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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 10:04 PM
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Mormon church objects to java-drinking angel
Source: AP/MSNBC

TAYLORSVILLE, Utah - For a coffee shop, t-shirts of an Mormon angel with java flowing into his trumpet are selling well. But they dont have the blessing of religious leaders.

The shirts have upset the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Not only is Moroni a revered figure Mormons believe he appeared to church founder Joseph Smith but LDS members are discouraged from drinking coffee.>>>snip


The church informed Beazer that the angels image is a registered trademark.

If they provide proof, were going to comply, Beazer said. We dont want to break any laws or anything.

>>>>>snip

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17766725 /



Sometimes you just need to read this kind of news.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 10:09 PM
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 10:16 PM
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7. Jeeeeeeeeesus!!! A Patented Figure of the Holy Roman Universal Church, then!!!
What a flaming load of horseshit!!!

It's either a bidniz or a religion...of course, religions do tend to give ya da bidniz!
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 11:30 PM
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21. Organized religon is about power, and that means money. Lots or money.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 10:10 PM
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2. How does one
trademark an angel?

I've never heard of Moroni. Michael and Lucifer are the only angel names I remember. :shrug:

Mz Pip
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 10:11 PM
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3. I recommend reading "The Book of Mormon". Preferably while high.
Good stuff.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 10:16 PM
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8. There's Gabriel, but Moroni?
the only one of those is "Boney Moroni" from the fifties.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 10:25 PM
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10. Oops, I forgot Gabriel
Kinda like forgetting Poland...

BTW, Billy Idol did a kickass version of "Bony Monie."

Mz Pip
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 11:13 PM
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 11:27 PM
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20. Most of the Mormons I have met have been pretty nice people.
I don't get their religion and I don't like their politics on many things, but for the most part, the families I have known seem very happy and balanced (maybe a little too Ward and June Cleaver for my taste to feel like hanging out for extended periods).

They have some quirks in their faith I find interesting, but for the most part they seem better connected to the world around them than the evangelical/fundamentalist types.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 01:03 AM
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25. That is true. The religion encompasses a whole lifestyle; very family oriented, clean living...
...the works. Caffeine (coffee, black or green tea, and cola drinks), tobacco, and alcohol are all no-nos.

When my kids were young the parents who ran the Brownies and Cub Scout troops were Mormon, and since I was working full time I was really grateful that someone had the time and inclination to do those things.

I know enough about the religion and lifestyle to say that I would not fit in very well for very long, but for those that do, it can be a wonderful community.

Alas, those that don't fit in (such as feminist women who take issue with the male leaders) may find themselves disfellowshipped if they persist in the error of their ways. Disfellowshipping means losing your friends -- your whole community -- and is very hard indeed.

One branch of my father's family is Mormon, and a bonus of my Mom living in Salt Lake City was that she got to meet a lot of my Aunt Elaine's grandchildren and great-grandchildren as they passed through the holy city.

Hekate
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 01:40 AM
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 10:50 PM
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15. Gabriel, Michael, Uriel, and another whose name I've temporarily forgotten...
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Bear down under Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 10:54 PM
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16. Raphael. n/t
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 11:21 PM
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18. Gracias! I was thinking Raphael, but my kid keeps talking about
the Mutant Ninja Turtles movie and I wasn't sure if I was channeling them rather than remembering the four Archangles...
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 04:26 AM
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32. moroni is only a mormon angel
that's why you've never heard of him, and also why, I suppose, they've been able to trademark the image.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 10:11 PM
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4. Kool! I'm going to beat the rush and trademark my very own sky person! nt
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 10:14 PM
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5. So uh, does Moroni get paid for LDS using his likeness?
They got a contract that Moroni signed allowing them the use of his likeness?


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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 10:18 PM
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9. I think it's a FICTIONAL character, like Mickey Mouse, see?
And they're the Disneys of God-ville....
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 10:15 PM
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youngdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 10:29 PM
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11. religion is so damned silly
So, they OWN an angel as a trademark, I guess? Really shows just how much of a business churches really are.

I gotta get me one of these shirts. I also think the name of the angel is hilarious. The sacred angel "Moron-i". :rofl:
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 10:30 PM
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12. Interesting
I thought you could only trademark something if you created it. For them to make the claim that it is trademarked suggests they created Moroni (man created Moroni). Course I doubt that even if Moroni could be "trademarked", the Mormon church has failed to designate it as such through the use of the TM symbol before. Coupled with the fact that harassment over trademark is also in itself a crime, I would be very careful indeed.

L-

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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 10:32 PM
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13. I found the t-shirt
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 11:24 PM
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19. I feel wicked for laughing out loud. My mom would've bought one in a heartbeat!
She lived in Salt Lake City the last 13 years of her life, and was not not not a Mormon. For her birthday my nephew gave her a sign for her condo parking space that read: "Witch's Parking. All Others Will Be Toad."

I, personally, would not buy or wear that T-shirt, but I know a little old lady who would have.

Hekate

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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 11:40 PM
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22. LOL..good for her.
Sometimes the real news is funnier than even what The Onion could write.

Jesus brand jeans were banned in Great Britian but not in the low countries or Germany.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 02:39 AM
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30. THAT is offensive????
ooooooookay.
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daveskilt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 10:27 PM
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36. sacred symbol to mormons doing something which is wicked for mormons
its a bit like a picture of Mohammed eating a pig. Or a picture of a crucifix with a condom on.

silly but I can see it being offensive to some mormons.

not this mormon of course - I think it is hilarious. about time there was more parody of mormonish things.

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Bear down under Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 08:53 AM
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34. Aha! That's what it's about.
Edited on Sun Mar-25-07 08:54 AM by Bear down under
It's a photograph (or painting?) of a statue, presumably of Moroni. And if the statue is the property of the Mormon Church they may be able to claim they own the copyright in it as an artistic work.

But they can't claim copyright in the person the statue depicts, ie Moroni himself -- unless they want to claim they created him as a character in a literary work. Which would lead to embarrassing questions about the authorship of the Book of Mormon and whether it is to be considered as a work of fiction...

If I understand correctly, if T-shirt people were to recreate their design with an original depiction of Moroni they would not then be infringing anyone's copyright. That the Mormons might still take offence is a separate issue.


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daveskilt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 08:06 PM
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35. as a mormon, BYU alum, former missionary, seminary teacher etc
this is hi-frakin-larious! I want one of those shirts.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 10:48 PM
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14. Not just coffee. Tea was forbidden to at least the early followers of
Joseph Smith's religion. It was considered a stimulant and stimulants as well as depressants (alcohol) were BIG NO NOs
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 11:49 PM
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23. still are
My SO's parents don't drink tea, coffee, or any alcohol :o

I went crazy when I stayed there. I need all three ;)
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nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:02 AM
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24. None? And they stay alive? Must be why Mormonism is not very popular in the South...
We prefer snake handling and arsenic for our outlandish cults. Something that can induce death.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:07 AM
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37. Actually it was not a no no - Joseph Smith drank and owned a bar
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 01:08 AM by FreeState
it was actually much later on that it became a no no. Joseph Smith had a revelation called the Word of Wisdom that was seen just as that - guidance. It was almost 50 years after Joseph Smiths death that it became a commandment and a no no. Even Brigham Young had a favorite Tea - and no it was not an herbal tea. The Hotel Utah - owned by the church - operated a bar for years and years too.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 01:13 AM
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26. Romney really needs to make a stand on this issue of
java-drinking angels!
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 01:52 AM
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28. O.K., that does it...!
As a Priest in the Apostolic Catholic Church in America, I'm officially trademarking Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

(tm)

Dear Pope Benedict,

You owe us royalties for every likeness of Christ in every one of your churches. Pay up!


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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 02:38 AM
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29. i can't see that succeeding
how do you copyright an angel?
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 04:24 AM
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31. Why, High Priestess Ayn Rand will let you own anything!
It's just so amazing to see millions of "christians" bullshit about JC, but they follow Ayn as in Mine when they walk out of their megachurches!
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 04:58 AM
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33. OMG Anybody see the play CONFESSIONS OF A MORMON BOY?
About a "perfect" but gay mormon and the "SSA" (same sex attraction) "reparation therapies" they put him through....IT WAS WILD...HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!

The author of the play performed it, it's his autobiog...the part where he becomes a hustler after moving to NYC (after having the "perfect" marriage and children life post "reparation") he takes his clothes off and even the holy Mormon underwear off, I really never even knew about the "sacred garments" and all THAT!!!

Anyway this play is FANTASTIC, it travels around so check and see if it's coming your way, I saw it in LA but it's also been in SF, NYC AND....SALT LAKE CITY!
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