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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 11:33 PM
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10 months in, President Obama achieves an historic victory. Amazing.
Think of it: A health care bill covering our nation. Both Roosevelts wanted it; Truman fought for it; Johnson got some of it; Clinton tried but failed.

President Obama got it through the House, even in the face of opposition from Dems who apparently take their marching orders from Rush. It's a long way from being law, admittedly. The first thing the Senate Dems have to do is reject Grassley utterly. He is a cancer. Then, use this momentum to ram it home.

Many here oppose it. I know it's not perfect, but it's still a good day to be a Dem, and an American.

Certainly imperfect. That said, Shall we dance?

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   Agreed -- this is one for the ages  Politicub   Nov-07-09 11:35 PM   #1 
   And they threw women under the bus to do it. Stupak Amendment is an abomination.  saracat   Nov-07-09 11:35 PM   #2 
   Conveniently ignoring the OP's very qualified statement...n/t  CakeGrrl   Nov-07-09 11:38 PM   #4 
   The PUMAS have to have their gripes  davidpdx   Nov-07-09 11:40 PM   #6 
      Sorry.Not a PUMA. But believe as you like. Apparently supporting choice makes you a PUMA.  saracat   Nov-07-09 11:42 PM   #7 
         Failed reasoning  davidpdx   Nov-07-09 11:48 PM   #17 
         bullshit excuse FAIL. and everyone knows it.  dionysus   Nov-08-09 09:22 PM   #33 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-07-09 11:46 PM   #12 
   No, saracat is not a troll. Far from it.  Faygo Kid   Nov-07-09 11:51 PM   #20 
      Thank you. I respect your position as well.  saracat   Nov-08-09 01:07 AM   #27 
   you didn't want to pass the bill even before the stupak amendment  Aramchek   Nov-07-09 11:55 PM   #22 
      Stupak was the icing on the cake. That is beyond too much.  saracat   Nov-08-09 12:05 AM   #24 
   "etcetera! etcetera! etcetera!"  Clio the Leo   Nov-07-09 11:36 PM   #3 
   Yay Stupak passed. Celebrate.  saracat   Nov-07-09 11:43 PM   #8 
      Ok, now I'm not sure if I've told you this story before.....  Clio the Leo   Nov-07-09 11:47 PM   #13 
      And I had hoped we were beyond that.And worse, we compromised with ourselves and not the opposition.  saracat   Nov-07-09 11:53 PM   #21 
         Yes ............  Clio the Leo   Nov-08-09 12:00 AM   #23 
            i give that post style points  dionysus   Nov-08-09 09:24 PM   #35 
            I hope this asshole pays for his vote with his seat in 2010.  liquid diamond   Nov-08-09 11:58 PM   #38 
               Whereas I hope  quakerboy   Nov-09-09 12:52 AM   #39 
      strawman fail.  dionysus   Nov-08-09 09:23 PM   #34 
   How is selling us out to corporate America historic?  dflprincess   Nov-07-09 11:40 PM   #5 
   You can always join the John Boehner Fan Club. He opposed this, too.  Faygo Kid   Nov-07-09 11:45 PM   #10 
   Before you pop the champagne.....  cleveramerican   Nov-07-09 11:43 PM   #9 
   Obviously, but it has to START here. And it has. n/t  CakeGrrl   Nov-07-09 11:47 PM   #14 
   I'd bet money that the White House is calling Senators right now  charlie and algernonDU Moderator   Nov-07-09 11:48 PM   #15 
   he got the hardest one first. Here go the Dominoes!!  Aramchek   Nov-07-09 11:46 PM   #11 
   For the first time I'm getting the feeling....  Clio the Leo   Nov-07-09 11:48 PM   #18 
   somebody better notify saturday night live.  RepublicanElephant   Nov-07-09 11:48 PM   #16 
   I am so proud  ind_thinker2   Nov-07-09 11:49 PM   #19 
   He is not doing enough  Hutzpa   Nov-08-09 12:07 AM   #25 
   Ahhh, don't worry about it. This makes the history books, and he's not done yet.  Faygo Kid   Nov-08-09 12:13 AM   #26 
   kick and rec.. nt  NYC_SKP   Nov-08-09 01:30 AM   #28 
   K&R  stevenleser   Nov-08-09 01:33 AM   #29 
   Kick!  Nedsdag   Nov-08-09 01:34 AM   #30 
   We won?  Arkana   Nov-08-09 01:36 AM   #31 
   Thank you, Faygo Kid and Congratulations  Cha   Nov-08-09 09:17 PM   #32 
   K&R! n/t  firedupdem   Nov-08-09 09:28 PM   #36 
   Health Insurance for Men with Money. This is not a victory.  bluetrain   Nov-08-09 09:42 PM   #37 
   Too late to rec!  JNelson6563   Nov-09-09 06:53 AM   #40 
   Kicking back up  Peacetrain   Nov-09-09 11:17 AM   #41 
 
Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 11:35 PM
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1. Agreed -- this is one for the ages
And once the Senate gets its butt in gear, this President and Congress will go down in history as one of the greats.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 11:35 PM
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2. And they threw women under the bus to do it. Stupak Amendment is an abomination.
But hey, as long as it looks good, who cares right?
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 11:38 PM
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4. Conveniently ignoring the OP's very qualified statement...n/t
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davidpdx (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 11:40 PM
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6. The PUMAS have to have their gripes
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 11:42 PM
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7.  Sorry.Not a PUMA. But believe as you like. Apparently supporting choice makes you a PUMA.
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davidpdx (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 11:48 PM
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17. Failed reasoning
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 09:22 PM
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33. bullshit excuse FAIL. and everyone knows it.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 11:51 PM
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20. No, saracat is not a troll. Far from it.
A voice to be respected. I agree with her, but this HAD to go through. I don't understand the Dems who pushed this, and I know Bart Stupak. I think we won tonight, but I totally disagree with the Stupak amendment. The perfect was not the enemy of the good tonight, but I understand.

I think we had to crush the GOP tonight to ever get health care reform, and we did it. Neither saracat nor I are bad people because of our positions.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 01:07 AM
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27. Thank you. I respect your position as well.
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Aramchek (929 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 11:55 PM
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22. you didn't want to pass the bill even before the stupak amendment
don't pretend that is why you oppose it.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 12:05 AM
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24.  Stupak was the icing on the cake. That is beyond too much.
Real healthcare that covers ALL Americans and womens rights attacked at once. I would never say that Stupak is the only reason I don't think this is a good bill.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 11:36 PM
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3. "etcetera! etcetera! etcetera!"
And to borrow from ANOTHER Brynner movie, "so it is written, so it shall be done!" ....... well, almost lol
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 11:43 PM
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8. Yay Stupak passed. Celebrate.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 11:47 PM
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13. Ok, now I'm not sure if I've told you this story before.....
.... but back in the say, the founding fathers had to COMPROMISE on slavery in order to get the form that more perfect Union. ;)

(and for those who dont know what I'm talking about...)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 11:53 PM
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21. And I had hoped we were beyond that.And worse, we compromised with ourselves and not the opposition.
We have met the enemy and they are us.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 12:00 AM
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23. Yes ............
.... they are



(sorry, forgive me, that was a low blow, but I'm high on an historic vote buzz.)
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 09:24 PM
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35. i give that post style points
:)
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liquid diamond Donating Member (531 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 11:58 PM
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38. I hope this asshole pays for his vote with his seat in 2010.
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Nov-09-09 12:52 AM
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39. Whereas I hope
All the assholes who fail to even attempt to bring us a world class health care system are the ones who loose their seats. I suppose yours is the more likely dream, mores the pity.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 09:23 PM
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34. strawman fail.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 11:40 PM
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5. How is selling us out to corporate America historic?
It happens all the time.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 11:45 PM
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10. You can always join the John Boehner Fan Club. He opposed this, too.
A small group, admittedly. They could use a leader.

Only requirement: Nice tan and expensive golf clubs.



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cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 11:43 PM
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9. Before you pop the champagne.....
The senate still has to get their shit together.

I am waiting for Harry's response to this
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 11:47 PM
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14. Obviously, but it has to START here. And it has. n/t
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charlie and algernon DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 11:48 PM
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15. I'd bet money that the White House is calling Senators right now
getting the ducks in a row, putting the pieces in place for the Senate's turn.
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Aramchek (929 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 11:46 PM
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11. he got the hardest one first. Here go the Dominoes!!
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 11:48 PM
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18. For the first time I'm getting the feeling....
.... of momentum in our favor. The feeling that it's now HARDER for the Blue Dogs etc. to oppose the Senate bill now that the House bill has passed.

It's a good feeling.

It will last until Harry scares the crap out of us again on Wednesday. :)
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16. somebody better notify saturday night live.
wouldn't want them screwing-up another parody.
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ind_thinker2 (214 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 11:49 PM
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19. I am so proud
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 12:07 AM
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25. He is not doing enough
just asked some members here, as you can see some of the threads starting on
how this bill is going to fail at the Senate.

In their eyes, he is nothing.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 12:13 AM
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26. Ahhh, don't worry about it. This makes the history books, and he's not done yet.
I don't care that others denigrate this achievement. This is an extraordinary moment in U.S. history, and he just "happens" to be president now.

We are going to get an imperfect bill, but it will be a great achievement for Americans to get health care, and he is going to get it. This is transformational, for the nation and his presidency.

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28. kick and rec.. nt
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29. K&R
I love it!!!!!
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30. Kick!
:kick:
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31. We won?
Holy shit. It made it through the House.

Now we just have to get it past the Senate.
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32. Thank you, Faygo Kid and Congratulations
to President Obama and all those who are working and supporting him!
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36. K&R! n/t
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37. Health Insurance for Men with Money. This is not a victory.
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40. Too late to rec!
Good post, love the image! :toast:

Julie
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41. Kicking back up
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