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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 07:20 AM
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Obama is the reason we are even talking about health care
right now, instead of whether to pass even more tax cuts for the wealthy.

So excuse me for supporting him.
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the other one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 07:28 AM
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1. We elected Obama to champion health care
The voters did their part, now Obama must lead the charge or let us down. I will support him to the extent he supports
me.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 07:47 AM
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3. We elected Obama to do every goddamn thing......
and don't even try to deny it.

Some have been ragging on him since day one,
and yet they expect the world from him, literally.

Excuse me if I don't give those who continuously announce they "elected" Obama
as much credit as they think they might deserve...
considering that most of them have not lifted one damn finger since they cast that vote,
except to type out some critique of any and everything they don't like,
while having their foot up his ass since before January 20th.

I'm not impressed with this kind of support,
especially after he clearly stated again and again,
speech after speech, that he couldn't do it without our help.

And then some feign surprise that it is a hard row.....
while they sit their asses on the sideline,
without even a mop or a bucket and unwilling to assist
yelling at him as to where the dirt is,
and shouting that he'd better hurry up and clean the shit up.....
and clean it up real good; that if he even has to lick it, so be it.

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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:15 AM
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7. +10000
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 10:21 AM
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18. Frenchie, you do have a way with words. Thumbs up. nt
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 10:26 AM
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21. funny, those who call others cultists really seem to think the guy has some kind of god-like
superpowers that he is holding back on us...
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:22 PM
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27. +100000
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:11 PM
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38. Million x a Million!
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:20 PM
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40. +1 n/t
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:48 AM
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16. We elected a DEMOCRAT to do this. nt
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 10:25 AM
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20. his responsibility is to sign legislation, not write it. but then again i bet you knew that.
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Ineeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 07:38 AM
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2. You're right, and the rethugs are all saying
'there's no doubt that our healthcare system needs fixing...' So where the fuck have they been? For that matter, where is their actual solution to the problem? Obstructionist a-holes.
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LaydeeBug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 07:48 AM
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4. Oh bullshit.
Edited on Tue Nov-10-09 07:50 AM by LaydeeBug
Yep. Bullshit. EACH AND EVERY major Democratic candidate in the primary talked about Health care. Saying "he is the reason for tha season" is a bit over the top. And if he is, assuming that's true, where the fuck was he for single payer? "We are the change we wish to see......We are who we've been waiting for..." so this is the fucking best he can do? My Gawd if the OP is true, what a sad thing that says.
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123m456h789d Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:25 AM
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8. Oh bullshit.,LaydeeBug
(so this is the fucking best he can do,) Maybe, Maybe not, but at least he tying. What are you doing beside advertising for FOX NEWS ON THE DU.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:39 AM
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14. the best he can do is finally pass something after 40 years of trying.
what a piker. :eyes:
do you think it hasn't gotten done all this time because nobody thought about it, or what? what do you think has stood in the way for 40 years?
jesus.

yes, i support my president. i wish for a perfect world as much as anyone, but here on planet earth, this is the possible. barely possible. possible because of him.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 10:27 AM
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22. in turn you better say every other dem president we've had is crappy, because this is the closest
we've gotten to reform.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:23 PM
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28. So he was never for single payer
And now you are crediting other Democrats with bringing it up? Then they have their job to do too, not just the President.
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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:10 AM
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5. Well the wealthy are still getting those tax cuts
Remember ..raising taxes during a recession?
This package out there is not real healthcare reform.So far this President has done little for main street and everything for the banks and Wall st.By the time this bill is debated and passed in the Senate it will look a $1.00 discount coupon for Walgreen's and that is about all we will get.
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:41 AM
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15. Those tax cuts expire next year and the proposed house bill raises them 5.3%

And you are full of shit. Plenty has been done for the non-wealthy. The auto bailout deals alone saved a multitude of main street jobs and favored the unions over the hedge fund investors.
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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:04 PM
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35. I beg your pardon..
It was only after GM filed bankruptcy and made all sorts of concessions that GM was able to borrow from the Govt.. and even now the GM exec salaries are limited..While the banks and Wall street got their bail out with no strings attached..they were able to keep the same CEOs that took them to the brink of bankruptcy and in fact those same CEOs received millions in bonuses..Now there was suppose to be new strict bank regulations but as of today there has been no rules set for the banks,and Wall Street..As far as allowing the tax cuts to run out..We we shall see...Now we can debate the issues but debating issues doesn't give you right to tell someone they are full of shit.
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:14 AM
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6. AGREED n/m
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:25 AM
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9. I have been asking for weeks now where health care reform would be....
... if it weren't for the President.

I never get an answer (which is, in itself, an answer.) .... and if someone disagrees with me, sure, go ahead and tell me about ... kick this thread up a few more times because it needs more exposure.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:29 AM
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10. I support the president.
Especially since he has taken a stand against the Stupak amendment.

Thank you Mr. President!
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:33 AM
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11. Congress just passed huge corporate tax cut under the guise of extending unemployment benefits!
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:35 AM
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12. Because it's all about Obama,
not whether or not the bill helps, or hinders, the goal: universal, single-payer, not-for-profit health CARE.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 10:29 AM
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23. that goal can't be accomplished in one step. you know there's no where near the support in congress
Edited on Tue Nov-10-09 10:29 AM by dionysus
for single payer.

your choice is between incremental reform, or nothing.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:53 PM
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46. That may be.
I believe that it's best to start with the goal, and to get as far as we can.

We didn't start with the goal.

We started with some rhetoric about some things that would have been compromises, and then backed down on the compromises.

The goal is universal, single-payer, not-for-profit health care.

A strong, vigorous public option available to all would have been a compromise.

Allowing states to opt out in favor of single-payer would have been a compromise.

A corporate health insurance give away, with everyone required to purchase their product, is not an incremental step.

The Stupak amendment is not an incremental step.

A "public option" that is closed to most of the public is not an incremental step.

Neither is the "public" option being managed privately.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:38 AM
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13. Bullshit. Every Dem running supported HCR
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:32 PM
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31. Were there any who ever used the term "baby-killing industry"? nt
Edited on Tue Nov-10-09 12:33 PM by ClarkUSA

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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 10:19 AM
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17. Obama's the reason we've been talking about a LOT of things
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 10:23 AM
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19. So?
We would also be talking about health care if Edwards or Hillary were in the WH. That's why we elected a Democrat.

:shrug:
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:23 PM
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29. Still bitter, eh? nt
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 01:40 PM
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34. Still a jerk, eh?
:eyes:
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 10:44 AM
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24. K&R.
I'm with you CTLawGuy!

:toast:
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:19 PM
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25. K&R
:thumbsup:
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:21 PM
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26. Amen!
We could be talking about the invasion of Iran right now.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:26 PM
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30. I agree with you. I support him for supporting us. n/t
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:36 PM
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32. Obama supporters get attacked because
they hold the President accountable. Tell the President you hold him accountable, and follow his lead.

That leads me here following the lead of the President. And where we are now is where the President is, wherever that is. But he's being held accountable.

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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:44 PM
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33. Obama is da man and don't you forget it unless you want BUSH REDUX nt
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:06 PM
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36. I think any DEM president
would have tried to pass health care reform, whether it was Obama, Biden, HRClinton, Kucinich, Edwards, etc, etc, etc.

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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 07:28 AM
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51. It was not just winning
it was winning large and symbolically that actually mattered. If another candidate had won, with most of the rest, the margin would not have been as large and the moment would have been at least somewhat less symbolic. The question is not whether they would have tried, but whether with smaller majorities in the house and senate, the attempt would have gone anywhere.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:11 PM
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37. And the Health Care Fiasco result - Gifts to the Insurance companies ...
will be the reason Obama will be a one term President. :grr:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:58 PM
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47. Bullshit..President Obama is going to be around for 8 years..
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 12:58 PM
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48. That's not what will stop him from a second term.
It will be people like you that don't bother taking the time to think for yourself that keep him from a second term.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:13 PM
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39. No, we wouldn't be.
That's what a lot of people on this board just can't grasp.
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Garam_Masala Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:22 PM
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41. I agree that Obama is the reason HCR is in play
However my final grade will depend on what comes out of the sausage factory
also known as US Congress.

If Obama can give us Single Payer, I will give him A+
If best he does is a weak PO then I am sorry he gets a C+.
And everything in between gets grades in between.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:31 PM
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42. Sounds like you aren't grading on a curve, when you should be,
considering the asshole congress, and the whore like press who are looking for negativity to instigate every damn day. Holding out for giving an A+ only if Obama accomplishes something that he never set out to accomplish nor ran on is like you cheating in order to give him a low score..... and it is the reason that your post fails, with a great big ass "F".


Sorry. :shrug:
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Garam_Masala Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:32 PM
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45. I have been graded all my life.
Edited on Tue Nov-10-09 09:52 PM by Garam_Masala
So I have the right to grade Obama on his accomplishments the same way.

Single Payer is by orders of magnitude superior to any other convoluted
system of empowering private insurance companies through mandates and
then accepting all the rejected patients by insurance companies into a Public Option.
....Sorry that does not make any sense. What part of
that logic Obama does not understand? Why is he not using his bully pulpit
to explain why Single Payer is the best HCR?

So yes Obama gets a C+ if all he can get done with the overwhelming
majority in congress, is a weak PO which gives the insurers bigger load of
customers and bigger profits and more funds to buy off more politicians.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 12:59 PM
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49. So you're grading Obama on Congress' actions?
That's... interesting.
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Garam_Masala Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 07:00 PM
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50. I am grading Obama for lack of bully pulpit use for Single Payer
If he was pushing for Single Payer every news conference, every TV appearance,
and still could not get it through congress then I would still give him at least A-
for trying like hell.

But he has not done it, so I give him at best C+
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:37 PM
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43. Actually, after eight fucking long years
we were able to get someone in on our side to try, once again to get health care reform back on the agenda. ANY Democrat would have done it. It is that important. We were talking about it way BEFORE Obama became a Senator.
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:41 PM
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44. I don't blame Obama for how crappy the legislation will be.
He can't change the way Congress and Washington works. Big money has big influence and Obama can't do anything about that. Clinton had the same problem.
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