Madsen says new article forthcoming re: tieing it together and decoys

[jamboi]

I asked Madsen if a new article could be expected he says in part:

"Yes, my major article we'll tie this together -- <...words removed by JamBoi to protect story until Madsen releases...> of course was a clever decoy but we know why they out that out.

Q&A will have to wait a while -- my sources are now in DC with me

w"

[IAMREALITY]

1. Jamboi,

Thank you, as always....

[jamboi]

18. New article to include info from sworn affadavit. Its solidifying. n/t

[rdmccur]

88. Wow!

[Stephanie]

2. Um - why post to say nothing?

Are you playing "I have a secret?"

[mikeylove]

3. I think he's actually doing everyone a great service...

...in keeping the forums electrified with anticipation.

It can help us through the lulls. :)

[rockedthevoteinMA]

4. Will it be long?

Thank you Jamboi! :)

[jamboi]

17. Not sure yet. I get the impression not too long. n/t

[jamboi]

23. Madsen: toughest story I think I've tackled > Rwanda, OJ hacked??

When I sent along a lead yesterday Madsen's reply (yesterday) was:

I'll check it out -- I've been on the phone and pounding the keyboard all day -- this is the toughest story I think I've tackled and I was in Rwanda to investigate the genocide!!!

BTW, it seems all of Onlinejournal's most recent articles, including my third piece, have disappeared.

wayne

[Chasing Dreams]

26. Madsen's Onlinejournal articles are back up. n/t

[Razorback_Democrat]

67. LINK? N/T

[jamboi]

69. http://onlinejournal.com and look under Special Reports. n/t

[jamboi]

45. Madsen's Next article: This weekend

Madsen writes:
"
(JamBoi writes) Do you have an idea when the next article will come out?

(Madsen replies)
This weekend... hearings in the House Judiciary Committee next week on vote fraud - we were in John Conyers's office today and shared the evidence we've collected.

wayne"

[jamboi]

46. .

[geo]

71. very cool update...

:) -G

[Razorback_Democrat]

87. kick n/t

[Farmgirl]

89. Jamboi....

First, thanks a billion for this post and connecting Madsen with all of us DUers! Did Madsen say, or did you ask how receptive John Conyers was in receiving this information (I guess what I'm trying to get at is whether John Conyers thought it was "looney" or really, really telling evidence)? Thoughts?

[jamboi]

90. He didn't give any indication that there was any resistence to his message

He writes fairly tersely, so he didn't say a lot (think I've posted it here), but it sounded very business-like. Sounded like it was recieved well.

[Shalom]

92. CONYERS Is a HERO for MEETING with Madsen

For those who recall how "right-on" Congressman Conyers was during the phoney Clinton impeachment farce, it's great to see him in action again.

Madsen's assertions thus far have been at the edge of credibility, yet much of what he says seems to have lots of merit, so that many are taking a protective "wait and see" attitude.

The fact that Conyers is willing to jump right in and even MEET with Madsen speaks volumes about his courage and his character. It also implies that Conyer's staff have vetted some of Madsen's claims, and found them worth checking out - an encouraging sign.

Conclusion: If not JOHN KERRY for President, then JOHN CONYERS !!

[jamboi]

93. Madsen replies that the Conyer House Dems hearings will be a "forum" only

(Farmgirl asked): "(I guess what I'm trying to get at is
whether John Conyers thought it was "looney" or really, really telling
evidence)? Thoughts?"

Madsen responds:

"Conyers and others are holding a "forum" a sort of "faux hearing" -- no sworn testimony, etc (GOP will not allow a full Judiciary Cte) hearing -- Wed in House Rayburn Bldg Rm 2237. However, proceedings can be entered into Congressional Record."

[mulethree]

98. Monday Morning

On the radio tonight he said he hoped to finish it tonight and
have it posted tomorrow morning.

[geo]

5. No to mention that, but the fact that Mr. Madsen is in D.C. with

said sources is a good sign. :) -G

[kk897]

22. yeah, at least his sources are still alive! we were kind of worrying about

them on some of the other threads.

[Razorback_Democrat]

13. I'm with you Stephanie, he could have just said Wayne will be

posting an article again soon, instead there is a little bit of "I've got a secret" that I see, but to each their own.

[jamboi]

15. Well, I have great sympathy w/ your point, and wish I could say more

I'm just not able to quite yet. Its coming...

[Razorback_Democrat]

48. Okay, thanks

I just said what I thought

Will look forward to the article!

[papau]

6. I like hearing that I will hear soon! thanks for posting! :-)

:toast:

:-)

[mirandapriestly]

7. thank you

I can't wait!

[eleny]

8. Thanks for the notice

It's much appreciated.

[in_cog_ni_to]

9. It's nice to know his sources are still alive!

Thanks for the post. I hope he's being careful and is protected by more than his Smith and Wesson. :scared:

[AnIndependentTexan]

10. just means he is bringing us a christmas gift early

[Ducks In A Row]

11. looking foward to it.

[propagandafreegal]

12. Why is he posting his every move? I appreciate what he is doing but....

isn't he concered that this is an OPEN board and that people who might not want him to progress in his investigation are reading this?

[Broken Acorn]

14. Madsen is safe

in his secure, undisclosed bunker ^^

[propagandafreegal]

20. I hope so! :) nm

[jamboi]

16. I'm only posting what Madsen is ready to let be known. n/t

[Viktor Runeberg]

19. New queue larr

What, you think the gov is already following our man, and all they have to do is see who he's with to know who his sources are?

Or should we presume that his sources have their own power base? Keep in mind that he's in computer security circles at the level where a dozen of his friends could most likely shut down the whole Internet in an hour. Not all of corporate nor of spook America is on the side of the Bush coop, not by a long shot, and there are other forms of power than armies.

The greatest real danger may be that as Bush sees this all coming down he may resort to the _true_ nuclear option, and give his Xian followers the End Time they constantly pray for. Hopefully, as with Nixon's last days, the generals have a plan to prevent this.

[Shalom]

21. Good Observation, Viktor...

You've got to imagine that Wayne knows the game very well, and is not having face-to-face meetings with his top sources - it's really not necessary in this age.

On the other hand, you can't be too careful....the Bushitler Mafia has lots of people and money to track thing down, and arrange "unfortunate incidents".

Madsen has been holding back some of his info in order to avoid libel suits, but I hope he's smart enough to set up a "time bomb", which will explode like a shitstorm, if anything was to happen to him.

[geo]

24. kick

kick

[jamboi]

47. .

[jamboi]

49. .

[jamboi]

73. .

[BernieBear]

76. Who is Wayne Madsen? Thanks! n/t

[IAMREALITY]

77. .

:eyes:

[jamboi]

79. For some background, see http://www.legjoints.com/WayneMadsen n/t

[BernieBear]

81. Thanks. Very Interesting n/t

[jamboi]

25. More from Madsen: Marion Horn Jr. or "JR"

"Okay, I guess its time to find out about Mr Horn..
Could you ask people to go to this MSN Groups site:

http://groups.msn.com/civilcase03-0725USDistCourtWashingtonD-C"

[rockedthevoteinMA]

27. what are we supposed to do? Join? n/t

[jamboi]

28. You mean to read MSN info? well I joined so I could look at it. n/t

[Vote4Kerry]

41. kick

[jamboi]

91. .

[Twist_U_Up]

29. Im in I see new members

I see casalaro Now what?

[Twist_U_Up]

30. ahhh wow nevermind Thanks Jamboi n/t

[merh]

44. I joined, but I don't know what I am supposed to be

seeing. :shrug: so confused. :dunce:

[Razorback_Democrat]

68. I hear ya!

seems like a strange place to be

the manager is supposedly Horn himself?

and these are his files?

why would he post them on a group?

really wierd site if you ask me

[jamboi]

70. Did you see my post 55? Don't know if it applies or not n/t

[merh]

75. It was a very weird group discussion site.

Needless to say, I don't think I will be discussion anything, though I find his proposed affidavit entertaining.

Hey, welcome to DU! :hi:

[mirandapriestly]

31. is it this guy

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2004/11/exposed-funding-vote-fraud-five-star.html
I've tried some preliminary Googling on Five Star Trust (which is also spelled "5 Star Trust"). One citation goes to a court case listed here, involving one Marion Horn, Jr., a.k.a. "J.R. Horn," a one-time Republican candidate in Kentucky later convicted of wire fraud. (Also see here and here.) From what I can tell, the guy received a ridiculously attentuated sentence -- 18 months -- for a serious crime (one commentator mentioned the figure of "$1B") committed while on parole for a similar offense.

Eighteen months...! Isn't it nice to have friends?

[jamboi]

32. Yes, that's the guy! n/t

[Twist_U_Up]

33. My word pad won`t open docs.

how bout anyone else ?

[jamboi]

35. Madsen on Five Star

Madsen wrote:
"Here's what's going on -- Bushes use Five Star to move massive amounts of money around for their special projects. It was started in the late 80s with stolen Philippine money."

[KoKo]

37. The "Night of the Generals" maybe....

[jamboi]

39. More Madsen on 5 Star

Madsen writes:
"Horn uses Five Star Investment -- a con artist company registered in the Isle of Man -- to throw off people looking at Five Star Trust, another but real Isle of Man"

[kk897]

40. this is blowing my mind. n/t

[Razorback_Democrat]

51. Okay, THIS IS WIERD! Marion Horn Jr. is "Manager" of MSN group

cut and pasted from members page

Member Information

Goldeneagle89421
Instantly receives group messages in inbox.

Name
Marion Horn, Jr. Age
62

Gender
Male Marital Status
Married

Location
Lexington, Kentucky, United States

Occupation
Financial Advisor-Retired

Role in This Group: Manager
------------------------------------------------

Is this for REAL???

[Vote4Kerry]

52. That is weird!

I will forward it to Madsen!

[jamboi]

53. Whoa, good catch. The data is correct anyway. Hmmm... I'll send it

to Madsen.

[Razorback_Democrat]

54. Another Question: What is civil case 03-0725 ?????

I tried to look it up under the D.C. Civil Court using 0725 as the case number and the year 2003, to no avail.

Any thoughts

Anyone know what this case is?

I see a lot of documents

unsigned affidavits

letters from different people

But it all seems like gobbledeegook to me

[jamboi]

55. Here's something from Madsen, don't know if it applies:

Madsen:
(Horn) has filed a bunch of bogus exhibits in his civil suit against George W. Bush et al. in Washington, DC.

[jamboi]

58. Also this

" Some "national security" blanket has been invoked by DOJ in the Horn case."

[Razorback_Democrat]

60. Thanks, Check this out:

it's all very strange indeed

I just worry that Madsen's being played by someone here.

I read a blog about Marion Horn Jr. and the blogger was talking about horn being a known con man.

from the site:
"And Five Star Trust, as noted earlier, is a seriously suspicious company. Take the wheeler-dealer most closely associated with the company, J.R. Horn. This guy was convicted of wire fraud in 2001; while out on parole, he commited the same crime (the figure of a billion dollars has been mentioned), only to be sentenced to a mere 18 months. I can't help but compare Mr. Horn's cushy fate to those well-known cases of minor pot dealers sentenced to years in prison.

So why now does a touch of "buyer's remorse" color my initial enthusiasm for Madsen's piece?

Because everything about this "FIve Star" company reeks of con artistry. Yes, consters do frequently butt up against the worlds of covert operations, money laundering, espionage and so forth. Here's the problem: When you stumble into the world of the professional con artist, how do you know when -- or if -- these David Mamet characters are lying to you?

Those who followed parapolitical controversies in the 1990s may recall the "three Rs": Reed, Russbacher, and Riconosciuto. If you recognise those names, you'll know the difficulties of dealing with any source saddled with legal troubles and an elastic attitude toward the truth.

All of which makes me wonder about just who has been feeding Madsen his information. I'm sure that the writer himself is honest -- but what about his sources? Even the smartest researcher can be played for a sucker.

Madsen has promised a follow-up report very soon, so perhaps he will provide more details. Until then, we (or at least I) must face another poser:

I received a letter from someone unknown to me, telling me to place certain information on my blog. I won't reprint this text here, but a cautious summary should do no harm.

The badly-written letter stated that Greg Palast is working with Madsen on the "Five Star Trust" angle, and that they both need funding. I was directed to a web page offering a PayPal donation button.

The writer connected Five Star to CyberNet, which figures in Jeff Fisher's charges. You can read a good discussion of this business here.

This same letter also connected Five Star to Accenture, the Enron-linked (actually, Arthur Anderson-linked) offshore company which has received government contracts for a system identifying visitors to this country (photographs, fingerprints, perhaps even iris scans) and which also received a contract to provide the military with an online voting system, which bears the unnerving name "Secure Electronic Registration and Voting Experiment" (or SERVE). The letter closed with an unclear reference to the Green party.

This missive struck me as very suspicious. If Palast and/or Madsen need donations, surely they would make their own plea directly; why would they have Mr. Anonymous Stranger act on their behalf?

In short: I smell a scam. I've phoned Madsen and written Palast, and will soon know the facts. In the meantime, let me know if you have received a similar mailing."

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2004_11_21_cannonfire_archive.html

[jamboi]

72. Madsen on weird Horn MSN site

"Yes, I know Horn runs that site --all of those supporting docs he posted are (JamBoi's edit -- words implying that they are not real) -- but he's connected to all this at the same time.

wayne"

[Razorback_Democrat]

83. So I'm still in the dark about why Madsen wants us to go to that site?

I mean I really can't see anything to "do" there

What does Wayne want from us going to that site???

[jamboi]

85. Not sure. I think its more just about making people aware of Horn and

his dubious activities.

[Alizaryn]

63. Good catch

[ahyums]

34. sources in DC? sounds like things may be afoot

could he now have enough to make a difference in the issue at hand I wonder?

[jamboi]

36. Oh, I hope so! n/t

[Kellis]

38. I do too Jamboi

Thanks for posting the update from him.

[jamboi]

42. Madsen: More info coming in

Madsen writes:

"More info coming in -- we have the connection between and the programmers who rigged the election. It was tough but we just about have this thing nailed.. thanks for all your help -- you will see the results very soon. The Bushes were clever but not that clever.

wayne"

[Alizaryn]

43. Read the part on Madsen, about half way down

IF you have not..

http://www.cannonfire.blogspot.com/

[jamboi]

57. Madsen is well aware of the decoys and disinformation thrown his way

which he calls "decoys" and he's picking his way through the minefield.

[Vote4Kerry]

50. Great News!

Let's hope we crack this case!

[ValleyGirl]

56. I hope this pans out

I am fascinated by Madsen's reports. Have no idea if this stuff is fact or not but his stuff has been the most interesting, imo! Thanks for the updates jamboi :D

[mattclearing]

59. Funny.

Yeah. Sounds like, "Fact or fiction, this stuff is great!"

I'm sure a good bit of it is for real, but I'll be amazed if it becomes front page news. Even if it is true, it's totally unbelievable.

People look at me like I'm crazy when I acknowledge my feelings that the election was probably rigged. If I start spouting off about a Saudi/Enron/Bush conspiracy to rig the vote with fake FBI agents, I could get myself institutionalized.

[Razorback_Democrat]

61. Watergate sounded crazy too!

until the shit hit the fan!

plumbers

presidents hiring thieves

etc.

etc.

[jamboi]

62. Yes, I'm not expecting that the back story will go MSM soon, but the front

story is enough. That's the thing for us to concentrate on.

[ValleyGirl]

64. LOL - I know the feeling!

But imo the power of the MSM cannot be disregarded. We live in a media saturated country where everyone blindly believes whatever Katie & Matt tell them in the mornings. IF any of these reports from Madsen can be proven (or the other investigations by others) and the story gets legs it won't be so embarassing to talk about stolen elections and such, heh. But yeah, I pretty much keep my election beliefs to myself right now, lest I be fitted for one of these! :tinfoilhat:

[jamboi]

65. LOL. But House Dem Conyers have been briefed by Madsen, so

we'll see where it goes when their investigation starts next Wed.

[Quakerfriend]

66. Thanks Jamboi!

I'm amazed at how much of what Madsen says parallels Jeff Fisher's story! I'm on pins and needles and praying something breaks lose soon!!

[anamandujano]

78. I hope he's clean

we don't want anything sullying Conyers' credibility.

[jamboi]

80. Madsen clean? I don't think there's much doubt of that. Disinfoed

perhaps, we'll see but I don't think anyone has ever tried to say he's corrupt.

[MRKARNO]

82. Thanks Jamboi

for being our liason with Madsen and setting up that Q&A that one night a few nights ago.

"The Bushies were clever but not that clever."

This line is inspiring and this would lead me to believe he has something. I wish I could believe this stuff more than I currently do, but I'm expecting a letdown unless proven otherwise.

[jamboi]

84. well, so you take the "prepare for the worst and enjoy it if better" kind

of approach. Given what we have so far, I can understand that. Its still in the realm of faith, until it solidifies. Fortunately he says he's got at least one (and I hope more) affadavit so far.

[floridadem30]

74. Thanks for the post

[Razorback_Democrat]

86. kick n/t

[robbedvoter]

94. I posted his original article all over the place - since I researched his

writings - concluded he is a crock. Please maintain healthy skepticism.

[jamboi]

95. Healthy skepticism is good. Keep in mind that Madsen has given his

info to Kerry's folks, Conyers, MSM and they are all giving him a hearing at least. We'll just have to wait for more developments before we can make a definitive evaluation of the Madsen narrative visa vie vote rigging.

[Not_Without_A_Fight]

96. Madsen: new article written tonight, posted tonight or tommorrow AM.

In radio interview he says he'll submit it tonight and should be available tonight or tommorrow.

[IndyPriest]

97. Thanks! posted where? n/t

[Garbo 2004]

99. http://www.onlinejournal.com/index.html n/t