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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:23 PM
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attention Colorado....meeting to expose the fraud
The Mercury Cafe (downtown Denver)
2199 California St
Denver CO Map
Phone: (303) 294-9281
Wednesday (tomorrow) @ 5:30pm 11/10

this is their second meeting already!!!
all sorts of organizations involved...Dem party, Mothers against Bush,911 movement, a few civil rights and peace movements.

come join us while we plan to expose the fraud and upset this election!
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:28 PM
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1. Thanks for the heads up.
Heard about the meeting last night too late to attend. Can you give a cross street with California?
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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:08 AM
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5. looks like it is 22nd and California
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kuozzman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:32 PM
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2. I'm guessing "Votergate" will be headline news by Friday-Finally!
Edited on Tue Nov-09-04 11:34 PM by kuozzman
I didn't realize I was posting in CO, should(how) do I move this?

Miami Herald posted on website today-Does that mean it will be in the paper tomorrow?
This is exactly what kind of articles these city and state papers need to be printing-no screaming accusations,just evidence that will make people scream once they read it.

Posted on Tue, Nov. 09, 2004


Hackers rigging voting machines a real possibility


It's not my conspiracy theory.

But I've been scalded, via e-mail, just for noting that there has been a bothersome outbreak of rigged-voting rumors in the last week. I've been called a sore loser, a ''paranoid conspiracy theoriest'' and a liberal lunkhead. I've been accused of trying to help Democrats steal the election from President Bush. I've been called a Michael Moore flunky.

But, hey, it's not my conspiracy theory.

Since last Tuesday evening, the Internet has been jammed with untoward explanations of a Bush victory that occurred despite exit polls indicating things would go swimmingly for the challenger. I never suggested that I believed that Republic computer hackers had altered the true outcome of the election. I don't. But our nifty new touch-screen voting systems do nothing to discourage such paranoia.

Electronic voting machines have two unsettling flaws. They generate no paper records that can be used to check the actual results against the totals offered by the computer.

Worse, the operating systems that run the machines are the privately-held property of the manufacturers. The computer source codes are not open to public inspection. Yet computer scientists from Stanford, MIT, Rice and Johns Hopkins universities have warned that the secret operating systems are rife with vulnerabilities.

Anyone with a Microsoft Windows operating system on their home computer -- locked in a constant, losing battle to fend off viruses, worms, Trojan Horses and spyware -- ought to shudder with fear when they cast votes on machines manufactured by Diebold, Sequoia or ES&S (used in Broward and Miami-Dade counties). Without public inspections of the operating systems, without the paper records, election officials have no evidence to quiet talk that an election was rigged.

That doesn't mean I believe the conspiracy theories.

A number of voters claimed that when they voted on the ES&S system, they pushed a button for Kerry and a vote for Bush popped up in their ballot summary. But this is more likely an indication of a machine malfunction than fraud.

If a talented computer geek really wanted to alter an election outcome, voters would never know. Avi Rubin, who heads the computer security program at Johns Hopkins University, told me that tampering by a skilled hacker would be virtually ``undetectable.''

David Dill, the Stanford computer science professor who founded the Verified Voting Foundation, told National Public Radio last week that he was worried because, ''We don't know what's happening inside the machine.'' Dill said that, without independent checks or a backup system, ``We don't know what the invisible errors are.''

The computer scientists are bothered by widespread reports of breakdowns and errors in the voting systems.

But they are more bothered by what they don't know. Because state and local election officials have allowed the basic voting mechanism to remain a private company secret -- off limits to the public.

Angry Republicans, at least those firing off e-mails, seem to suspect that I'm conspiring with the computer science departments of several major universities to undermine the election of their candidate. But they ought to consider a vote-chilling reality.

Hackers (at least the few that authorities manage to nab) tend to be youngish, anti-establishment, anti-status quo, anti-corporate, anti-social. They're not likely to join the country club. They're not singing in the choir at an evangelical church. They're not security moms. They're not anxious to join the Marines and rush gung-ho into the battle for Fallujah. They're not likely to spend much time humming along with country music's Brooks & Dunn, who performed at the Republican National Convention.

Dear Republican critics: Which way do you suppose hackers will tip an election, when they decide, just for the heck of it, to have a little fun with the computer programs that now determine American elections?

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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:39 PM
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4. WELCOME KUOZZMAN!!
JUST REPOST OR POST A LINK TO THIS THREAD...NO BIG DEAL....ALWAYS APPRECIATE GOOD INFORMATION
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:22 AM
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6. Welcome to DU
Good article, we'll hope it hits ink tomorrow. I'm not sure you can post this yet--there may still be restrictions on postings until you've posted replies to a certain # of threads. Maybe at 150 you can post?

I'm going to post it in Latest News to make sure it gets seen. But maybe you could go to the Florida forum under state and county and try posting it there to see if you can post. That way we should be able to cover it all.

:hippie:
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:32 PM
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3. Thanks I'll try to make it.
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