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LiberadorHugo Donating Member (557 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 01:00 PM
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Sorry, but Stephen Harper is not only wrong about the issues...
Edited on Wed Oct-01-08 01:01 PM by LiberadorHugo
He's also, just as Presto the Pentecostal before him, a fucking moran. How the Hell do you intellectualize your way to a belief that the world is 6,000 years old and the Rapture is nigh, as Little Stevie Blunder claims to have done?
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 05:36 PM
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1. Where did he say this?
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LiberadorHugo Donating Member (557 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 08:17 PM
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2. Right here, comrade.
Ten years earlier, Harper admitted to the now-defunct Ottawa Times that when he was a teenager he "would have been an agnostic central Canadian liberal," but "life experiences" had led him to the Alliance church. He did not elaborate on those experiences, but according to others, Harper's evangelical conversion dates back to when he was helping Preston Manning hammer out the Reform Party's credo. Harper was fresh from his first stint in Ottawa as an aide to Conservative Member of Parliament Jim Hawkes, a solitary, disillusioning year that had shattered every certitude about the machinery of policy making that he'd cherished. He'd fled back home only to face a traumatic breakup with his fiance. Throwing himself into his master's in economics, he addressed that dark night of the soul by embarking on a private intellectual quest: a crash course in philosophy.

Shortly after Manning recruited him, Harper began trying out the evangelical services that seemed to offer many of the party's early players, especially his confidante Diane Ablonczy, such certainty. But Mackey fingers Manning himself as Harper's chief spiritual mentor a role that Reform's godfather waves off. "I'd take that stuff with a little bit of a grain of salt," Manning says. "Stephen was very unhappy about that book." Still, Deborah Grey, Reform's first MP and Harper's boss during part of that period, confirms Mackey's account. "Preston was key," she says. "Stephen had some very long, very involved discussions with Preston in the late 1980s, early 1990s. He saw Preston and a faith that was real, and how you could marry faith and politics."

Mackey points out that Harper is no George Bush a traditional "born-again" who claimed a life-changing epiphany on the booze-sodden road to perdition. He calls the prime minister a "cerebral" Christian who read his way to belief. "When it came to his spiritual formation with Preston, he'd say, 'What are the classics?'" Mackey explains. "And Preston would say, 'Try CS Lewis' or, 'Try Muggeridge.'"


http://www.xtra.ca/public/National/Stephen_Harper_and_t...

Sadly, I'm one of the few heterosexuals in Canada who will have been exposed to this article.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 08:37 PM
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3. Original article was in Walrus Magazine.
Edited on Wed Oct-01-08 09:18 PM by HeresyLives
http://www.walrusmagazine.com/u/register/?ref=politics-...

12 webpages long, but very enlightening.


Edited for:

They keep changing the url. This should do it.


http://www.walrusmagazine.com/articles/2006.10-politics...
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 08:50 PM
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4. Where does he articulate a belief that the earth is only 6,000 years old?
Sorry I wasn't clearer in my first reply.

I did a quick search of your article ("world", "earth", "6,000" and didn't notice anything germane. I suppose some members of the Alliance Church may well believe it's true, but it doesn't seem to be one of their core beliefs, so how can we know that it's one of Harper's beliefs?
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 09:00 PM
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5. Harper is an evangelist.
A member of the Christian Missionary Alliance.

Evangelists are charged with the Great Commission, to go forth and preach to, and convert everyone. They believe in the literal Bible, every word of it is true. His church also supports Benny Hinn.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 09:27 PM
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6. Not all evangelists believe in the literal Bible.
I trust you'd agree that Billy Graham is an evangelist.

"I don't think that there's any conflict at all between science today and the Scriptures. I think that we have misinterpreted the Scriptures many times and we've tried to make the Scriptures say things they weren't meant to say, I think that we have made a mistake by thinking the Bible is a scientific book. The Bible is not a book of science. The Bible is a book of Redemption, and of course I accept the Creation story. I believe that God did create the universe. I believe that God created man, and whether it came by an evolutionary process and at a certain point He took this person or being and made him a living soul or not, does not change the fact that God did create man. ... whichever way God did it makes no difference as to what man is and man's relationship to God."

Billy Graham: Personal Thoughts of a Public Man, 1997. p. 72-74

http://www.answersincreation.org/billy_graham.htm

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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 09:29 PM
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7. Harper is not Billy Graham.
He is a member of a church that takes the Bible literally.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 09:56 PM
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8. Sorry, no do-overs.
If you're going to start changing reasons in a vain attempt to prove that Harper believes the world is a mere 6,000 years old, I'm not interested in playing.

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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 10:07 PM
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9. I'm not playing.
I've given you some information. If you choose to be silly about this and believe that Harper is a progressive, that's your problem.
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LiberadorHugo Donating Member (557 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 08:02 AM
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10. I wish I could help you...
When people would ask me about this, I cited an essay published by Little Stevie Blunder on the Christian Coalition International site about his vision of turning Canada into a Christian theocracy and his militant social conservative. Unfortunately, the website seems to have "disappeared" a few months ago.

Here's a 17-page discussion about the article from back when the website in question was still up:

http://www.canadaka.net/forums/federal-elections-f43/st...

Canada needs to copy Ataturk's ideas and ban non-secular parties from seeking political office.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 08:22 AM
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11. Thanks for following up, LiberadorHugo.
I appreciate it.
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