*** House Debate on Health Care Bill *** Thread 7

[annabanana]

Thread #1: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Thread #2: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Thread #3: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Thread #4: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Thread #5: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Thread #6 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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[itsrobert]

1. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Get on with it.

[annabanana]

2. I hope Nancy doesn't let him blather on all night!

[Razoor]

3. quit stalling already!

get on with the boner!


Edit: finally he shut up

[RoccoR5955]

4. When the heck are Boner's pants gonna catch fire?

He's been lying up a great big one. If he were Pinocchio, his nose would be 1,000,000,000,000 feet long!

[jefferson_dem]

5. Thanks for sticking with it annabanana.

[annabanana]

10. I may have to fold if THIS one goes to 100. . n/t

[charlie and algernon]

6. so basically Boehner wants to reform health care, but doesn't want to do any of the work

required to reform it.

[stray cat]

57. Like many DUers he is against any mandate to buy insurance

and against a mandate for people to have access to medical care as well

[AlinPA]

7. Boehner done, Now Dingell. 5 minutes.

[annabanana]

8. FINALLY. .

[Graybeard]

9. Rep Dingell. Standing Ovation, cheers.

Nice.

[RoccoR5955]

11. Dingell quoting NY Times... doesn't he know that it's a "Liberal rag?" n/t

[goclark]

13. Keeping it Kicking

Let's Roll Democrats ~ Where is Grayson?

[annabanana]

12. "I will not spend much time on the Republican Plan.. It is not

a substitute".

[annabanana]

14. When did his Dad serve in Congress.. from when to when?

[bluestateguy]

15. Dingell has been around the block

Hell, he's older than the block!

He's a single payer man, but he gets it. We need to pass this to move the ball forward, and continue the fight even after passage.

[Clio the Leo]

And if HE says "most Americans will get a decent choice!" ....

.... then that's good enough for me. He knows MORE about the matter and has been working for it longer than ANYONE here.

And if anyone disagrees with him ....... well, they can kiss my tee-hiney.

[annabanana]

16. The death of recision!. .YAY

[RoccoR5955]

17. Dingell- A car in Canada costs $4/hr less to make because they have UNIVERSAL health care! n/t

[dflprincess]

18. And the bill they're talking about tonight won't change that n/t

[annabanana]

19. HIM I could have listened to for a little longer

[RoccoR5955]

23. Yeah, and less to the Orange Boner! n/t

[RoccoR5955]

20. Here's the vote on the RepubliCON fecal amendment! n/t

[Politicub]

21. On edit - I see -- it's the evil stupak amendment

[charlie and algernon]

24. Stupak amendment

[annabanana]

25. first the Stupak amendment, then the Repub substitution

[Parker CA]

30. And then the real big vote we've all been waiting for. Fingers crossed!!!

[Cleita]

37. Who are the so far 13 Democrats voting in favor of this?

[annabanana]

22. They are going to vote on the amendments now - 15 minutes

[RoccoR5955]

26. FIFTEEN minutes! n/t

[Clio the Leo]

27. Good, I need to catch up...

.... I'm five mins behind on the old DVR.

[Politicub]

29. So much news flying - is the Stupak amendment expected to pass?

I sure hope not

[Kdillard]

32. I thought it failed by voice vote. Although the rumor was that whether this failed or passed

Dems still had the votes to pass the overall bill.

[POAS]

33. As a matter of standard practice someone

asked for a roll call vote and it was approved!

[jenmito]

40. The compromise with Pelosi was that if she allowed a vote on it, they'd vote for the final bill

whether it passed or not.

[davidpdx]

38. Seem like it might be close

But they just said on CSpan that some of the Republicans might vote present. That seems stupid as a strategy, but then again they are Republicans.

[RoccoR5955]

28. Announcer on C-SPAN - This is representitive Cancer, er Cantor... n/t

too funny!
I think he's got it!

[RepublicanElephant]

31. freudian slip. cantor IS a cancer on the congress. nt

[annabanana]

34. Just watching the numbers flip around. . Caller thinks that AARP

doesn't have the support of the "dues paying members"

[jenmito]

35. Reporter on C-Span just said a handful of Repubs. will vote "present" on Stupak bill!

They want it to fail, but they don't want to vote for "abortion." They think if this amendment fails, the whole BILL will fail. But it won't. Stupak told Pelosi as long as they allow a vote, they'll vote for the final bill.

[jefferson_dem]

39. At least one will vote "present" and the anti-choicers are not happy about it...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[jenmito]

43. Yeah-that's the guy the reporter named. I hope the Repubs. don't pressure him to change his mind.

[quiet.american]

36. Wow, Stupak amendment getting its ass kicked so far - 101 Nay-89 Yea.nt

[RoccoR5955]

42. Not so fast, Speedy Gonzalez! 117 yea, 130 ney now n/t

[quiet.american]

44. That's why I included the "so far." :) nt :)

[Parker CA]

46. 136-138 now.

[quiet.american]

51. I see Repubs have peeled off 46 Dems so far for the dark side. nt

[Parker CA]

59. 52 now. There's now way we can win on this one. The numbers are no longer there.

[quiet.american]

68. The one win is that Stupak no longer has any excuse to not vote for the House bill.

Although his name will now live in infamy amongst Democrats.

[Clio the Leo]

41. I swear I can't listen to these CSPAN callers.....

.... somebody yell when the vote is over so I can switch back to CSPAN. lol

[davidpdx]

47. Clio, no kidding sometimes it's painful to listen to

[Clio the Leo]

61. I'm taking this time to watch all the broo ha ha from this morning...

.... that I was READING everyone's reaction to before I went to work. Glad things calmed down a bit. "I object! I object!"

[charlie and algernon]

50. that young repub caller got owned

said how the repubs want the preexisting conditions out too and was immediately told that the repub version doesn't take out preexisting conditions

[Jennicut]

67. Like fingernails on a chalkboard.

The level of intelligence is extremely low with some of them.

[annabanana]

45. There's 36 dems voting yea already?. . yikes

[Parker CA]

49. 43 now.

[MaineDem]

53. I bet it passes

And comes out in conference.

[Politicub]

48. Have any of you watching this thread called in to Cspan? Fess up...

You know who you are...

[Parker CA]

52. Bill will pass. Dems don't have enough votes left to defeat it.

[RoccoR5955]

56. Hopefully the "substitute fecal amendment" will not pass.. n/t

[MaineDem]

62. And I bet my Blue Dog voted for it.

Damn!

[Kdillard]

64. Unbelieable I am so pissed. This better get tossed in reconciliation.

[jenmito]

73. That's Boehner's big fear. I hope it gets tossed, too.

[Politicub]

54. I hope this guy calling in to CSPAN now doesn't pay his taxes when the bill passes

so he gets thrown in "prison for five years and fined $200k."

And that way he won't be able to call in to Cspan any more.

[liberalmuse]

55. I love watching old men decide what's best for us women.

I guess we are much too stupid to be the bosses of our own 'ginas.

[RepublicanElephant]

58. that rnc caller was full of crap.

he's soooo independent, yet he thinks boner is great.

[RoccoR5955]

63. I bet he got one watching the Orange Erection. n/t

[annabanana]

60. Stupak passed...

Well, there's always conference.

[Hutzpa]

65. wtf!

Stupak bill passed? damn...

[davidpdx]

66. Doesn't look good....200-173

[rusty charly]

69. Aren't they redeciding

Roe V. Wade?

[stray cat]

71. No - just what your tax payer dollars will pay for....

[rusty charly]

78. Unlike the Iraq War

I had no say in my tax money going there, and it wasn't even legal.

[stray cat]

80. wouldn't it have been better if we could have opted out of taxes for Iraq as well?

[never cry wolf]

87. Not quite

If a woman gets health insurance from the pool, she will not even be allowed to purchase, with her own private funds, supplemental abortion insurance. She will be kicked out of the pool. Her only option is her full payment for private insurance including abortions.

[Parker CA]

75. Not even close. 236-190 right now with 63 f-ing dems voting yes.

[high density]

70. Glad we funneled all that money to the Democrats last year

Way to go in differentiating yourselves.

[RoccoR5955]

77. If any of the ones I funded voted for this one, they will hear it for me.

I will not donate to the national party, however, I will vote for the individual. I will donate to the local town and county party.

[never cry wolf]

72. Crap, minority and poor women just got raped

Even middle class... This better be takin care of in conference with the Senate bill...

[Clio the Leo]

76. While I understand your anger and frustration....

... "rape" is not a word to be throwing around.

[mvd]

79. I hope it gets changed in conference!

For some reason, anti-choice forces seem to be getting the upper hand. We've got to start calling them "anti-choice" instead of "pro-life."

[Politicub]

74. Shocked to see 63 dems (so far) vote yea on Stupak

F'ing sad.

[RoccoR5955]

81. Find out who they are, and ream them a new one! n/t

[annabanana]

82. Now on to the "Republican Bill". .

[Parker CA]

83. Five mind vote for the Boner ammendment then onto the big vote.

[RoccoR5955]

84. FIVE minute vote on the "substitute" n/t

[annabanana]

85. This should be quick

[LLStarks]

86. WTF. A Dem voted Yea for the Boehner bill!?!?!?! nt

[Parker CA]

89. They fixed the tally. I saw that flash too, but it's back to zero.

[Politicub]

88. Wonder who the 1 dem was who votes yea for Boner bill and then nay?

Someone is sleepy.

[RoccoR5955]

91. wouldn't you be sleepy at this point? n/t

[Politicub]

93. OMG -- I would need to be all hopped up on Sudafed if I were there

[RoccoR5955]

90. Boner amendment just got deflated!

And lookie, lookie... one brave RepubliCON soul voted against it.. You know that he'll get a beating from the Orange man tonight!

[BlueIdaho]

96. Flacid Member...

of congress I mean.

edit=typo

[fugop]

99. Wonder if that's the Calif. rep?

I saw there's a rep from Calif. who "might" vote yay. Maybe that's the nay vote as well?

Oops. Apologies. I'm getting tired, and I hit the wrong place to reply. This was a response to the lone GOP dissenter on the fake Repub. alternative.

[Politicub]

92. Is debate finished?

[RoccoR5955]

97. Yessiree! They're voting now.

That's how it's done.

[Parker CA]

94. Looks like one puke voted against Boner. Might we have that vote? Interesting.

[LLStarks]

95. Oooh. A GOP dissenter. Is that Ahn Cao? nt

[Politicub]

98. A lone republican voted nay -- wonder who it is?

[Graybeard]

101. Might be Boner himself.

I've seen that done for procedural reasons.

[Graybeard]

128. c-span now saying it was Johnson -IL.

[Clio the Leo]

100. see, the Blue Dogs aren't TOTALLY worthless.....

... since they helped defeat the GOP plan.

[RepublicanElephant]

102. oh no, cancer objects to healthcare bill. nt

[annabanana]

106. This isn't a surprise

[Parker CA]

103. Cantor is stalling further.

[annabanana]

104. Now we have to listen to Cantor stall. . What will he use to try

and stop things?

[Politicub]

109. God - what a royal douche. Like a petulant child.

[Politicub]

105. Now what's happening? Will there be hours more of debate?

[high density]

107. what in the HELL NOW IS THIS????

jeeze.

[Politicub]

112. This guy is making no sense. When he talks it sounds like he is whining.

I can't understand him.

[RoccoR5955]

108. If Cancer has a motion to recommit with instructions,

it's 10 min of debate... 5 each side.
If not, it can kill the bill.
http://rules.house.gov/Archives/recommit_mot.htm

[Parker CA]

111. He has five mins.

[quiet.american]

110. O Brother, here we go: Cue the tape -- songs of the beloved "tort reform." nt

[RoccoR5955]

115. Call out the Whaaaaambulance!

[annabanana]

113. lol He' s quoting Howard Dean.. who'da thunk. . it's all tort all the time

[RepublicanElephant]

114. hear cancer, stop taking dean out of context. besides tort reform only affects 1-2% of medical costs

[annabanana]

116. I think this is kind of a thin thread to hang a stall on. .

[RepublicanElephant]

117. medicare advantage? looks like she putting insurance company profits first.

corp cow.

[RoccoR5955]

118. Ginny Brown-Waite should changer her name to Brown-NOSE! n/t

[RoccoR5955]

119. Johnson of Illinois was the R voting against the Boner amendment. n/t

[high density]

122. did he or she press the wrong button by accident or something?

[RepublicanElephant]

120. so repubs only want choice when it's ripping off seniors. nt

[high density]

121. Did this just turn into the House of Commons?

[Clio the Leo]

125. lol, I was about to say.....

..... this would be SO much more fun if we suspended parliamentary procedure and started carrying on ....... like Parliament!

[RepublicanElephant]

123. "trial lawyers". what a bunch of sore-losing BABIES!!! nt

[RoccoR5955]

126. Whaaaaambulance time!

[RepublicanElephant]

127. no kidding!! nt

[RoccoR5955]

124. More PUKE stalling!

They want to stall this forever, I swear!

[Cleita]

129. Beginning to sound like the British Parliament.

They must have let the teabaggers into the gallery,

[high density]

130. heh, so Steny Hoyer can get fired up after all

He usually seems so tame.

[kcass1954]

136. Seriously. Who's spine did he borrow? n/t

[RoccoR5955]

131. GO HOYER!!!!! n/t

[quiet.american]

132. Were those the teabaggers in the gallery, or the teabaggers in the aisles. nt

[RoccoR5955]

133. Both! n/t

[quiet.american]

134. :) nt

[RoccoR5955]

135. Last gasp for the Boner amendment... FIFTEEN minutes n/t

[annabanana]

137. HEY.. There's a NEW THREAD!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[POAS]

138. Another GOP vote against the party position.

[RepublicanElephant]

139. rather sickening how cspan gives equal time to 20% of the electorate.

in a just world, there would be 5 dem calls for every repub call. then again, in a just world, there would be no republican party.