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vminfla Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 12:02 PM
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Strong support for Shariah in Canada
Source: Canoe.ca

A newly released survey suggests a large number of Muslims living in Canada will not disown Al-Qaida.

The study, conducted by the MacDonald Laurier Institute, found 65% of Muslims questioned said they would repudiate absolutely the terrorist organization, while 35% would not do so.

From a security perspective, it is difficult to know if a 65% rate of repudiation (of Al-Qaida) is re-assuring or a 35% failure to repudiate troubling, wrote study authors Christian Leuprecht, associate professor of the Royal Military College of Canada and Conrad Winn, Carleton University professor and president of COMPAS, a public opinion research firm.

The survey, which was released Tuesday, found 62% wanted some form of Shariah law in Canada, 15% of them saying it should be mandatory for all Muslims.


Read more: http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2011/11/01/1891121...
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 12:05 PM
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1. Nonsense bullshit headline. Unrecced.
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vminfla Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 01:19 PM
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4. Is it the statistical significance of the findings or the data collection process?
Was the sample size not sufficient? I have seen smaller sample sizes that were statistically accurate.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 01:46 PM
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5. My objection is crystal clear, your attempt to obfuscate notwithstanding.
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vminfla Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 01:54 PM
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6. Your objection is quite opaque
Your response is the equivalent of "nyah nyah nyah, I can't hear you".
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 12:09 PM
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2. Go to Iran!!!
They may have been born in Canada, but if they support terrorists and call for laws that violate civil and equal rights...then get the fuck on a plane back to the Muslim countries that hold their views...Iran comes to mind!

See the 35% want to have their cake and eat it too...they like the freedom that comes with living in a Western country, as long as they can deny those same freedoms to a segment of their community!

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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 12:42 PM
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3. Same boat as any Christian Fundy
who wants to legislate their beliefs.
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vminfla Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 03:21 PM
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7. What if they are not Shia?
But, yes, you are quite right. Over 60% of Muslims in Canada are foreign born and migrated to Canada within the last 20 years, availing themselves of the civil rights that they would demand to be eliminated under Sharia.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 07:34 PM
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9. can you elaborate for us?
... availing themselves of the civil rights that they would demand to be eliminated under Sharia.

You mean ... like the right to pay interest on loans?

A Shari'a scholar, are you?
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vminfla Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 08:35 AM
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11. Like the testimony of a woman is 1/4th of the man
That would be one example.

And, as you stated, it is haram to charge interest. However, the lender gets an equity stake in the company. The mob does that too.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 02:12 PM
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13. wooo, you've really got a hate on, doncha?
Edited on Thu Nov-03-11 02:13 PM by iverglas
Observant Muslims and the Mob, two peas in a pod.

I think the panel on Dragon's Den get an equity stake in the companies they invest in, too. As do all venture capitalists, etc. But maybe there's something in the judaeo-christian bible that says they shouldn't.

Maybe you're not aware that while Islam is montheistic, it isn't quite as monolithic as the religions you're perhaps more familiar with.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_of_women%27s_testim...

Tempest in a giant teapot.

Last time allowing Muslims to settle their own affairs, within the parameters of the constitution, was raised, you know what the result was?

Roman Catholics and Jews lost that privilege, which they had had since forever.

Didya know that part?

If there are Roman Catholics and Jews who believe they should still be able to settle their own affairs through their own ecceliastical or rabbinical courts, with their judgments enforceable in the ordinary courts, as they used to be, are they dangerous and unCanadian?



typo fixed
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vminfla Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 01:54 PM
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16. So you post a link stating that a woman's testimony is 1/4th the worth of a mans
And, there is a difference between venture capitalists where a person is looking for risk partners and a loan. What don't you like about interest?
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 02:47 AM
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18. no, I posted a link showing that Islam is not monolothic
And, there is a difference between venture capitalists where a person is looking for risk partners and a loan. What don't you like about interest?

What don't you like about the truth?

You appear to have an allergy to it, given that your posts are devoid of it.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 07:33 PM
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8. yes, the advice coming from the cheap seats is undoubtedly welcomed
Do you know anything about Shari'a?
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 09:33 PM
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10. One Total Bunch Of BS
The Survey suggests.

Study conducted by MacDonald Laurier Institute.
One complete piece of BS.

The Institute is listed here: The Macdonald-Laurier Institute (MLI) is a Canadian public policy think tank located in Ottawa. The Managing Director of MLI is Brian Lee Crowley who was also the founding President of the Atlantic Institute for Market Studies (AIMS), a think tank based in Atlantic Canada.

Founded in 2010, the group is named after two of Canadas earliest and most recognizable political leaders. Sir John A. Macdonald was Canadas first Prime Minister and Sir Wilfrid Laurier was the countrys first French-Canadian Prime Minister.<1> MLI is politically independent and a Canada Revenue Agency-registered charity for educational purposes.<2> Its official mandate is to make poor quality public policy unacceptable in Ottawa.<3>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macdonald-Laurier_Institut...

The OP says that the 455 interviews were done in 2008. Two whole years before this whole MacL BS name is even introduced!

And this piece has 6, 7, 10 intellectuals making intelligent comments? Make sure you know something before you want to be naked!
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vminfla Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 09:58 AM
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12. The study was funded by the University of Maryland
That MLI took the study results and performed the statistical analysis at a later date is inconsequential.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 02:23 PM
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14. by the way, I don't know Christian Leuprecht
but I do know Conrad Winn, having had him as a professor. Died in the tory blue wool, he is. And an unpleasant person. But I digress.

Compas is

http://www1.carleton.ca/polisci/people/winn-conrad

"research partner to the National Post, the Ottawa Citizen, and other media."

which, I assume, would be the other media in the empire of the late great other Conrad.

His publications include "CBC Television News Has a Bias Problem".

CBC isn't the only one, I'd say.

Forgive me, but I wouldn't trust this one's interpretation of data as far as I could chuck them.

There may be a link to the study itself in this thread; I shall look. I'm just curious what the 35% who didn't say they would repudiate absolutely actually said.

I wonder whether, if asked, they might have said that they oppose the invasion and occupation of Muslim countries by the US and its friends, or the propping up of dictators in Muslim countries by the US and its friends, or the vicious racism and bigotry directed against Muslims in western countries ... and so were just a wee bit ambivalent about the whole thing ...

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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 02:28 PM
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15. oh, and on that Shari'a stuff
I wonder how many Baptists or RCers or members of whatever Harper's church du jour is would tell pollsters that abortion should be illegal and same-sex marriage should not be allowed? Just for starters.

Probably not far off the 62% of Muslims sampled who favour applying Shari'a law, if not more, is my guess.

Funny how little we talk about them, isn't it?

And yet their views are far more vicious and UNCANADIAN than prohibiting the charging of interest on money.
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vminfla Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-11 02:58 PM
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17. Focusing on the unimportant interest issue when there are other factors not compatible with values
of the west.

How about that the punishment for killing a muslim is death, for killing a christian a fine. How about women's testimony is 1/4th that of man. etc. etc.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 02:52 AM
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 07:02 PM
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20. How bout Getting off a High Horse
Sharia law in Canada, almost

The introduction of sharia law in Ontario, Canada, was effectively recommended by a 2004 report which prompted debate and street protests, both for and against its findings.

Family faith-based tribunals had been set up by Catholic and Jewish communities following the passing of the province's Arbitration Act in 1991.

The act was an attempt to deal with a backlog of court cases. It enabled groups to use the guiding principles of their faith to help settle disputes over divorce, inheritance and custody.

In 2003, the Islamic Institute of Civil Justice said it intended to establish similar tribunals for the 400,000 Muslims who live in Ontario.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2008/feb/08/sharial...

Getting principles, contract and law all mixed up indicates a shit disturber. If you don't want a contract under defined rules then don't enter into those contracts. If you do you are being taken advantage of and you have my sympathy. Otherwise what should one suspect?

We live in Canada and we have our laws and our rights! Do you understand!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 07:14 PM
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 07:03 PM
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22. Locking
The OP appears to be rightwing material posted without intent to debunk.
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