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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:43 AM
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Group wants to abolish Michigan Senate (possible ballot proposal)
http://www.fire-the-senate.com /

I don't know much about this, so I can't say if it is a good thing or not. What do you think?
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jenlewismichigan Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 12:24 PM
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1. hmmm.
I'm not sure what I think either. I can see their point.
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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 06:58 PM
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2. I kind of like the idea
Why have beuracracy that is not needed?
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 08:02 PM
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3. Yeah
I mean, it used tyo be that Senate districts were apportioned based on land. Now, like House districts, they are based on population.
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corkerjoe Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 11:12 AM
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4. All 4 it
thay r all over paid and underworked. Time to cull
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 02:35 PM
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6. Hi jenlewismichigan!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 12:00 PM
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5. trivial right now
Edited on Fri Mar-31-06 12:01 PM by Strawman
in theory, I'm for it. It certainly might help the governor get her programs through the legislature, but if we push something like this right now we'll look like a complete joke to the voters.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 10:28 AM
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7. Wouldn't they need a constitutional convention to do that?
Otherwise, the state supreme court is obligated to overturn the ballot initiative, because the structure of the legislature is constitutionally-defined. It's like the numerous attempts to get the death penalty ban overturned via ballot initiative. That ban was written into the constitution, also, so a constitutional convention would be required to reinstate the death penalty. Every so many years, there is a box on the ballot asking if there should be a constitutional convention. Few people check yes.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 04:28 PM
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8. There are three ways an amendment can be proposed.
A constitutional amendment can be proposed via a constitutional convention. Every 16 years, voters are asked if they want a constitutional convention. The question will go before voters again in 2010.

Another way it can happen is by initiative. A certain number of people (I believe it's around 10% of tthe people who voted in the last election for governor) must sign a petition to get an amendment on the ballot. That almost happened with the minimum wage proposal, until the Republicans flip-flopped when they saw the polls. That's what this group is trying to do now.

Or, 2/3 of each house of the Legislature can vote to bring an amendment to the voters.

In any event, it must be passed by the voters.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 01:28 AM
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9. UPDATE: Not this year
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bfealk Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 05:48 AM
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10. Unicameral legislature
This proposal did not make it on the ballot.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 01:15 PM
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11. See post #9 (nt)
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