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Lenape85 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:06 AM
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We should primary out Feinstein in 2006
I believe that she has stabbed us in the back many times before, and that there is a great talent pool in Farr, Filner, Lee, Waters, Watson, and Woolsey, anyone of them is better than Dino-Fi, and are very electable in California, if one of them would try.

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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:11 AM
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1. Totally agree...Ilook forward to it...
My checkbook is ready for making Boxer our Senior Senator...Di should have stood side by side w/ Boxer...and???

I will not vote for her and will work hard to support a challenger...she is no defender of Democracy....
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Lenape85 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:24 AM
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4. I'm being very serious here
Any one of these fine representatives could pose a serious challenge to Dino-Fi, not only that, but they could win state-wide.

You or someone else should try organizing a citizen's group to (1) draft one of these people to run in the 2006 Dem primaries and (2) show support for any true Democrat voting against Dino-Fi
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:20 AM
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2. and who is your replacement?
You know very well Feinstein is the highest voter getter in California politics.

The tireless efforts to bring down the Democratic party and promote Republican rule on this site are amazing. Carl Rove loves you folks.

Have you written to thank Boxer and the House yea voters? Or is the point to foster as much animosity as possible?
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:21 AM
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3. What?
Why do you think the poster said "in the primary"?

I agree. And I'd have worked against Boxer, too, if she hadn't stood up at the last minute.

We aren't allowed to work to improve the party by cycling out the people who don't help us? That's the freaking point of a primary. Or should we just have primaries when an incumbent isn't running?
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Lenape85 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:42 AM
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6. Exactly my point
We must let our politicians know that they must be held accountable for every action. We put them into office to serve us, and they should live up to their duties, else they become unaccountable politicians who care more about their $1,000-a-plate DLC banquets than their constituents.
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:43 AM
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7. That's one of the worst outcomes of
gerrymandering. I know that doesn't apply to Senators, but when we gerrymander Representatives into "safe" districts, we remove accountability from them.
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Lenape85 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:48 AM
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8. 'Tis true, but...
Many of the people who voted for the objection were in fact from safe districts and they remained accountable.

Thank god they resist the temptation of being a career politician
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 02:11 AM
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9. fair enough
Your point about a primary battle is well taken. It's just that I've read dozens of posts with people swearing not to vote for any of the Democrats again, to fight to defeat them, etc....
I hope everyone takes time to pen a thank you note to the politicians who did stand up yesterday.
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 04:52 AM
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11. I'll answer both posts here
I understand your reaction; I've had the same to people who just want to give up or condemn all Democrats because of the actions of some. There isn't an alternative party, IMO. We have to take this one back.

The way we do it is from the ground up. We need to be mobilising to get progressives in the local party machinery. School boards. County commissions. Everything.

That's what the far right has done. The fundies turn out en masse to vote for the smallest election, which gives them a disproportionate voice.

We also need to reward our politicians when they do something right. Boxer has been written, and her office called.

As for who would replace Feinstein, I don't know. That's why we should have an open primary. The problem is that it's nearly impossible to get elected without your party's support. Just look at what happened to Cynthia McKinney. The party abandoned her, and she lost.

The party won't abandon DiFi. But we can at least put someone up to make a good fight, so she'll realise that she has to represent the progressives in this state.
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:30 PM
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12. you're right of course
and I stand corrected. Since I live in Florida, I'd be happy for a Senator as reasonable as Feinstein. But like you, I want a far more progressive and responsive party. Best of luck.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 02:38 PM
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13. I will not support Dianne, if there is a primary challenge
An open primary will not help dems to allow pukes to meddle. I will Support Dianne(vote for) if she survives the primary. I like many of our Dems. Woolsey is the best Mike Thompson is cool too. Lee or Waters or Waxman.
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 02:49 PM
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14. Did that open primary bill pass?
By "open primary", I really just meant that we should encourage people to run against DiFi. I've never liked the open primary system that lets people cross party lines.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 03:33 PM
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15. did not pass
thank god
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 09:30 PM
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24. I agree, Las. We so often look to the top of the ticket to move the agenda
when the agenda isn't defined from an informed and involved base. There's a recipe for disconnect if I ever saw one.

And by base, I mean a base that is also informed and votes locally...County Supervisor, State Rep and Senator, School Board, local Dem Party election, and dogcatcher for cryin' out loud.




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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 02:16 AM
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10. still wondering who you have in mind
If you support someone else, it should be someone who you think will be better than Feinstein on such issues. None of the 99 other senators stood up, including Kerry, who decided to schedule his Iraq trip for the very date the electoral count was voted on.
It would have to be a very rare individual. I appreciate seeing political action take a positive direction, toward that which we want to see accomplished rather than simply against a particular candidate.
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Lenape85 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:25 AM
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5. I don't know if I can, I don't live in CA
Edited on Sat Jan-08-05 01:27 AM by Lenape85
And Senator Corzine didn't vote, Senator Franky got Cranky, and Representative Saxton's a neo-con tool
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:53 PM
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16. Either that, or give her a GOOD scare for her money. She's been WAY
too cautious and "moderate" (read: sell-out). We have NOW seen evidence of what a backbone looks like. And what it looks like when someone realizes she has one and decides to USE IT to stand up. Barbara Boxer just showed EVERYBODY. So we have a template. We KNOW it can be done.

Feinstein has capitulated just once too often for my tastes. If it means the seat stays Democratic, okay, I'll vote for her - holding my nose. But I'd LOVE to see someone with more spine in there. You get respect when you TAKE A STAND. Remember bush himself - "you may not agree with me but you know where I stand." Evidently, that was enough to gain him a LOT of votes. Incomprehensible to me, but it clearly worked with a lot of people. I want to know if she's gonna fish or cut bait. So far I see far too much sushi preparation.
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Lenape85 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 06:02 PM
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17. kick...Barbara Lee in '06
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 02:01 PM
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19. rather have Lee in the House
than to make a run against DiFi

I can't see DiFi losing the primary

I rather see her retire

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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:47 AM
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18. She would make mincemeat out of any of those people
There is peobably only on person who could beat Senator Feinstein next year, but he will probably run for reelection for Governor instead.
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sophie996 Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 02:27 PM
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20. what are you smoking?
don't you know there won't BE a democratic primary contest for that seat until Di retires or dies in office? we're not _that_ suicidal. maybe it's different in jersey?

i agree with what you say about her, but we're stuck with her until one of those things happens. of course, the party could pressure her to step down--and beware of low-flying pigs.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 04:45 PM
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21. the "party" knows she's a safe seat
and if Ahnuld does run, she's one of the few to be able to take him out
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 10:36 PM
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25. good, pertinent point, dwickham...n/t
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 05:01 PM
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22. Just what I was thinking...looking forward to reading this thread later nt
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 05:41 PM
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23. I had heard dino-Fi
was retiring (yyyeeeeeaaaaaa) then I got an email from Art Torres that said she was running in '06(boooooooo). Many people here in So Cal R fed up w/ DF.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 10:44 PM
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26. If Feinstein has a good primary opponent . . .
. . . I will vote for that person.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 11:34 PM
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27. Feinstein could also hand Arnie his ass if she ran for Governor too!
Feinstein is not perfect but she is guarenteed a victory and is a Democrat! I support Feinstein and you should too!
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Old Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 11:47 PM
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28. She has put her aspirations for a presidential bid
ahead of her political duties. But getting rid of her also loses her power base, her personal connections, and her relationships with the more sympathetic members across the isle. She is powerful, and a junior senator would not have the political clout, for what its worth, that DiFi has.

Giving her spot to a junior senator might be giving the whole state to the Republicans.
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 01:17 AM
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29. What good is power
When she uses it to vote for the war, vote for the tax cuts, and doesn't use it to protect our voting rights?

She refused to stand up in 2000 and 2004. Therefore she must go.

I'd be campaigning for Boxer to go if she hadn't stood up this year. I'm that serious about this. I'm sick of being represented by people who don't represent me.
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Old Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 01:37 AM
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30. I am so close to agreeing with you
she has really pissed me off. But politics is an elaborate chess game, and emotional reactions only serve the other side.
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 02:35 AM
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31. I understand that
But I keep hearing "chess game" and then seeing our side lose pieces; mate is just around the corner, if it's not already here.

I'll vote for her in the general, but I want her scared. I want her to realise she has to represent me in the future. I want something besides a form letter telling me that she's concerned about Patriot Act II, but will probably vote for it anyway.
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