OFFICIAL EDWARDS-CHENEY DEBATE THREAD #5

[Skinner]

[Thrill]

1. Dick is a lying sack of shit

And Edwards is letting him get away with it.

[LynneSin]

8. Yes, I'm a little concerned about that one

but I think there will be a turn around in domestic issues

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[WI_DEM]

your first post

is that Edwards is getting smoked. Very fishy.

[rwenos]

88. Get Lost, Asshole Provocateur

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[GAspnes]

surely you jest (n/t)

[Lex]

93. Thanks freeper, but I'll pass on your assessment.

Cheney looks like a lying old hunched-over bastard.

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[JanMichael]

Who's the lying sack o' shit now? You! Buh Bye!

Either you're a liar or a dumbass, or I suppose as a bushie, both.

[Julian English]

109. troll!

[slinkerwink]

2. man, the gloves are off and swinging!

[liveoaktx]

3. Can we PLEASE bring up the 87 bill and bring that to rest??????

[KittyWampus]

4. Edwards Is Not Doing Well, Sorry

he isn't bringing up Cheney's record of cutting defence programs or enabling Saddam OR taliban.

[Cleopatra2a]

20. he's letting cheney spin his wheels

just like it's hard work george,

[spooky3]

he's going after the record NOW

[spooky3]

Halliburton!!

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[WI_DEM]

102. Hmm

very fishy.

[KittyWampus]

33. NO WAIT>>> I Spoke To Soon! Edwards Comes Back

whohoo

[Ilsa]

29. Here it comes... Cut over 80 weapons systems...

cut programs after the cold war...

[Rainbowreflect]

46. Just did.

Attacking what is they did was wrong & where $ for the troops are coming from.

[Cha]

Edwards just did!

And he's doing damn well!

[Dudley_DUright]

61. Sorry, but he just did

and Halliburton as well. :-)

[meow2u3]

83. Luke Skywalker just mentioned Darth's cutting weapons systems in '91

eom

Meanwhile, Oilslick Dick's now resorting to character assassination and personal attacks on Kerry and Skywalker.

When Crashcart made with the attacks, he lost the argument.

[MnFats]

5. Oldest HACK line in the book: 'we do not question his credibility...

...only his judgment.
Like hell, you malevolent twit.
Republicans have used that one over and over again.,

[fryguy]

6. once and for all.....terrorism is a TACTIC!!!!

[Maestro]

No conviction?

They equate conviction with absolute arrogance that leads to ignorance!

[rwenos]

7. Cheney = Formidable, Willful, Pissy

No shortage of talent there, and toughness.

"PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!"

[jasmeel]

Bring up the record of THIS president!!

[rwenos]

77. The Big Dick Doesn't Get It

Being VP is NOT the same thing as the iron fist in the corporate boardroom.

This is a DEMOCRACY! Not a "command and control" corporation.

[sonicx]

9. god damn, can't go 2 seconds without lying. AHHHH

:grr:

[sbj405]

10. the ke camp needs to come out hard tomorrow w/ jk's real voting record

if it was so bad why would bc be waiting this long to bring it up. also, dick hasn't cited one single example. fucker.

[2bfree]

11. Dean????

I can't f***ing believe he brought up Dean!

[Fleshdancer]

27. I can't wait to hear Dean's response

[ronnykmarshall]

47. No kiddin ...

OOOOOOO Edwards just brought up Dickie's old company!

[autorank]

12. Edwards is headed toward outrage time-the big smack down!

[Maestro]

Yep!

Here it comes...Dick is going down!

[autorank]

The "H" Bomb-Haliburton. Oh Yeah

[Selwynn]

13. Shit - I think that was a good talking point by cheney RE: primaries

[Selwynn]

21. Add: I DO NOT AGREE

but I think it was slick...

[southlandshari]

I'm with you

but man, was Edwards prepared for that! He deflected the blow well and came right back at Cheney. This isn't as much as a breeze as the 1st presidential debate, but I'm feeling good so far!

[BMJ]

14. A wise man once said...

"A person who can knowingly lie without shame, is capable of any evil."

- Buddha

[da_chimperor]

15. Smackdown, go after his shitty resume!

GO JE!

[Fleshdancer]

16. A long resume does NOT equal good judgement!!! HA HA HA! good one JE

[southlandshari]

80. Edwards is in excellent form

I thought he came out swinging, and on top. The only time I felt Cheney was gaining ground was in the past five minutes or so, and Edwards dismissal of the "long resume" defense was awesome.

Edwards is the right man to go toe to toe with the evil one. He is not rattled at all, and has sounded strong and on point from start to, well, so far...!

[Julien Sorel]

17. Cheney is taking the offense.

Edwards has to turn it around.

[Julien Sorel]

Halliburton.

Boom. Cheney smirk.

[ClevelandSportsCurse]

18. I wish I could punch through the TV screen to hit Cheney right now

This man is pure evil. He sits there with a straight face and lies over and over. Edwards is doing his best to point out these lies, but with Cheney's consistency, the media will dumb this down to say that the two clashed all night and nothing productive was talked about.

[BlueEyedSon]

19. Jeez skinner how DO you do that (the pictures)????

[realFedUp]

22. We've seen the misjudgements of this administration

says Edwards.

[0007]

86. Now hit the old man with Halliburton

[Peanut Gallery]

23. Edwards on Cheney's voting record now

[AntiFascist]

Did Cheney just have a palpitation?

[sbj405]

24. howard dean makes the vp debate

bet he wasn't expecting that

[Cha]

What did they say regarding Dean ..I had a phone

call?!

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

25. A long resume doesn't make good judgement

continuation of lies on Kerry.....wish Edwards could attack instead of defend....now he's doing it, with Sec. of Defense record......

[gardenista]

26. He won't go for the Dean red herring.

Cheney is a slimy slug.

[liberal_in_GA]

Why doens't JE bring up

that Kerry voted against the same weapons programs Vader opposed???

Or did he? I can barely watch.....:bounce:

[Avalux]

28. Cheney is pure evil

he really is. He scares the crap out of me the way he can lie so convincingly.

[LynneSin]

Damn, brought up Cheney's Secretary of Defense days

Nice history there John

:bounce:

[cire4]

30. YES!! Edwards hammering Dick on cutting weapon systems

[Lefta Dissenter]

31. WOO HOOOOO

for Cheney's voting record!

[Bo]

It has become completely obvious who the real President is....

And Im sure all of America knows it now. Right in front of our faces.

[welshTerrier2]

32. Edwards needs to go back on OFFENSE

the issue is that bush-cheney have created a disaster in Iraq ...

[LittleClarkie]

34. Getting him on Cheney's record

on cutting the same military programs. Good John.

[LittleClarkie]

50. There goes the Haliburton bomb

Cheney is just repeating the flip flop.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

51. Haliburton!

Cheney isn't defending it, just going back to consistancy lies....interesting.

[PATRICK]

76. Cheney the parrot!

Just repeats the lame charge again and again no matter what the topic.

Should have have stayed fishing and sent a memo. "Kerry not reliable. Take my word for it."

[mike from ri]

91. roughly a tie so far

edwards better at the beginning. al queda issue favored je. also good references to bremer, McC, Poweell. cheney now catching up, flip-flop political opportunism charge is potently.

[in_cog_ni_to]

35. Can you see the steam coming out of dickhead's ears???!!!!

He's gettin' pissed! The $87 Billion! Edwards is talking about it!!!! Finally!

[sonicx]

36. YES YES YES WEAPON SYSTEMS CUT!!

[WilmywoodNCparalegal]

57. So fn tired of this "flip flop" insinuation

[dogtag]

68. I got it! Cheney thinks he won't ever be called on his lies.

He's taking a calculated risk here, boys and girls.

[realFedUp]

37. No bid Halliburton contract

came up

[realFedUp]

55. Cheney doesn't address Halliburton contracts

ignore, ignore, ignore

[Duncan Grant]

38. They had no plan to win the peace.

It was wrong to have 7.5 Billion for Halliburton!!

[KDLarsen]

39. Ouch ouch ouch

.. Edwards just brought up Cheney removing 8 weapons systems.

[Kipepeo]

40. JE with the haliburton

smackdown!

[Catherine Vincent]

41. Cheney is living up to his usual demeanor....

FUCKING LYING ASSHOLE!

[Dudley_DUright]

42. Cheney is such a smarmy jerk

No bid contracts to Halliburton. Bam.

[da_chimperor]

43. HALLIBURTON!!!!!

OUCH!

[No2W2004]

65. He keeps repeating the same crap

won't touch the no bid contracts

[da_chimperor]

84. He's hoping to ignore it

I hope JE keeps bringing it up. It'll work!

[da_chimperor]

99. Oh yeah, did I mention: HALLIBURTON!?

I think JE is definately looking more comfortable than cheny. I think he's doing a much better job at addressing the issues. Cheney is pulling a chimp and repeating himself ALL THE TIME!

[Ducks In A Row]

Yes, bringing up Cheney military cuts!!!

[booksenkatz]

44. WHOOP, THERE IT IS! The H word!

*

[Ducks In A Row]

73. "the records speaks for itself"

He's not speaking to the cuts he did, or halliburton.

he's using soundbites now

YES! Edwards wins!!!!

[Kal Belgarion]

45. Defense Sec cuts! Got him!

[LynneSin]

48. Yes Dick, the record does speak for itself

YOU'RE A LYING SACK OF SHIT!!!

[AntiFascist]

Cheney has quite a good record.....supporting Halliburton

[lasttrip]

49. JE not backing down. halliburtin-wrong then wrong now

cheny still spewing same bs

[Tatiana]

HALLIBURTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YES!!!!!!!! Go Edwards, go!

[w13rd0]

52. Cheney just brought up Dean

Now JE is mentioning Cheney's record. We need to move from talking about Kerry and force Cheney to face up to HIS record. Talking points are all he is spouting (Cheney), trying to use this debate as a forum to attack Kerry.

[displacedtexan]

97. On split screen, The Dick is more concerned with his tie and his suit

than he is with America.

Smirk II now. I'm counting.

[Avalux]

The record speaks for itself - yeah Dick

you're right on that. Look in the mirror.

[St. Jarvitude]

53. YES!!! EDWARDS JUST SPANKED CHENEY!!!

Halliburton, Weapons Cuts... HE DID IT!!! HE FINALLY DID IT!!!!!!!!!!!


:bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:

[Gregorian]

54. Cheney is the antiChrist.

Is he the most evil man alive, or what?

[smirkymonkey]

121. Yes, he is.

Great graphic!

[Texas_Dem]

56. That Cheny sure can lie.

must be that implant.

[BlueEyedSon]

74. Once you can fake sincerity, the world is your no-bid contract

[Ellen Forradalom]

58. Smirks at mention of no-bid contract

thinking of his deferred compensation puts a little smile on his face.

[Fleshdancer]

59. Why did the polls suddenly go bad DICK? Because y'all screwed it up!

[Duncan Grant]

60. Halliburton. Halliburton. Halliburton. n/t

[spooky3]

62. He keeps sticking to the same talking points. JE needs to get him

OFF Kerry and ONTO *'s DISMAL RECORD.

[gristy]

64. Cheney's good

He's a lying sack of shit. But damn, he's good at it.

[Texas_Dem]

78. Yea. he can lie. Where is the fact checker on this?

[crickets]

66. HOWARD DEAN?!

Dick is pulling crap out of his ass by the fistful (sorry for the imagery) and I can't believe he can do it with a straight face. I hope John mentions the FUNDING by taxes and the BENEFITS cuts were the reason they voted against the second version of the bill.

Oh, and John brings up Halliburton - Dick is shaken.

Notice Dick is skirting on ad hominem attacks (when he isn't out and out lying) and John is talking FACTS.

[smirkymonkey]

67. HALLIBURTON!

Watch Crashcart's head explode - how long before he tell's Edwards to "Cheney Off?" 10...9..8...

[sbj405]

69. clearly, "the record" should have been a drinking game word

[gumby]

70. Edwards just missed the punchline

Damn!

Why didn't he say that he DIDN'T vote for war, but rather than to give the Dub the "authority" to use force to get the inspectors back into Iraq. Missed opportunity.

[2bfree]

71. Good response!

Way to go!

[Kal Belgarion]

72. Record speaks for itself? Yes...yes it does.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

Details on what to do

including letting France/Germany in on reconstruction...35 people to get election? Not in Cleveland.....

40,000 without body armor...cut combat pay.

[maveric]

75. OMG! I cant believe that shit that Cheney is spewing!

That Kerry cant win the war on terror.

[Ellen Forradalom]

94. He's using his angry Dad persona.

Acting as if Kerry and Edwards are two young whippersnappers who can't run the country.

[AnIndependentTexan]

79. Edwards is doing good

[never cry wolf]

81. bULLETIN: CHENEY SAID A TRUTH!!!!

He just said, "The record speaks for itself!"

Whoo hooo, we win!!

[Fleshdancer]

82. Did the moderator just ask JE if he and Kerry were "naive"???

[ClevelandSportsCurse]

Look John, just mention the PNAC for Christ's sake

It would throw off Cheney and put him on the defensive to why this war was really waged.

[nyhuskyfan]

85. Why do they never mention the 87 billion veto threat?

That's the one part of this I never understand. They threatened to veto one version on the bill and the Repugs voted against it.

If it's so simple to "support the troops", then why the veto threat if the bill wasn't the way they wanted it.

[Dudley_DUright]

87. Bush/Cheney plan for Iraq

"More of the same".

[jackstraw45]

89. Edwards BLEW answer on votes

ALL he had to say was that Kerry voted to give the president AUTHORIZATION to use GOOD JUDGEMENT in Iraq and the President FAILED that test and thus they voted against the $87 billion.

He let Cheney say TWICE that he and Kerry "voted against the war on terror" - a lie that Edwards failed to correct.

Damaging in my eyes.

[Bad Thoughts]

Allies are listening to *, not K--it is * who keeps them away n/t

[AngryAmish]

90. Gwen is a filthy bitch

Softballs to Cheney, chin music to Edwards. She is truly awful.

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[Duncan Grant]

105. CHENEY OFF.

:grr:

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[Fleshdancer]

112. Go home freep

[txindy]

122. Life. Find one.

Bye!

[maveric]

124. What is Cheney's plan?

Enjoy your short stay here.

[tjdee]

We gave them the keys to the car, and they drove it into a ditch.

That's all he has to say!

I'm SO FUCKING SICK of this whole you voted for it now you voted against the troops BULLSHIT!

That's ALL they have to say. :grr:

[autorank]

95. I'm so f'ing proud of Edwards!

[AntiFascist]

96. Cheney is taking notes because Edwards has some good ideas!

[ClintonTyree]

Cheeney keeps repeating the same old BS...................

over and over. Just like Junior last Thursday. A 90 minute debate and 30 minutes worth of ammuntion.

[madmax]

98. Edwards is doing GREAT!

He ain't afraid of no cheney and he's in command of the facts. Love him!!!

KICK ass John! :kick:

[Peanut Gallery]

100. Is it me or is an annoyed look creeping up all over Cheney's face?

[Jawja]

101. It is so refreshing

to finally see someone put Dick Cheney to task and call him on his outright lies.

Edwards is kicking butt.

[lasttrip]

118. prob is he keeps lying

[Fleshdancer]

103. "The height of HYPOCRISY" I love it

[Kipepeo]

106. we've got 30 today

you mean like Poland?

[funkybutt]

107. 30 countries!!?? WTF!

[Fatima]

108. Did I just hear the audience murmur or laugh? At Cheney?

[Peanut Gallery]

110. Oh, now it's K/E's fault that there isn't a coalition

Kee-rist.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

113. Coalition of 30?

Who are they?

[crickets]

114. BOOM

Go John! Hypocrisy of sending troops underprepared and cutting pay.

All Dick can counter with is LIES and ad hominem. This type of attack on his part will backfire. He looks and sounds like the smarmy, conscienceless liar he is. No "statemanship" there. NONE.

[CitySky]

115. 30 countries

like costa rica?

[Memekiller]

116. Coalition the same size?

Love to see how they spun that one.

[The empressof all]

117. It's Hard

Here we go again with the hard work

[ThePittsburghKid]

119. Edwards just smacked down ol' Crashcart

on the issue of the elections in Iraq..

[Skinner]

120. Thread 6 is open

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x976957

[in_cog_ni_to]

123. Remind Cheney that POLAND is LEAVING!!

Cheney is such a snarky bastard! How Edwards can sit there and NOT slap him is beyond me!