My God! Check the CNN poll!!!

[gatorboy]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/30/debate.main/index.html

President George W. Bush 18% 34591 votes

Sen. John Kerry 78% 151129 votes

Evenly matched 4% 7912 votes
Total: 193632 votes

The freepers can spin it any way they want, but you can't deny that number of 150,000+.
That's your average American voting in that poll and Bush should be wetting his pants right now. It's been a good night!

[UCLA Dem]

1. cool

[StlMo]

2. Cool, indeed!

edited to add !

:D :dem: :D :dem: :D

[Erika]

3. Bush Appeared As a Total Dunderhead

and Americans agree.

[seventhson]

4. We better be ready for 9-11 II "Goebbel's "Electoral Bomb"

If the Bushies see the handwriting on the wall and are desperate enough - I suspect they will hit a nuke plant.

After Bush's meltdown tonight, they will have to do SOMETHING to avaoid further debates and postpone or eliminate elections.

The Bushes did it in Nazi Germany (the Reichstag Fire was a Bush operation according to lots of evidence)

and they will do it again here again.

[Kurovski]

7. But we are told by the Bush administration that we are safer now.

An attack would make it obvious to even the most dunder-headed among us that we are not.

[Heath.Hunnicutt]

12. A type of facemask.

It's not enough for anything tremendously bad, but you can purchase full-face masks that take air filter cartridges. They are intended for paint jobs, but you can get cylinders from standard brands that are excellent at your choice of acids or organic molecules. You have to use the same on both sides of the mask for protection. It's important the mask have a part that covers your eyes, and that it fits and makes a good seal.

Is it a good idea to stock up on Iodine? Can anyone find a reference for the mechanism of Iodine? I know it is vital to have on hand for a WMD potential and costs $5 for the emergency pills at places like REI or probably Wal-Mart. I don't know if it works by stocking up on it in all cases.

Water is the most important thing to have on hand before the emergency. Food, a way to survive the elements such as heat, cold, etc. Have a wrench useful for turning your gas off.

Wear sunscreen.

[SammyWinstonJack]

17. And how will that work for them?

They can't have it both ways as Blinky is fond of saying. Either we're safer or we aren't.

[seventhson]

18. We aren't and they don't care

Martial law and blocking the election would be the goal.

[Jokinomx]

5. Yes indeed, it has been a good night...

As I stated a couple of days ago... John Kerry will start his campaign with the first debate. The gloves have come off... he knocked chimp down and will continue to slam him until the election.

Kerry will play his best cards a week or two before Nov. 2nd and take a commanding lead into the election.

That is my humble opinion...

:kick:

[Senior citizen]

6. The best part is that * repeatedly mentioned elections in Afghanistan,

so he'd have a heck of a time trying to explain why we can't have one here. Even Diebold can't fiddle with these numbers.

[GreggDem]

8. Great -n/t

nt

[LibertyorDeath]

9. Kick

[Heath.Hunnicutt]

10. One thing to watch out for in this poll...

...is the potential that someone from our side stooped to computerized fraud. This is something that has transpired on other occassions of computerized polls. Frankly, I don't believe that is the case. The CNN poll is out of the norm, but these are unscientific polls and vary quite a bit in the way they are handled and presented. So maybe some results are skewed. Mostly, though, I think the deal is that people all over the world are voting on CNN.

And of course, the equally likely potential that someone from their side rigged the poll via computer so it would look like someone from our side did it.

It's like Iocaine Powder, and the rest of the advice would have been relevant to a land war on the western side of Asia, too.

The overall polls trend though??? *GLEE*

All the polls agree! Whopping numbers of people who were motivated by what they saw voted early to express their opinion before those who read about it in the newspaper could chime in.

I mean, seriously, there are about 200 people on-line who do all the polls. It's fun, but we can't really swamp the results of all the tens of thousands of everyday users who decide to vote. All these polls have huge numbers except the ones in small towns. You can see that some of the 500-800 response polls are out of shape so far. The ones in the 60k range are pretty much in agreement. According to them, it's a stellar day for our side.

And finally, forewarned is forearmed. If a poll hacking incident blows up on either side, that is the hot-sweet time to get talking about the no-no of voting electronically.

[seventhson]

13. Is this a talking point?

foreshadowing?

Why would you imply that someone on "our" side hacked the polls.

Ridiculous

[Heath.Hunnicutt]

14. That isn't all I wrote.

Give me a break SeventhSon, I meant what I wrote: it is better to be prepared mentally for all possibilities. I don't believe the poll is hacked, but I feel burned by letting my emotional reaction run away with me over the forged memos. If we focus on any one explanation for the news, we are standing on one rug. Hopefully, it is not a rug meant to be pulled out from under us. Better to not trust the rugs, I think.

[featherman]

26. Memos not proven forged. If you have proof it would be a great

scoop for you and make you world famous. Give over...

Over 2 million votes in MSNBC poll of which, as you say, maybe a few hundred DUers.

Not sure what you are getting at with your strange posts

[Heath.Hunnicutt]

27. WTF are you thick as a brick?

I am trying to be realistic and put out realistic ideas. It is possible we are going to be framed, and it is also possible somebody on our side is going to do something stupid that we have to stand up and say, "that was lame."

I am not sure why this place is so full of knee-jerkers who can't understand that I totally support Kerry and hate Bush, but want us to do a thorough and thoughtful job on all aspects of strategy.

Actually, I do know why -- we are all emotional. I get so fired up sometimes I also reject anything that isn't our party line. It's a weakness. Being able to think of our side as containing one or two dumb-asses is realistic. Or are we going the way of the Freeps and announcing ourselves the Chosen People of God???

Anyway, I agree the polls went our way. I just wanted to urge caution so we didn't get overextended on one, single poll.

As for the memos and my thoughts on them, maybe you should check out the really weird web page I link to from my profile.

[donco6]

11. Over 240,000 votes now.. .

Kerry at 77%. Wow.

[wadestock]

15. Add one more to that.....President Eisenhower's son, John

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

"President Eisenhower's son, John, a lifelong Republican, has switched his party registration to independent and is going to vote for John Kerry. This makes the second child of a Republican president who is jumping ship (Ron Reagan spoke at the DNC). Eisenhower does not feel he is leaving the party; he feels the party has abandoned the principles his father stood for, including balanced budgets at home and working with our allies abroad. To read his story, entitled "Why I will will Vote for John Kerry for President," click here. So far Chelsea Clinton, Amy Carter, and Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg have not announced for Bush. But they still have a month if they want to."

[Jacobin]

16. Holy Shiite

The Emporer has no clothes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111


People finally fucking noticed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Politicub]

19. Now its 71% Kerry with more than 500,000 votes

Holy fuck.

[bush equals idiot]

22. It's just killing them.

They describe it, Kerry edged out Bush. Yah and right off a 300 foot cliff.

[liberal N proud]

20. Shrub was like a pre-pubesent boy standing waiting for his turn at the

chalk board.
He didn't know what to do with him self. Making faces, leaning on the podium, picking up objects nearby (the empty glass).
Children do this when they are boared.
He just was not there.

[Octafish]

21. Note how they put Bush FIRST in the headline:

Thus, IMPLYING it was Bush's idea. The Crawford Village Idiot never would have thought of it if Sen. Kerry hadn't said it FIRST!

Bush, Kerry: Nukes most serious threat

First debate covers Iraq, homeland security

Friday, October 1, 2004 Posted: 5:16 AM EDT (0916 GMT)

CORAL GABLES, Florida (CNN) -- In the first presidential debate of the 2004 campaign, President Bush and Sen. John Kerry agreed Thursday that nuclear proliferation is the single most serious threat facing the United States.

But they disagreed on how the United States should negotiate with North Korea, which is believed to possess several nuclear weapons.

CONTINUED...

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/30/debate.main/index.html

PS: NPR did the same thing in their evening broadcast. The voice clip had Smirko McCokespoon go "Nuc-u-lar proliff-er-a-shen by terrists." Then they ran JK saying "Nuclear proliferation." When he said this in the debate he answered the moderator's question IMMEDIATELY. The way NPR ran it, it sounded like JK echoed what Warlord Moron said.

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[Zen Democrat]

23. Paula Zahn tonight said over 2 million responses to online poll.

And Kerry was ahead with 61%.

[foo_bar]

25. the online poll itself says 829k, Kerry 71%

http://www.cnn.com/POLLSERVER/results/13581.content.html