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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:40 AM
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911 caller: 'I just killed my daughter'
Source: WOOD Television

The father accused of pointing a gun at his 9-month-old daughter and pulling the trigger during an argument with her mother made a chilling 911 call seconds after the shooting.

"I just killed my daughter," Christopher Rains is heard telling the dispatcher in a recording released Wednesday.

Rains, 22, made the call to 911 around 3:45 p.m. Tuesday. Responding officers found his daughter dead from a gunshot wound to the head.

On Wednesday Rains made his first appearance. Metropolitan Court Judge Victor Valdez set his bond at $500,000 cash only saying he felt Rains would be a danger to the community.

Police quoted Rains as saying he shot his daughter "because my ex-girlfriend doesn't want me anymore."

The 911 call lasted seven minutes. During that time Rains told the dispatcher he shot his baby in the head as her mother, who admitted to Rains she'd spoken to another man, watched helplessly.


Read more: http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/national/west/911-caller...
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:41 AM
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1. wtf.
can't take it today.
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:43 AM
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2. How terribly, terribly sad. ETA: Kudos to that dispatcher for remaining so calm and down-to-earth
Edited on Thu Dec-03-09 09:46 AM by Brickbat
through the phone call. I mean, I know that's their job, but it's a helluva job.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:43 AM
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3. Jesus wept.
...
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:44 AM
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4. Teh stupid, it burns
:argh:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:44 AM
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5. And, as usual
A background check on Rains showed no criminal history. Police said Rains told them he'd previously pointed a gun at his daughter, but no police report had ever been filed about those alleged incidents.

That NCIS background check went through just fine. Just another law-abiding citizen and his Constitutionally-guaranteed gun. :banghead:
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:46 AM
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7. Yeah, it's the guns fault and this is a gun thread....
:eyes:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:51 AM
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10. Yes, that's exactly the most ridiculous interpretation of my post you could possibly have
And, yes, Einstein, this is a "gun thread". Every thread on domestic shooting is.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:56 AM
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14. And this was a car thread.....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

How did this guy ever get his driver's license???? :eyes:
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:58 AM
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17. you sound like a fool
nt
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:01 AM
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18. I bow to your extremely sound and well thought out argument.
And why was this guy allowed near drywall? :eyes:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07179/797781-54.stm
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:03 AM
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21. Hey, ensho's just going with the evidence
Which you're supplying in abundance.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:05 AM
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24. Like I said, look at all that evidence on that car thread.
:eyes:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:06 AM
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25. No, really. We get it. You can stop now.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:27 AM
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37. Have you ever noticed how easy it is to suspends someone's driving privileges?
Can they do the same for people who have shown poor judgment with guns?
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:51 AM
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44. Of course they can.
Until they shoot someone, they haven't shown poor judgment with guns.
(Cheney excepted, of course.)
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 11:37 AM
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47. "Have you ever noticed how easy it is to suspends someone's driving privileges?"
And how frequently those suspended continue to drive...

Just sayin'.
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:11 AM
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28. Keith features your kind of thinking towards the end of his program every evening.
But it's obvious you really DON'T understand to Moran-ishness of the examples you provide. See, cars and drywall weren't designed to end life. Guns were. Guns weren't invented because there was an epidemic of bullseye targets that threatened to overrun the globe - they were created to put a hole in another living being, so that the vital juices would flow out and cause mortality. See the difference yet???
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:20 AM
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31. And drugs were designed only to get high.
And some people abuse that ability. But that doesn't mean that there's a compelling reason to ban them and infringe on the rights of the people who don't.
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:29 AM
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38. There might be if people ran around injecting OTHERS with heroin or shoving cocaine up others' noses
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 11:39 AM
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48. And those people...
should be arrested and held accountable for their own actions, while we leave everyone else the hell alone. duh.
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 03:53 PM
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56. LOL!!!
Yup! you COULD shove a baseball bat up your rear and die from the injuries. By your "logic", baseball bats are as dangerous as firearms, automobiles and drywall. WOW! So baseball bats were REALLY created as suicide tools! We need to work on licensing baseball bat owners.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:46 AM
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8. Maybe the girlfriend never called the police about it?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:52 AM
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12. Point is, he *had* the gun at home before any of the incidents took place
Another gun owner who was an honest, law-abiding citizen right up until the point he was not. Seems to happen a lot...
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nyc 4 Biden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:04 AM
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23. +1
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maseman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:53 AM
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13. This guys is nuts
If it wasn't a gun it would have been something else.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:02 AM
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19. "Something else" would not have allowed him to kill so easily
Simply having a deadly weapon available tends to bring on violence. For example, households with guns have more suicide attempts than those without. Sadly, most of these extra attempts are successful. Can you guess why?
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:21 AM
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32. Actually, that claim has been disproved.
There's no scientific evidence that owning a gun is more likely to make you kill yourself.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:24 AM
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36. Sorry, but you're wrong.
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/359/10/989

More guns correlates with more suicide attempts.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:32 PM
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58. Causation or correlation?
Seems likely that people who really want to commit suicide use the surest method. Hard to believe that guns "make" people want to commit suicide.
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maseman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 12:18 PM
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50. This guy wanted to snuff out her precious life
to get back at his ex. I beieve in gun control but I don't think it would stop countless awful acts of violence. Obviously many crimes might be halted but this one I'd say not.
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Devil_Fish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 08:16 PM
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57. This story is horible, but I have to say that it is just as easy to kill a 9 mo. old with a knife.NT
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:08 AM
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26. Would you care about this story if he'd suffocated, strangled, or drowned the girl instead?
:nuke:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:11 AM
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27. Sure, cuz it would probably be posted in the gungeon
Along with a bunch of HIGH-larious comments about banning pillows.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:12 AM
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29. Revealing reply is revealing
But not a bit surprising.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 02:36 PM
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54. Gungeon game #3: when you can't refute logic or facts, attack the poster
Bonus points if you're shocked - SHOCKED - that they're using someone else's tragedy for political purposes.
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 01:05 PM
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53. YES!
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:45 AM
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6. This guy needs a short trial and a short length of rope. nt
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:47 AM
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9. guns don't kill babies

ego-maniacal assholes with guns kill babies.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 02:38 PM
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55. If only the gun grabbers had allowed that baby to get a carry permit
She might have been able to shoot back. :cry:
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:51 AM
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11. A loser coward for then not turning the gun on himself. Evil.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:03 AM
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22. Yes, most of these losers are thoughtful enough to do themselves
either by turning the gun around or waving it at the police. Too bad this guy didn't
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:22 AM
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33. No, a loser for not having done it the other way around.
Kill himself then his daughter.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:57 AM
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15. I read about this in the local paper this morning.
Another inmate attacked this guy at his hearing--probably just a taste of what's to come.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:57 AM
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16. male lions will kill cubs to maintain dominance


one of many mammal species to do that.

some male human mammals seem to do it too. just how civilized are humans?

this man should be jailed forever. what a creep.

and the mother had to watch this. she will be scarred for life.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:13 AM
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30. To your question
Humans aren't half as civilized as we like to tell ourselves we are.

This is STILL the Planet of the Apes.
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:03 AM
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20. The ONLY way to be safe from gun violence
is the ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to have guns or people who feel the need for guns in your life. NO EXCEPTIONS, except maybe for cops and even that is dicey. The girl had a baby with a gun owner and now her baby is dead. THERE IS A CONNECTION. It's simple, people. There is only one way to deal with gun owners. Don't. At all.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:24 AM
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34. Thank you for exploiting a senseless tragedy for your political ends.
Can I call you "Rudy?"

Out of curiousity, do you think that gun owners come with that fact tattooed on their foreheads? Do you think that EVERY ONE of the 100 million odd gun owners in the US is just slavering at the mouth waiting for the opportunity to murder a baby?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:31 AM
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41. I agree. Only pro-gun DUers should be allowed to exploit senseless tragedies for political ends.
Shame on you, Demobrat!
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 12:27 PM
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52. No the tattoo is usually not on the forehead.
Edited on Thu Dec-03-09 12:28 PM by Demobrat
But it doesn't matter where it is, because they will inform you of the fact on their own, usually multiple times. Oh, and you can call me whatever you want. I really don't care what gun nuts say.
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 11:00 AM
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46. Yeah, like there wasn't 15 other ways a full grown man could kill a 9 month old.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 11:41 AM
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49. Thank You!
For labeling me a homicidal asshole pariah.

Please go self-fornicate somewhere else, the adults are trying to have a discussion here.
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 12:21 PM
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51. You're very welcome.
Now go and brag to the other gun nuts about the size of your equipment. Nobody else gives a shit.
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Blandocyte Donating Member (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:24 AM
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35. Who wants a total gun ban?
I do! I do!

Mr. and Ms. America, turn 'em in!
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:32 AM
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42. I'll settle for a little sanity from the pro-gun crowd.
Edited on Thu Dec-03-09 10:32 AM by jgraz
Which is about as likely as a complete gun ban
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:29 AM
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39. this story haunts me....
Dammit, I REMEMBER being 22, and I remember how ANGRY relationships could become over STUPID issues. When I read stories like this I can imagine myself in that man's shoes, and that leads me to imagine the sadness and remorse I'd feel for the rest of my life afterward. I was talking to my SO about this story this morning, trying to describe why events like this affect me so much. There are REASONS that people do things like this-- they don't make any sense in a larger perspective, but in the moment, when emotions are running high and the lizard brain has control, I can see all too clearly how we're all only a hair's breadth of self control away from doing something this horrible, and having to live with it. It took only a fraction of a second to pull the trigger, but I'll bet the memory of that instant draws it out forever. An instant of anger, and a lifetime of remorse.

:cry:
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:31 AM
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40. Most of us manage to figure out that no relationship is worth destroying a life over
Or two lives, or three.

There are REASONS that people do things like this-- they don't make any sense in a larger perspective, but in the moment, when emotions are running high and the lizard brain has control, I can see all too clearly how we're all only a hair's breadth of self control away from doing something this horrible, and having to live with it.

I'm quoting that because it's worth repeating.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:45 AM
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43. OMFG....
...words fail me. :wow:
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:59 AM
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45. As sad as this is, it isn't political and I wish that I didn't have to see this
crap on this site. It isn't being discussed in political terms. It's just "if it bleeds" headlines bullshit.
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skoalyman Donating Member (751 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 11:25 PM
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59. its a wonder if she didn't snatch the gun away from him and killed him with it.
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