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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:13 AM
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Should Kerry resign as senator to run for president?
It may seem late in the game, but I have received a few emails recently stating that Kerry should have done like other senators who ran for president and resigned while running for president. Here is what I have found.

Of the 54 presidential elections since 1789 only 15 were current or former senators. From my research, only 5 were sitting senators at the time they ran for the office of president.

Most senators who became candidates for president (this does not include those who didn't receive their party's nomination) ran after they took a break before accepting their party's nomination for president. They were not sitting senators at the time of their party's nomination. Of those who were sitting senators at the time they accepted their party's, only 2 senators resigned their seat to run for president, Bob Dole and Lewis Cass (1848 primary), who was a senator (1845-48, 1849-57) from Michigan and retook his seat after a failed presidential run. Rufus King (1816 primary) was a senator (1789-96, 1813-1825) from New York. Henry Clay (1832 primary) was a senator (1831-42) from Kentucky. Warren Harding (1921 primary) became the first sitting senator to become president and he represented Ohio. John Kerry (2004 primary) became the second sitting senator to become president and represents Massachusetts (well, soon anyway... :))

Many of those who ran for president were governors or held other posts. From what I could see, none of them resigned their posts during their run.

It may not be 100% accurate, but I spent a lot of time looking into this. I used info from the following sites.... Senators running for Presidential Office & Unsuccessful Presidential Candidates
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:14 AM
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1. No, he shouldn't.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:23 PM
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17. See post 16!!
My post was very confusing! I was not suggesting Kerry resign. I am sorry it appeared that way!
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StrongbadTehAwesome Donating Member (623 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:16 AM
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2. The last senator to run for president who was actually elected
was JFK...who didn't resign his seat. Senators are typically a longer shot for the presidency, mostly because governors don't have a voting record to defend. Somehow though, I'd rather Kerry follow John Kennedy's example than Dole's.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:36 PM
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20. You are correct!
I did some follow up and JFK was still a sitting senator when he ran and won! So, hopefully, John Kerry will follow in his footsteps! Thanks for the info! When I was looking for info, it appeared (in the reading I found) that JFK was no longer in the Senate when he ran. So, JFK was the second sitting senator to be elected POTUS! He also followed a long tradition of NOT resigning his seat while running!

Again, thanks for the help!

Brightest Blessings!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:37 AM
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3. No
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 05:12 AM
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4. No. Of course not.
I'm sure if there's an issue that is one vote away from approval and which will benefit his constituents, he will fly back for it. But, otherwise? Why?
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 05:16 AM
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5. Then Mitt Romney gets to appoint a Repuke as his successor
and the Dems lose a seat in the Senate until an election can be held.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 05:20 AM
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6. No.
He shouldn't.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 05:26 AM
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7. No point now
There's little left of the current session, so there's no point in him doing so at this time.

And (Allah forbid) he loses, we'll still have one more Dem there in January, no matter what.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 05:43 AM
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8. No, No and Hell NO!
There is no precedent for such action!
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George W. Dunce Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 06:16 AM
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9. NO eom
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Minimus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 06:23 AM
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10. nope! he is a public servant and will serve one way or another
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Cornus Donating Member (720 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 06:25 AM
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11. Only if * resigns to run for president. nm
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BrendaStarr Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 06:47 AM
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12. No and Wikipedia is mostly disinformation
Wikipedia ia mostly disinformation on any political subject because of the paid right winger who have so much more time to play with history there.

After a person corrects some of this, another one of the paid right wingers will come along and revise it back to the R party line.'

This is not just a matter of opinion, but facts, like whether stagflation started under Jimmy Carter or not.

As a person who was an adult in the early seventies I remember the word stagflation being used about current conditions during the Nixon administration. So it's a pretty good trick if Jimmy Carter caused it.

(Nixon himself blamed Johnson for it. The expert historical sites I found blamed the Arab oil embargo, the first of which was brought about by Nixon's pandering to Israel (the last fact came from another historical site, neither of those sites were open to public revision and both seemed quite nonpartisan. Nixon's handling of the crisis was supposed (price controls) was supposed to have worsened the crisis.

We need to warn people about Wikipedia. We don't need people thinking that Wikipedia actually represents true history rather than the Corporate-Republican party line.
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 06:53 AM
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13. No, in fact
Romney and Healey tried to lead that charge against Kerry before the summer.

It fell flat -- and as the summer went on, Romney looked ridiculous because he spent most of the summer out of MA (campaigning for Bush and for himself on a national stage), causing everyone to call for him to resign!
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 07:00 AM
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14. This is a question for Mass. voters, if he isn't elected Pres. Somehow
I suspect that they would be more than happy to return him to office as Senator.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 07:27 AM
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15. No, I don't think he should resign.
I do think they should resign if they are running for both Pres. (or VP) and reelection to the Senate in the same year, as was the case with Joe Lieberman in 2000, who also did not resign his seat. Had they won there would have been a vacancy which would have been filled by the GOP Gov. Kerry is not up for reelection to the Senate so if he loses (God forbid) he could go back to the Senate, whereas if he were running for reelection there too he'd leave a vacancy which would have to be filled. Its different running for Pres. when your Senate term is not up than running for both at the same time.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:22 PM
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16. I think I confused y'all!
I am so sorry. I was NOT suggesting that Kerry resign! I think it is fine what he is doing. What I was trying to say was that many right-wingers were saying he SHOULD because there was a HISTORY of it! I PROVED there was no history of senators resigning, with the exception of Dole and Cass, both of whom LOST!

Again, I am sorry for the confusion! I was trying to provide some historical perspective. As usual, the right-wing was lying about "all senators resign" before they run. In my book, two examples do not equal "all!"

Please forgive my confusing post!

Brightest Blessings!
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Claire Beth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:24 PM
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18. absolutely not! n/t
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:29 PM
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19. JFK, Goldwater & McGovern didn't why should Kerry?
Dole only did so because he had tired of the senate and thought being the GOP candidate for president in 1996 would be the climax of his career and if he lost didn't want to return to the senate.
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