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Teramis Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 01:32 PM
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If Stupak amendment doesn't change, it would break one of Obama's campaign promises (Politifact.com)
Edited on Wed Nov-11-09 01:36 PM by Teramis
Via the Pulitzer Prize-winning website Politifact.com (not related to Politico.com, link at the end of this post) Candidate Obama told Planned Parenthood the following in a July, 2007 speech (video)

"In my mind, reproductive care is essential care. It is basic care, so it is at the center and at the heart of the plan that I propose. Essentially what we're doing is, were going to set up a public plan that all persons and all women can access if they dont have health insurance. It will be a plan that will provide all essential services, including reproductive services, as well as mental health services and disease management services, because part of our interest is to make sure that were putting more money into preventive care."


As you see in the excerpt above, we're told that "all women" would be provided with reproductive services in the public plan and people receiving subsidies from the government. So the debate over the amendment's effect on privately covered persons is irrelevant in this particular case.

Because of this, Politifact concludes:

The amendment's prohibition on providing abortion coverage to participants in the exchange who receive subsidized coverage or use the public option would clearly break Obama's promise. And while the Stupak-Pitts provision wouldn't establish an outright ban on abortion coverage for subsidized health exchange participants who buy private plans, it would add a significant logistical hurdle by forcing them to obtain a rider to obtain such coverage. Even unsubsidized health exchange participants -- whose ability to secure abortion coverage would not be directly restricted by the law -- might find themselves facing limited coverage choices if insurers take the path of least resistance and simply ignore the market for abortion-inclusive policies on the health exchange.


Read the entire analysis here: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/promis... /

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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 01:35 PM
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1. Meh... campaign promises are a game for children
Edited on Wed Nov-11-09 01:36 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
I didn't believe much of what Obama said during the primaries. Why would I now pretend to be shocked?

Politicians lie all the time. Even the dreamy ones.

Duh.

Just try getting elected on the truth!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 01:36 PM
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2. "I didn't believe much of what Obama said during the primaries. "
It's pretty obvious.

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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 01:38 PM
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3. Or anyone else. But since Obama won we're not seeing posts about what other candidates promised
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 01:39 PM
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4. On second thought,
is this your way of saying you accept the Stupak amendment? Why shouldn't President Obama be held accountable for his campaign promises?

If he changes his position, he needs to explain why to the American people.


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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 01:44 PM
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6. He should be held to standards of right and good and wise, not "consistent"
Edited on Wed Nov-11-09 01:44 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
If he does something good it is good, whether he promised it or not.

If he does something bad then it is bad even if he promised to do it.

You may have noticed that I don't crack on Obama over mandates, though it's an easy way to get support for an argument on DU.

I support mandates. Always did. I attacked Obama in the primaries for saying he wouldn't have mandates because it was a cheap stunt.

It's not a personality thing. I support mandates as part of any full-featured national reform.

Whether that position is held by Obama, Hillary or Adolph Hitler is irrelevant to me. The policy speaks for itself.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 02:04 PM
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17. Tell us, Holier-Than-Thou One, what category does "the baby-killing industry" fall into?
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 01:43 PM
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5. That's just because they're misinterpreting him.
His bill will provide reproductive services. If a woman chooses to have the baby, she'll be covered. He didn't really promise that ALL procedures related to reproductive services would be covered, did he? I don't see that anywhere in the quote.

That's how they'd spin it. It's NOT a broken promise, it's your fault because you didn't understand what he was promising.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 01:55 PM
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11. That's right. Politifact is spinning what he said specifically into a generality. nt
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 01:59 PM
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15. that's absurd and you know it
not that i agree with the OP either because Obama has already said he does not support the Stupid amendment.
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 03:00 PM
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25. Of course that's an absurd argument, but that won't prevent some
people from making it.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 01:44 PM
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7. Welcome back, joey!
:hi:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 01:48 PM
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8. It better the hell not be.
Finally we got rid of that one.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 01:56 PM
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12. It is...
S/he posts negative articles and then says, "read more at:"
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 01:49 PM
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9. How did I miss that?
:rofl:


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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 01:58 PM
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13. Maybe your antennae weren't up.
:D
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 02:29 PM
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23. I'm thinking masuki or snowdays... we'll see. n/t
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 03:37 PM
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26. S/he's quick. I think s/he is hired to rile up discontent amongst Dems towards O & other Dems.
It's the divide and conquer idea.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 04:08 PM
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33. Goodbye again, joey!!!
:evilgrin:
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 01:50 PM
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10. Obama didn't write the clause and he is lobbying against it.
I'm not sure how you hold him accountable for it. HE isn't breaking his promise - Congress is.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 03:42 PM
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29. Exactly. But this is how people work and note the amount of DUers who agree. n/t
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 01:58 PM
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14. Can I say "joeytrolla" now, or is it
considered poor form to speak ill of the dead?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 02:26 PM
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20. does the happy dance.
oh, sorry. no grave dancing.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 02:01 PM
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16. A campaign promise should never be interpreted as anything but a
promise to fight for the issue - The President cannot promise what Congress would do.

The Office of POTUS is not the office of Santa Claus. It can only be a promise to sign/veto and is certainly broad brush and should be - no candidate can know exactly what's going to happen.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 02:05 PM
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18. He can LEAD on the issue
by simply saying he wont sign the bill with that amendment in it. That he will go to the wall for women's reproductive health.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 02:17 PM
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19. Get a grip. n/t
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 02:26 PM
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21. Obviously Obama flip flopped on that promise just as he did with the war, the environment
and everything else that made people want to vote for him.

Told ya'll so that he was status quo a very long time ago.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 03:39 PM
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27. You do realize you're agreeing with a well known troll that's been tombstoned for lies before. n/t
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 03:45 PM
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30. Of course. She is one of the biggest cheerleaders of the recently departed this board has. n/t
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 03:47 PM
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31. I'll be sure to remember that. Why would they come here & donate but support liars & drama makers?
n/t
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 03:57 PM
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32. I don't get it either.
They would certainly get more support for this kind of shit over at freeperville than they will ever get here. But then I guess that wouldn't satisfy the protagonist in them.

:shrug:

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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 02:26 PM
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22. nice hit and run
better luck next incarnation
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 02:31 PM
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24. unrec.......you showed up to post this in an ever so familiar format. n/t
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 03:39 PM
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28. Ignore it til it dies of starvation.
Edited on Wed Nov-11-09 03:40 PM by JTFrog
Obvious troll is ....

OBVIOUS

:shrug:

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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 04:26 PM
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34. Locking...
to put it nicely, the OP has past on to grayer pastures.

He'll take e-mails at: satan\'slair446@nuclearhell.damn
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