Do the Dean tapes make you wonder if hidden records a ticking time bomb?

[MIMStigator]

They make me wonder more. Why doesn't he release them instead of hiding? We shoudln't nominate someone with that ticking time bomb

[CMT]

1. no

because the tapes are not damaging. He is found to be consistent on issues such as NAFTA. He is outraged by people coming down hard on welfare moms. He is actually correct about the Iowa caucuses and even though he said this, is still competing there unlike some other candidates.

[KittyWampus]

16. He Wasn't Consistent On George Stephanopoulos

or in reality.

He supported it.

Now that he's running for President he doesn't.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. lets be clear about this

we could nominate Jesus Christ himself and they will find a time bomb.

Of cousre with Jesus it is all that thing about Mary Magdalene and possibly sex out of marriage.

(My apologies to all practicing christians, but this point has to be made... LOUDLY... you are letting Rove scare ya... and for the record if you think they will not find something on Clark... they will... that is their MO)

[bearfartinthewoods]

18. those records scare me

the reason dean gave for fighting to keep them sealed in the first statement, embarassing politicly, makes a whole lot more sense than the current excuse because sensitive material, names etc. could be redacted as they are in a thousand other cases.

the person who best knows whether they are damaging, is fighting their release.

that should tell you something...if you have ears willing to listen.

[democratreformed]

Check out this link

http://www.justiceforwoody.org

[bearfartinthewoods]

38. we are sooooo screwed n/t

[bowens43]

24. It does tell us something

It tells us that Deans opponents are getting desperate. ;-)

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. Read my post again

You are letting Rove determine WHO will run... they wanted Dean
becuase he struck them as an easy opponent... now that it is not that
way they are digging. As I said, if Jesus was our candidate they will DIG dirt out... and if we nominated oh Hitler, he would be a Commie

Notice, while they concentrate on this, have they let you know what is Dean's, Clarks, Kucinich's, Sharpton's et al policies? NOPE

They are making this into a horse race (who cares?) but they are not telling you what you need to know to make an informed decision. They are massaging the information... and you are biting.

Now the reason Dean gave for keeping those records sealed, all of them, are valid... and he is right to let a judge deal with this. I do not like secrecy in government, but if I were Gay, I would not want to be exposed... and ideally this would be redacted... but would it? And I know people who are GAY, and who do not want to come out of the closet, as it is not safe to do such... and now it is even more dangerous.

As I said, it does not matter who we nominate... the Rove dirty hunting team is now working 24\7... and I trust them to bring out even more sleaze, to keep you distracted...

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[CMT]

13. but Clark does have a record

Everything he ever uttered as a commentator on CNN can be dug up and analyzed--any utterances of praise for the Bush team can be used. His sacking fronm NATO. His voting record in support of Nixon, Reagan, and Bush I can be used to surmise what his thinking was--Why did he favor Reagan? did he like the tax cuts for the rich? did he like the Star Wars program? did he like the ketchup as a vegtable? the cuts in domestic programs?

I'm glad my candidate does have a public record and one which is overall progressive. Clark can talk about being progressive now, but what does he have to back it up? He can talk about being against the war in Iraq, but then he has to account for advising congressional candidates to support the resolution which led to the war.

[KittyWampus]

Quibble-Look Up Swett Quote

she says she "had the impression"...

And Dean's Record Is NOT Progressive

If you think it's overall progressive you are misinformed.

He's as much a DLC Corporate Whore as any of the Candidates or Democrats you and many other Dean supporters and DU'ers malign. Dean's record proves it.

[boxster]

25. Progressive?

How is someone who was fiscally conservative now considered a progressive?

Please elaborate on how you think fiscal conservatism = progressivism.

[bowens43]

17. Clark doesn't have a political record

but he does have a 30+ years military record and Rumsfeld holds the key to his files. I have feeling that the bushies are praying for a Clark nomination.

[ClintonTyree]

26. And that will be used against him...............

in a heartbeat. I can hear it now......Do you want someone in the White House who's NEVER held an elected office. What do we know about this man? Nothing. Wesley Clark, maybe he should run for City Council first.
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[maddezmom]

27. yup sometimes n/t

[maddezmom]

31. yes, and here's why

if he get's the nod, the stuff is going to come out (leaked, most likely by rove) in drips and drabs.

[joefree1]

5. Nope

The tapes show a thinking candidate not bridled by focus groups, special interest, or political handlers.

Very, very refreshing.

That dog won't walk.

Ominous Polls:
A look at the Gallup polls over the past few moths show why Democrats are becoming increasingly nervous about putting Clinton at the head of their ticket.
In a head-to-head match up on March 20, Bush led by only 52-43 percent and Clinton was indeed within striking range. But as the weekly disclosures took their toll during the ensuing primaries, Clinton's margin fell to 54-38 percent on March 29 and then fell further to 54-34 by the beginning of April.
Edit ...
"The negatives are forming on Bill Clinton like a political stalactite, drop by drop," said veteran Democratic consultant David Sawyer. "Each drip leaves a residue that builds on his negative image."
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Quayle campaign committee, "We're following the Napoleonic maxim: Never interfere with the enemy when they are in the process of destroying themselves."
http://www.worldandi.com/public/1992/june/cr6.cfm

"If you have no enemies, it is a sign fortune has forgot you."
- Thomas Fuller (1608 - 1661)

[auntpattywatty]

10. We need to read something like this occasionaly to help keep perspective

[in_cog_ni_to]

6. I don't think

the sealed records will be released until after the nomination...if ever. I agree that they should be released. How can he go after Cheney now, if he keeps his sealed? As for the tapes, I think there may be more excerpts from those yet to come. They have 90 of them.

[YellowDawgDemocrat]

12. Rest assured, Rove has plenty on Clark already

Clarks appeal rests largely on his military record. There are still few facts regarding his sudden retirement following his ouster by President Clinton.

I hope you guys are prepared for about a 100 GI's a day marching out to a media microphone...with a few high ranking members mixed in. And that's just for starters.

Just as the media smells blood in the water with Dean lately, you can bet Clark will be fed to the voters as well. It's all scripted and timed. However, the DNC would be more willing to defend Clark out of self preservation.

[Armstead]

7. I don;t know about the records, but the tapes are a non-issue

Geeze what a tempest in a teapot. This was a national talk show in which he is discussing politics of the day. It wasn't some whispered comments Dean made that was caught on a hidden camera.

The world looked a lot different to most people several years ago. My God, who would not be embarassed if someone were to drag out every observation they stated back then.

[jmaier]

8. It doesn't really matter

what sort of nits they dig up and try to mushroom into an anti-Dem tactical nuke.

Yes, Al Gore was 'Gored' in 2000 but that wasn't so much because of the silly issues: Internet inventor, alpha male controversy, or minor "lies", it was because Al, sadly, was perceived as a wonky, geeky automaton so all the stuff could stick because people were predisposed to believe it.

I think that with either Clark or Dean little inconsistencies or small issue negatives are going to be harder to stick: Dean is a pugnacious street fighter and Clark is a gentleman warrior -- these persona types are going to be much much harder to muddy up.

While, I'd prefer that they were perfect, they are very human and human in recognizable ways that are deemed "good" by many people. Either candidate will do fine from an ability to withstand character attacks. If I have a concern, it's more about regional demographic perceptions -- not the little smears.

[Adjoran]

9. The tapes are a non-issue

I agree with that. That was hyped far beyond any relevance.

There is something in the records Dean doesn't want out. He mentioned that when he sealed them for ten years, that "we don't want something embarassing coming out in some future endeavor" or words to that effect.

I doubt it is anything serious - else he wouldn't have mentioned the potential embarassment factor at all. But his refusal does give rise to questions.

[Bozola]

11. Do you ever wonder why Karl Rove still smiles?

[Fleshdancer]

14. Am I weird for not thinking these tapes are bad?

I can see how they would be damaging when the media chooses to extract bits and pieces without revealing his comments in full, but after reading the news stories that give the full information, I agree with what he said.

I'm sure everyone here will think it's because I'm stupid, naive, or that it has something to do with kool-aid, but I'm entitled to my opinion regardless.

Are the 40% of his records that are sealed a ticking time bomb? It's odd to speculate at this point. At some point they will be unsealed and we will find out.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

20. No - I don't see how they're that bad. But they are hurting him in Iowa

n/t

[bowens43]

15. No

[goobergunch]

19. No (n/t)

[BurtWorm]

21. Ha ha! That's a good one!

Why doesn't he release the Dean tapes! You mean like the Nixon tapes? That's very funny!

[drfemoe]

22. thee topics on page one about Dean tapes

must be news...

[jpgpenn]

23. for sure! Lets face it, if there were anything else positive in there....

The Dean campiagn wizards would have plastered them all over the air wave. The rest they want closed for a very long time!

[Capn Sunshine]

28. NO. THEY MAKE ME WONDER WHAT YOU WANT

Destroy the Democratic candidate?
Seems so.

IF ( big if) you're really so gung-ho Clark, shouldn't you be posting the campaign's "be nice to Dean, stay above the fray" message?

Or didn't you get that memo?

It's going to be hard to work with you in the general with all this Dean bashing going on.

Especially with your General as the VP candidate.

[MIMStigator]

34. i already posted in the say something nice thread

but if i see a train wreck if Dean is nominated why shouldn't I say so

[Hep]

29. You worry more?

I'm shocked that such a thing was possible.

[Padraig18]

30. Do Gen. Clark's sealed Pentagon files ever make YOU wonder?

:)

[killbotfactory]

32. Yeah, what I've learned so far is very shocking...

What will be the next thing to come out? That Dean prefers Wisconson cheese to Vermonts?

Maybe he praised Canada's maple syrup!

Or maybe he said a dirty word when he was mad one time!

His campaign will be doomed!

[Padraig18]

36. Doomed, I say--- DOOMED!

:P

[creativelcro]

33. NO