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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 04:11 PM
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Tory-Alliance merger in 'real jeopardy': MacKay
Party's deputy leader furious over motion to give extra weight to ridings with more members


CANADIAN PRESS
MONTREAL — The deputy leader of the new federal Conservative party says the Tory-Alliance merger is in real jeopardy and is expressing second thoughts about helping to reunite the right.

Peter MacKay sounded that urgent tone today after some delegates to the party's founding policy convention voted to overturn a key principle in the deal to create the new party.

The Conservative party was born last year after an agreement to give equal weight at conventions to all ridings across the country — no matter how many members the riding has.

"For me, this was a deal-breaker."

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_PrintFriendly&c=Article&cid=1111142789478&call_pageid=968332188492

Well Peter. How does it feel?
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 05:21 PM
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1. Duh? What the hell did you think would happen? You never, never
voluntarily join up with neocons. Never let sociopaths or people who use the tools of sociopaths into your life.

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achtung_circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 05:22 PM
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2. Is anyone really surprised.
The deal was always about Reform taking over.

I decline to use the "Alliance" fiction.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 06:32 PM
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3. It was a takeover from the beginning,
all the rest was smoke and mirrors. If MacKay didn't see that then he is not fit to lead any party and, btw, he betrayed David Orchard and reneged on a deal he had with him during the faux merging of the Conservative and Alliance Parties, what goes around, comes around imo.

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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 12:52 PM
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5. He knew it from the beginning.
Mackay is nothing more than the slimiest political opportunist in Canada. He's just waiting for Harper to implode so he can do him the same way he did Orchard.

His sole credential (apart from thumping Belinda Stronach :puke:) is that he's the son of Elmer Mackay, one of Mulroney's main thugs. Other than that he's just a run of the mill talentless son of a bitch.

:grr:

GRATUITOUS DEFAMATION: Hard to believe he's not from New Brunswick (Province of Swine). :evilgrin:

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Wat_Tyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 11:58 AM
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4. There was never a 'unite the right' movement.
The right was already united. The PC's should have realized by this point that they are essentially centrists.
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Domitan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 03:16 PM
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6. Bring back the PC!
Progressive Canadians, that is. Let's hope that they bring in the Red Tories and other centrists in order to make an attractive alternative to the Liberals.
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Domitan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 03:22 PM
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7. Here's the link for the PC party
http://www.pcparty.org/

Bear in mind that the "conservatives" here likely are bloody liberals compared to a number of American Democrats.

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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 06:11 PM
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9. As I explained to David and Grant Orchard...
...I don't like the name "Progressive Canadian Party" because I think it sounds too exclusive and nationalistic to put "Canadian" in that position. If we can't use the word "Conservative", I'd feel more comfortable with the name "Canadian Progressive Party" or "Progressive Party of Canada". I'd like to join, but not if the party has a name that makes it sound as if members of other parties are somehow less Canadian.

At least David has the right idea of what a conservative really is -- i.e., not a neocon, that's for sure. So at the risk of confusing some, I think there's room on the political spectrum for the "Conservatives" (Alliance) and a newly formed, centrist Progressive Conservative Party. And the perfectly lawful appointment of two new Progressive Conservative senators, bringing the total to five, is the legal precedent we need in order to proceed with overturning the court decision disbanding the party.

And it's time we pushed the Conservatives to hand over the $70K that they owe David from his last leadership bid. I didn't donate to the Orchard campaign just so neocons and social conservatives could use it in their campaign to deny myself and other gay people equal rights to marriage.

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Siyahamba Donating Member (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 11:01 PM
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8. The whole merger process has been about being "electable"
From the Canadian Alliance, to the Conservative Party, this has all been an effort for the Reform Party to get into power. Trying to craft an electable image and selecting electable candidates. And obviously, they still haven't had any success. A good example to certain other parties in certain other countries that they shouldn't dwell on being "electable."
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