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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 04:08 PM
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Is Race For #2 Now Race For #1? (Iowa Dean)
Edited on Sat Jan-10-04 04:09 PM by cryingshame
Is Race For #2 Now Race For #1?
WASHINGTON, Jan. 9, 2004

In Iowa and New Hampshire – not to mention at least one national poll – Howard Dean's once seemingly insurmountable lead appears to be shrinking rapidly. As a result, the week's top story – who's going to finish second in the first two states of the 2004 contest and establish himself as the anti-Dean? – has shifted to whether Dean can hang onto his frontrunner status after a week of missteps, bad press and attacks from his Democratic rivals.

In Iowa, where Dean and Dick Gephardt are running neck and neck, the former Vermont governor had a politically schizophrenic Friday. ... in 2000, Dean said the Iowa caucuses – second only to ethanol subsidies and fried Oreos at the State Fair in Iowans' hearts – were "dominated by special interests" and "don't represent the centrist tendencies of the American people, they represent the extremes."

Dean was immediately sent reeling (and pandering) by the howls from his rivals and other Democrats in Iowa. By Friday morning, he was apologizing. "I support the Iowa caucus... and I have already promised... that if elected, the Iowa caucus will be first again in 2008." ... But just as things were looking their darkest for Dean, Sen. Tom Harkin announced his decision to endorse Dean....

No doubt the timing was influenced... by the beating Dean had taken in the last 24 hours over his alleged anti-caucusism. A measure, perhaps, of the Dean camp's concern can be gleaned from the event's timing: Dean was in Vermont, not in Iowa with Harkin for the obligatory hands-over-their-heads TV shot, leaving the event with a distinct "hurry up and do it before it's too late" smell. ... About ten seconds after Harkin spoke, Dean appeared on CNN and was far less apologetic than he was pre-endorsement. "If you want a Washington politician who's going to argue about who said what six or seven years ago, then you should vote for another candidate," said a newly confident Dean.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/politics/main592474.shtml
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 04:10 PM
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1. uh huh
a hurry up I'm tanking endorsement
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 04:14 PM
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2. Money, Media, Endorsements
And Dean goes nowhere but down. Words matter. Character matters. Iowans know that. No amount of Washington Insider endorsements are going to save him. In fact, they make him look stupid when he bashes them and then turns around and sucks up to them when he gets those endorsements.

It's going to be a Very Kerry New Year!!
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 05:20 PM
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12. So, saying that.....
Where do you see Kerry in the next 11 months?
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deminflorida Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 04:16 PM
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3. Looks the way things are turning out, Dean won't be the...
front-runner by the time the Iowa Caucus comes around.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 04:25 PM
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8. I Think Will Be The Frontrunner in Polls
and win Iowa. Perhaps not by such a large margin.

May the best man win.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 05:21 PM
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13. I'm going to Iowa on Thursday to assist Dean to "Victory".
Edited on Sat Jan-10-04 05:22 PM by liberalnurse
What are you doing for your candidate?
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1floridademocrat Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 06:46 PM
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19. I see it...
A bit diffrent 8)

I'll predict that Dean will win the nomination, will win both IA and NH by respectible margins.
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 04:18 PM
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4. My understanding from the Lisa Meyer's piece
is that the comment about Iowa caucus was made in 2000. Six or seven years ago ?
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 04:20 PM
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6. 6th or 7th
Dean likes those numbers...heh heh
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 05:28 PM
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14. Are you in denial?
Dean is way up front......No need to be expressing private wishful thinking in a mean fashion.....facts will speak for themselves. Dean is driven by the power of people.....and people vote.

Unfounded cuts and digs without merit are unkind to the Democratic Party. I know we have to fight daily for respect as "liberals".....I really don't want Democrats to destroy our own Party.

Who here is a devoted Democrat? I am.....:)
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 04:20 PM
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5. FACT CHECK
Edited on Sat Jan-10-04 04:26 PM by HFishbine
The article misaccurately reports that, "Dean said the Iowa caucuses... "were 'dominated by special interests'..."

Dean was not commenting on the Iowa caucuses, but on the caucus system in general. He never mentioned Iowa. This was clearly not a (4 year-old) slight of Iowa and a terrible misrepresentation of the facts.
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 04:25 PM
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9. This is the first time I've heard this - he was talking about caucuses in
general - not Iowa specifically. Need to spread the word on this one.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 05:31 PM
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15. and which one of all is the most famous caucus?
:freak:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 04:26 PM
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11. He Also Mentioned Extremists On Both Sides
On the Right perhaps he was talking about Corporations like Entergy?
On the Left perhaps he was talking about Environmental groups like the Sierra Club?
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 05:37 PM
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16. are you under the impression there are no extremists on the left?
he was being diplomatic, he didn't want to single out the right's extremists. That wouldn't be prudent!
He's going to make a great President, heyna?
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 04:22 PM
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7. Good Dean showing confidence - that is oneof the things that draw people
to him - he needs to keep it up - stop the apoligizing.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 04:25 PM
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10. Dean needs to stop saying things he has to apologize for.
Excellent, incisive article. Especially the "hurry up and endorse" observation.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 05:40 PM
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17. He hasn't said anything he has to apologize for
:7
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 05:46 PM
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18. Only the supporters of trailing candidates seem to want apologies
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 07:40 PM
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20. His unfavorable rating is at 39% up from 24% last month. Not good.
IMO - you all would be well-advised to encourage your candidate to begin acting Presidential instead of continuing with his erratic behavior. Sending him money every time he has an "outburst" or acts inappropriately isn't the world's best plan.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040107-110341-6605r.htm

Among all voters nationally, the poll found that 39 percent had an unfavorable opinion of him, compared with 24 percent in a November poll.

Even among Democrats, Mr. Dean's negative rating has doubled from 10 percent in November to 22 percent, although his favorable ratings also increased, from 36 percent in November to 45 percent.
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mikewriter Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:15 PM
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21. Gep will win Iowa
Edited on Sat Jan-10-04 11:23 PM by mikewriter
Dean will be 2nd, Kerry 3rd but Dean will win big in NH and still be the front runner. Clark will be second after more of the primaries
but Dean will survive and beat Bush
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