyone to call and leave your message.
He should have a good time getting all the messages off on Monday.
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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 11:42 AM
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208. just left voice mail for Blackwell
damn.......that felt good

impeach this asshole
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:20 PM
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102. Hulk angry kick!!!!! n/t
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EMunster Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:22 PM
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103. I sent the radio left link to the Akron Beacon reporters...
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EMunster Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:28 PM
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105. Diary at Kos...probably links already here....
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:31 PM
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106. Has someone informed Conyers & Arnebeck yet?
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EMunster Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:34 PM
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111. If it really happened yesterday morning, I'd hope they'd know...
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EMunster Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #111
112. Funny -- did arnebeck make any mention of hte story on Randi Rhodes?
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Pepper32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #112
140. No
Arnebeck did not mention this story on Rhodes show yesterday. I listened to the show twice.

This comes as a complete shock...!

It's TIME to take to the streets, the republiCONS are hoping we don't. This is our TRUE Power against them.
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loritooker Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:42 PM
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115. I called Arnebeck and e mailed him
I left a voicemail for Mr. Arnebeck and e mailed him, too. Also e mailed some other members of Alliance for Democracy.http://www.thealliancefordemocracy.org/html/eng/2209-AA...
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rdmccur Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:31 PM
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107. Will the msm pick up on this?
I hope but do not expect.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:33 PM
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109. KIck
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:40 PM
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113. Just sent to CNN newstips
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:41 PM
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114. Sent the following to Springfied News reporter. (Greene County)
To: DianeErwin, County Government Reporter

Subject: Blackwell Locks Down Ohio Voting Records

Ohio Election Investigation Thwarted by Surprise Blackwell Order

Dayton, Ohio Friday December 10, 2004

On Friday December 10 two certified volunteers for the Ohio Recount team assigned to Greene County were in process recording voting information from minority precincts in Greene County, and were stopped mid-count by a surprise order from Secretary of State Blackwells office. The Director Board of Elections stated that all voter records for the state of Ohio were locked-down, and now they are not considered public records.

http://fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com/2004/12/blackwe...

Ohio Revised Code Title XXXV Elections, Sec. 3503.26 that requires all election records to be made available for public inspection and copying. ORC Sec. 3599.161 makes it a crime for any employee of the Board of Elections to knowingly prevent or prohibit any person from inspecting the public records filed in the office of the Board of Elections. Finally, ORC Sec. 3599.42 clearly states: A violation of any provision of Title XXXV (35) of the Revised Code constitutes a prima facie case of election fraud within the purview of such Title.

Contact Information: Joan Quinn (937) 320-9680, (916) 396-9714 cell Katrina Sumner (937) 608-5861

====================================================================

Do Blackwells actions constitute a prima facie case of election fraud?




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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #114
116. The Daily Kos article is
linked from Buzzflash now.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:49 PM
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117. According to this site, Ohio impeachment laws provide
that an official can be impeached if he/she commits a misdeameanor while in office.

Misdemeanor in office
FL, KY, ME, NB, NJ, OH

Misdemeanor in office
(Ohio Rev. Code Ann. , Art. 2 23 and 24)xii
xii Misdemeanor is probably used in this section in the generic sense of misdeed. (Editors Comment)

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2004/rpt/2004-R-0146.htm

================
Is the AG of Ohio a repuke or dem? What about the gov?
Sounds to me like impeachment proceedings against Blackwell would be very appropriate right now since he is in violation of a court order. Isn't that a misdeed? Has his office filed legal documents appealing the Court ordered recount?



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senegal1 Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #117
196. There are current impeachment proceedings taking place
againist the Sec of State in Nevada. Apparently she used her office and staff as a Bush Campaign headquarters. Has anyone verified this story about Blackwell yet?
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 07:43 AM
Response to Reply #117
205. stop him now
He is a repug....hopes to be the next governor of ohio.... :crazy:
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:49 PM
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118. WRITE THE INTERNATIONAL MONITORS!
Edited on Sat Dec-11-04 12:57 PM by Ojai Person
Ask them to issue a strong statement to the international and US press.

Tell them that
1) The issue is not over because Kerry conceded; we, the citizens of the US, have a right for the world to know that our election was fraudulent.
2) The Bush administration is stonewalling our efforts to get at the truth.

Beg them!!!!

Urdur.Gunnarsdottir@odihr.pl
nell@fairelection.us

and write Danish Reporter because he has access to some of them:
bo.elkjaer@eb.dk

Edited to add:
And you might mention that Greene County is home to Triad.
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loritooker Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 01:00 PM
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124. Done!
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 08:08 PM
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200. done!
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stella2cat Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:53 PM
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121. sent it to John Ursch at the Xenia Daily Gazette n/t
Edited on Sat Dec-11-04 12:53 PM by stella2cat
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tandem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:56 PM
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122. kick
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:59 PM
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123. has anyone alerted Air America?
get this moving, quick
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Pepper32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 01:01 PM
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125. What can we do about Blackwell? There is a grand cover up in progress
...and we need stop this NOW. This bastard Katherine Blackwell must be stopped! :grr:

They are fighting us but we MUST fight back!
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frictionlessO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 01:02 PM
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126. reply #55 is from Mrbeckerman himself, or so hey says, read it.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 01:03 PM
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127. Kick!
Edited on Sat Dec-11-04 01:04 PM by Window
They are so obvious with their dirty-dealing ways. When is it going to be time for these criminals to pay the piper?
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 01:07 PM
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128. bump it up n/t
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 01:11 PM
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129. Emailed 3 sources to help
Someone please post links to media.
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rockedthevoteinMA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #129
172. Here DU's got it's own media blaster
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cu/cu.php?az=blast...

and courtesy of tommcintyre:

http://www.independentmediasource.com/voteintegrity.htm

New and Improved!

Now you can use the National Media Blaster* to reach the top 98 national media contacts with just one click of your email send button! And, if you choose, you can reach a total of 391 with just three more clicks!

In addition, there is a "Tell Everyone You Know" page that will enable you to quickly email all your personal contacts.
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 01:15 PM
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130. More Confirmation and Suspicious Activity in Greene County
I just spoke to Katrina Sumner who's cell phone is listed at the end of this story:
http://fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com/2004/12/ohio-el...

Katrina is at the Greene County BOE in Ohio right now. She said they got their early this morning to begin canvasing.

They noticed a light on in the building that was not on last night. They checked the door and the BOE in Greene County and it was unlocked. She suspects that it had been unlocked all night!

This would mean that the Voting Records that Mr. Blackwell "locked down" were available for anyone who decided to walk into the building during the night, according to Katrina.

She has sent the earlier story to her media contacts but this new information has not been reported because they are waiting on law enforcement and lawyers.

Stay tuned... it sounds like we will be hearing more soon.
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momzno1 Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #130
138. weren't there other incidents of polling places and offices
left open overnight - not necessarily in Ohio, but I wonder why they are left open? Could they be inviting "someone" to come in the night to "clean up" fraud evidence???
this makes me fucking crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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blueatheart Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #138
194. somewhere in Florida
I believe Volusia County, but do not quote me, the doors weren't locked overnight.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 01:22 PM
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131. .
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 01:24 PM
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133. Started New Thread
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 01:28 PM
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134. Eve Roberson... the second volunteer (election official)
There is an Eve Roberson, an officer in the League of Women Voters, Sonoma County (Calif.). I wonder if it could be the same person?
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 01:31 PM
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135. Kick
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 01:35 PM
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137. Greene County college students

Progressive/liberal Antioch College in Yellow Springs is just down the road from Xenia (wasn't sure if that's where the board of elections is) Seems perhaps activist students on that campus, and some traditionally black colleges in the area (like Central State)could be activated by the Green party...
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #137
145. Exactly my thought
Antioch College is about as progressive as they come.
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mbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #137
153. There was a very articulate college student at the Conyers hearing
which I saw on C-Span. Get as many college students from Ohio on this as you can. That will definitely turn up the heat. These people need to obey the law. This charade has gone far enough!
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:33 PM
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158. Yeah, Kenyon College student - he was good
I'm not sure where Kenyon is, but I'd bet he'd be up for a protest in Greene county.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #158
173. he was excellent....
can you imagine? At that age, in that room, surrounded by all those wonderful people? I was so proud, and he's not even my kid! :pals:
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:18 AM
Response to Reply #137
204. Antioch College is 8 miles from Xenia...
It's a very progressive school.

The college radio station is WYSO.

http://www.wyso.org
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 01:45 PM
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141. Kickin' mad.
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 01:52 PM
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143. You Have Twisted Up Their Thongs"...THANKS!!
Edited on Sat Dec-11-04 01:52 PM by Shalom
Their discomfort at the thread you have started is matched only by our glee!!

While calling for outrage and protest, it is GOOD NEWS: Shows that Uncle Tom Blackwell and the cheating, mother-fucking repig pedophiles are up against the wall !!
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stella2cat Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 01:55 PM
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144. ah, you took the words right out of my mouth! n/t
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 01:58 PM
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146. I'm stuck between rage and hope....
Remember what Gandhi says about first being ignored, then ridiculed - after that comes THE FIGHT! Here we go...

I just used the media blaster to send out 231 emails stating that Blackwell must be investigated and condemned!

This move on his part will make it more clear to doubters that this election was stolen from Abba to Zed....

More prayer -- O8)

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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:09 PM
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147. Their own sliminess will sink them

Have no fear.
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EMunster Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:11 PM
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148. kick
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stella2cat Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:18 PM
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149. kick
:kick:
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:19 PM
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150. Kick
:kick:
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:21 PM
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151. This makes them look so much worse and that is terrific.
They are obviously hiding things. The action of Katherine Blackwell only make them look worse. It is so great. His actions leave such a bad taste in the mouths of anyone concerned about transparency, fairness, etc. I guess this is their only option though, because to allow the records to be reviewed would reveal foul play. Hmm. I am fascinated. Wonder what will happen next?
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #151
155. Yep, worse & worse

I kind of feel like this Bernard Kerik withdrawel bullshit - with the lame excuse of a nanny problem, like who believes that - is in some cosmic way related to the gradual collapse of their whole fraudulent empire...
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corker Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:22 PM
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152. kick
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:28 PM
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154. I sent an e-mail out to everyone I know with this news...everyone
ought to share it. Broadcast it far and wide.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:30 PM
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156. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:32 PM
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157. who are you talking to?
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:35 PM
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159. Yeah, who're you talking to?
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shakerbaker Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #156
164. Rude and Hateful
that is what people like you represent.Win no matter how you get.
Lie, cheat and steal.Those are not American values that you represent.

Now go read a book. You might learn something.
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mbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #156
167. We use our minds and we can think and we don't have to call people
names! Respect for others and love of country is our mantra. We don't have to hate!
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:39 PM
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160. Call TV stations in big cities around the country.
They love action stories like this, and can afford to jump on it.

The DU media blaster is great for finding some of them. Call them if you can--there's a news tip number on most websites. This is a hot news tip. And it's going to get even hotter.

Media Blaster
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cu/cu.php?az=blast ...



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EMunster Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:39 PM
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161. kick
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EMunster Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:39 PM
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162. kick
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EMunster Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:40 PM
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163. kick
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:43 PM
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165. kick
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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:43 PM
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166. Olbermann looking into it...
According to an e-mail reply.
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 03:08 PM
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168. Any other news from the recounters?
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 06:41 PM
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192. Fantastic! Good work!
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stella2cat Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 03:33 PM
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169. keep this one kicked too
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 03:41 PM
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170. Just heard the news.......
Bernard Kerik's out, not because of any nanny problems, but because he had a warrent out for his arrest!! Something to do with a condo he owned in NJ. Newsweek apparently reported this (sorry can't find thread)!!
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KatieB Donating Member (431 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 04:59 PM
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184. He also had a huge conflict of interest- $62 mill windfall from selling
stun guns to Homeland Security Department.
--------
Democrats also were focusing on Kerik's recent windfall, which he made by exercising stock options in a stun gun company that does business with the Department of Homeland Security.

Kerik's announcement marked an unusual disruption in the White House's normally well-choreographed personnel moves. But he is not the first prominent government official to fall victim to the ``nanny problem.''
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But the only moderately troubling information uncovered about Kerik so far had been news that he had earned $6.2 million by exercising stock options he received from Taser International, which had a lucrative relationship with the Homeland Security Department, this official said.

Kerik's first anti-terrorism work was as a paid private security worker in Saudi Arabia. He joined the New York Police Department in 1986, first walking a beat in Times Square. He eventually was tapped to lead the city's Corrections Department and was appointed commissioner in 2000.

It was in that position that he became known to the rest of the country, supervising the NYPD's response to the 2001 terror attacks. In 2003, he took on a temporary assignment in Iraq to help rebuild the country's police force. Most recently, he has been a consultant for Giuliani Partners, working to rebuild Baghdad's police force.
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 03:45 PM
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171. Get this Story to the Media
There have been a lot of great suggestions. Please excuse me for not mentioning the author of each suggestion.


DU MEDIA BLASTER:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cu/cu.php?az=blast...

and this is a large list of national media sources http://www.rumormillnews.com/MEDIA_EMAIL_ADDRESSES.htm


INTERNATIONAL MONITORS:
Tell them we need for them to issue a strong statement to the international and US press.
Tell them:
1) The issue is not over because Kerry conceded; we, the citizens of the US, have a right for the world to know that our election was fraudulent.
2) The Bush administration is stonewalling our efforts to get at the truth.
Beg them!!!!
Urdur.Gunnarsdottir@odihr.pl
nell@fairelection.us

and write Danish Reporter because he has access to some of them:
bo.elkjaer@eb.dk

Mention the connection between Greene County and Triad if it is something you know about.


CONTACT BLACKWELL:
I have just updated Blackwell action to reflect this new info
http://www.stolenelection2004.com/alerts.html#blackwell

Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell
Email: blackwell@sos.state.oh.us
Phone: (614) 466-2585 (New)Fax: (614) 644-0649
TOLL FREE: 1 877 767 3453

You can also contact Ohio media
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/dbq/media/?command=...

C. You can contact the Ohio Governor at http://governor.ohio.gov/contactinfopage.asp phone: 1614 466-3555


Another thread with more information is here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 04:22 PM
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175. WHAT THE HELL??
Who's on the case? Do we have an update?
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #175
176. No updates yet. I don't know who is on the case but I have
been watching this since it unfolded.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #175
178. Will Pitt ..speech for tomorrow...
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 04:45 PM
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180. There are some updates
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sepia_steel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 04:30 PM
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177. Emailed him (heh) and kick! n/t
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ccarter84 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 04:43 PM
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179. kick
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darkism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 04:50 PM
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181. kick WTF
:kick:
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 04:50 PM
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182. lol
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 04:54 PM
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183. My ceremonial "First" Kick (personal celebration)
Edited on Sat Dec-11-04 04:55 PM by Horse with no Name
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 05:18 PM
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186. What the hell is Kathrine Blackwell......
Trying to hide here? The smoking gun!! If it wasn't why the hell would he be locking down any damn thing? It is time to slam the hell out of this bastard!!! Bring the sorry lying bastard down! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 05:20 PM
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187. Exactly! If we are so wrong, so way off, why all the lock down
stuff? He's hiding something and we are going to find it. We are NOT going quietly this time around. They better get used to the noise.
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frictionlessO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 05:45 PM
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189. kicked with care!
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dewaldd Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 06:28 PM
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190. TRIAD IS IN XENIA, GREENE COUNTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Triad provides punch card election services to half of Ohio. They are based in Xenia.
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googly Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 06:40 PM
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191. The repug strategy is becoming clear....
run out the clock past inauguration date of Jan 20th, 2005.
They know very well that the majority repugs in congress will then protect shrub.
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mulethree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 06:43 PM
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193. Historical precedent - he did it in 2002
a yahoo search on "Poll books are public record"

There was a July 2002 editorial in the tribunechronicle about
Blackwell and the Trumbull county BOE denying access to poll books
Claiming that during a recount they are required to secure the records
and, evidently securing them requires denying access to them.

The tribunechronicle no longer has the article online
BUT
from the yahoo search, you can select "Cached" and read a copy of the article thats stored in yahoo
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stella2cat Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 07:42 PM
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197. kick it again
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 08:01 PM
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198. Cobb's web-site the recount wouldn't start until, 14-15-or 16th
So since the Cobb people don't have their staffeven trained yet...take this recent Blackwell item with a grain of salt.

http://www.votecobb.org/
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 08:22 PM
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202. anyone who stands in the way of the truth ..this time...is going to jail
or at least that is my hope...there has gotta be a law which can be enforced ....now...not next year....or in four years..obstruction of the truth of the American vote...give me a break....this cannot fly...i say arrest him ....then impeach him...and send him to jail for a very long time.....he is not just messing with Ohio...he is messing with my America..and I am sick of it...how can one moron get away with this....how is it possible....what have we become?..he needs to get out of the way immediately by order of the American people....and all of the laws which protect our single most inherent right....he is nobody....he is one person....there are millions of us who know he is behaving criminally...yet this is infuriating because we are letting him get away with it...he must be stopped on Monday ....in handcuffs and an orange jumpsuit on Tuesday...no bail...
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Stop Shrub Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 08:05 PM
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199. lets do something about it
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Lisabtrucking Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 07:48 AM
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206. Maybe they realized they didn't fix the books yet.
How do they think we wouldn't be suspicious? I know when my children try to hide things, it's bad and mom will get mad. I think this is what we are witnessing here.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 10:47 AM
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207. Move Along Their is NOTHING TO SEE Here ..... Move Along!
The Columbus Dispatch had an Editorial this AM which all but said get over it Bush won Kerry lost. Get over it. 2 short words FUCK YOU. I live in Ohio and saw and
heard voter "irregularities" first hand.

:kick: :bounce: :kick: :bounce: :kick: :bounce:
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 11:47 AM
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209. Blackwell's going to jail
some day, after the truth finally comes out.
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BEdasein Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:44 PM
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215. take action NOW
this is not a time for us to wait for the lawyers or the politicians to hand out justice. we must demand it ourselves and embolden the lawyers and politicians with our presence. take to the streets wherever you can. be there, 'cause no one else can be there for you.

we are all outraged at the jim crow tactics that blackwell is using to stall bush's way into power again. if you're outraged then PROVE IT!

ORGANIZE
BE THERE

my sister and i stood alone at the idaho statehouse today to ensure idaho was not left behind in the 51 capital march. we were alone but we were proud. the keyboard is not enough friends. PLEASE!!

BE
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:47 PM
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216. Yay!
Pebbles in the stream. I am so proud that you were there!
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BEdasein Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:54 PM
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217. keepin' it alive
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BEdasein Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:56 PM
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218. it may seem futile
but perhaps we should bombard a kerry contact with outrage that he isn't in front of a tv camera going off about this? we need to hound his @$$

BE
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 05:34 PM
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220. You were not alone
Way to go, Be. We had 60+ on the steps of the Connecticut capitol. I went this morning assuming it would be 4 of us. I went anyway. Thank god we had 60 plus 2 TV cameras. The thing is, you know you spoke out and it will help you tolerate the next four years of lying, and you've got a powerful story to tell to get others to come out when the draft starts. This was just a beginning. We're going to need these healthy places to vent our frustration. You should register at 51capitolmarch.com and they'll use you for whatever comes next.

You know you had your say, and every act of dissent scares them. It all counts. Idaho showed! "Count Every Vote! Every Vote COunts!"
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consciousobjector Donating Member (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:42 PM
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219. Dayton Daily News has carried the story
Sunday, Dec. 12, 2004 - Blackwell claims lockdown is just an extension of a "canvassing period" that usually lasts 10 days after an election. He's extending it because "an official recount is underway". "LeParo said the records are to be treated with the UTMOST CARE until the recount is over".

If leaving the door unlocked over night is "utmost care" ....

BTW - I think the colleges in question are the two historically black universities in Wilberforce - Wilberforce University and Central State University. The student union building at Central State was a polling place and there were some "dirty tricks " being played on Nov 2 this year.
I was working at the Dem headquarters in Xenia that day doing GOTV phone calls and so only caught part of what was happening, but early afternoon there was a problem with missing voter lists (names of those who had already voted that morning) at Central State. The runner who was supposed to pick up the list from the poll watcher said the list was given to someone posing as the runner before he arrived. Don't know what happened after that. Also there was word that a Repug challenger told a student who had just voted that it was illegal for him to go round up other students on campus to remind them to vote - called it "illegal electioneering"
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 05:50 PM
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221. Dayton Daily News: It's official: Recountgate
Greene County elections board scrutinized
Office containing ballots found unlocked overnight

By Mehul Srivastava

Dayton Daily News

XENIA | Election observers examining Greene County voter records were told Friday the records were to be sealed after Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell ordered county boards of election to consider all election-related records as falling within a "canvassing period."

This period usually lasts about 10 days after the election, but was being extended because an official recount is under way in the state, according to Blackwell spokesman Carlo LoParo.

LoParo said the records are to be treated with the "utmost care" until the recount is over.

The two election observers say they later found the Greene County Board of Elections office unlocked Saturday morning, fueling their suspicions they weren't allowed to examine records that might have been tampered with.

"It is shocking that they would first deny us access, and then leave the records unlocked overnight," said Joan Quinn, a retired lawyer from Sacramento, Calif., an election observer acting on behalf of the Green Party, which asked for a recount of the Ohio presidential vote.

Election board officials returned Saturday afternoon to lock up the building after they were told of the security lapse.

They said that while the building had been left unlocked by mistake, voter records are kept in a separate locked room, and had not been tampered with.

"The records are safe, the ballots are still locked and we can have our computers checked to see if they have been tampered with," said Llyn McCoy, deputy director of the Greene County Board of Elections.

But Quinn and her colleagues say that when they entered the unlocked building, voting machines and voter records had been left in the open.

Quinn said that she and her fellow observer were looking into the low turnout recorded in minority precincts, especially precincts 354, 224, and 355, which recorded voter turnouts in the 50 percent range, while the average for Greene County was 74 percent. While examining those records, she said, they were informed of the "lockdown" order.

"I haven't heard anything about it," said Fred Hall III, president of the Greene County elections board.

Contact Mehul Srivastava at (937) 225-2432. Staff writer Jim Bebbington contributed to this report.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 12:49 AM
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224. Conyers press release
PRESS RELEASE

CONGRESSMAN JOHN CONYERS, JR.
FOURTEENTH DISTRICT, MICHIGAN
RANKING MEMBER, COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY
DEAN, CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS
________________________________

IMMEDIATE RELEASE: December 12, 2004
CONTACT: Dena Graziano (202) 226-6888

Conyers Alarmed at Efforts to Obstruct Ohio Recount Effort, Calls Witness to Monday Hearing to Detail Such Efforts

Yesterday, it came to the attention of the House Judiciary Committee Democratic Staff that efforts to audit poll records in Greene County, Ohio are being obstructed by County Election officials and/or Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell. According to Joan Quinn and Eve Robertson, two election observers researching voting records, Greene County officials initially gave Quinn and Robertson access to poll records, and then abruptly withdrew such access. Greene County Director of Elections Carole Garman claimed that she had withdrawn access to the voting records at the direction of Secretary Blackwell. Regardless of who ordered the denial of this access, such an action appears to violate Ohio law. Later, at the same office, election observers found the office unlocked, and what appeared to be locked ballot boxes, unattended. Prior to the withdrawal of access to the books, observers had found discrepancies in election records, and possible evidence of minority vote suppression.

House Judiciary Committee Democrats wrote a letter to Blackwell on December 2 requesting answers to 34 questions about election irregularities and fraud in Ohio. This letter included questions about major discrepancies in Perry County poll books. Since that letter, additional documentation has been provided to the Democratic staff demonstrating similar problems in other counties.

Because of the urgency of the Greene County matter, Congressman John Conyers, Jr., Ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee, has requested that Ms. Quinn testify at a hearing scheduled Monday in Columbus, Ohio. Ms. Quinn has agreed to do so and will also present sworn statements from corroborating witnesses. Conyers issued the following statement:

"The Recount effort is simply a search for the truth of what happened during the 2004 Presidential election in Ohio. We have now repeatedly seen election officials obstruct and stonewall this search for the truth. I am beginning to wonder what it is they are trying to hide."

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VTHoosierPatriot Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:27 AM
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225. Who would have thought we would ever be admiring the Ukraine for..
their competence in holding fair elections?
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