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bennywhale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 05:15 AM
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Charlie Clark and Big Blair at it already. ALL EU CITIZENS to be
fingerprinted.

The UK is using its presidency of the EU to push for fingerprinting on all ID cards across the EU, and also to push for bio-metric passports.

Alledgedly to conform with International standards, however international standards only require a digitised photo.

Even the US is not proposing this.

Is this the beginning of the EU's slide into police state in the wake of British suicide bombings?

Bollocks i bet it is.

http://www.statewatch.org/news/2005/jul/07eu-id-bio-pla...

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non sociopath skin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 06:05 AM
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1. And this will prevent events like last week's how, precisely?
Yes, we need to beware of gesture politics. For me, the big lesson now is to try to get behind what motivated the bombers.

Prevention is better than cure.

The Skin
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bennywhale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 07:08 AM
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2. If 19 billion is to be spent on ID cards i think we could stretch to more
than a tenner for investigating and addressing the underlying grievances within the Muslim community.

These grievances in no way justify murder, but it is from within these areas of disillusionment that the extremists poke around in, identifying, gullible, disturbed and probably outright nasty young men to recruit.

We might also wish to spend as much effort and money investigating worldwide grievances that draw young muslims towards the Wahhabi Sabtist murderous ideology.

We could possibly try empowering our Muslim leaders and communities, and giving them the confidence in Britain to identify and alienate any within their community that wish to do us harm.

And we could take a fundamental look at our relationship with the entire world. The twisted balances of power across the planet that fuels this nasty ideology.

Or i could just give my fingerprints to Charlie.

Furthermore he wants to index and track methodically all e-mail, text, and phone data across Europe. I'm sure the terrorists will be using the word "bomb" etc in their correspondence. Shit this might now incriminate me when Charlie's minions get their paws on it. The monitoring of email will be used to manipulate, coerce and oppress those who wish to legitimately act against the government, like protesters and demonstrators and the terrorists will be laughing at our incompetence at taking all our resources and money into such futile projects.
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Oggy Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 07:39 AM
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3. What is so ironic about this
is that fingerprinting technology has never been scientific. That is it has been developed by police forces across the world, but no scientific study has ever been made in to the accuracy of fingerprinting.

http://www.truthinjustice.org/fingerprint-myth.htm
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mr blur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:11 AM
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4. They've already admitted that ID cards wouln't have prevented
last week's bombings. Fuck them. They can take me to court before I'll get an ID card, just as the other lot had to when they brought in the Poll Tax. So many people refused to pay it that I got a call from the courthouse saying that they weren't going ahead - they had so many people to prosecute that tjhe court would be clogged up.
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bennywhale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 12:35 PM
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5. But what about your passport. that doesn't need legislation as its
voluntary. Its blackmail. "If you want to leave the country i'll have to scan your eyeball and take your fingerprints. DNA anyone?"

Then the ID card will just come through the letterbox. Another thing they are proposing concerning fines, is the power to basically raid peoples banks or wages. If you owe a fine it will be taken from you like a tax. so there'll be no day in court, the ID card will arrive and you'll be billed through your wages.

The day that happens is the day we've all lost and i will swim out into the North Sea hoping to hit land at a more sane destination.
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D-Notice Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 03:14 PM
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6. How about Ireland?
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fedsron2us Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 07:43 PM
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7. Give me all your freedom
and I will protect you claims Charles Clarke. Even though there is not a shred of evidence that carrying ID cards have any effect on suicide bombers. Why should anyone believe our beloved Home Secretary when he has made such a hopeless job so far. The statement made by the French interior minister, Sarkosky, suggests that the British government may not have been entirely truthful in its statements about what has been going on

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4680155.stm

Of course, Sarkosky may just be a liar as Clarke has more or less claimed but I do not see what reason he has got to spread malicious rumours. The French security services keep a keen eye on Islamic militants and this statement seems to be based on something more than gossip. They seem as dimayed as I am that the British governmemts response to a huge counter intelligence failure seems to be to a rush to impose draconian controls on the whole population of the EU. The Spanish suffered a far worse attack than Britain but as far as I am aware they have not asked for all EU citizens to be fingerprinted. Blair's government appears to be panicking in just the same way as those British administrations of the early 1970's when faced with the IRA bombing campaign.


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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 05:46 AM
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8. From The Times:
Two of the bombers wereknown to the police, despite claims that they were clean skins. Shehzad Tanweer was arrested for disorderly behaviour and Hasib Hussain was questioned over shoplifting, both last year. The two were cautioned but not charged.

Police sources also admitted that the name of one of the bombers had emerged during a major anti-terrorist operation last year. But he was neither arrested nor questioned.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22989-1693463,0...


Which may have been enough for Sarkosky to say what he did, especially with a translation to and from French.
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