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Which do you prefer--the Democratic party of 1932 or the Democratic party of 2009?

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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 03:06 PM
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Poll question: Which do you prefer--the Democratic party of 1932 or the Democratic party of 2009?
There's been some talk about how people miss the Democratic party of FDR and its populism. So, let's put it to the test.

Do we favor the New Deal, the WPA, and segregated lunch counters?

Or do we favor racial equality, the current health care bill, and TARP?

Poll result (24 votes)
I prefer FDR's 1932 party--economic populism, pro workers, along with Jim Crow and interning Japanese Americans (11 votes, 46%)Vote
I prefer Obama's 2009 party, which favors social justice and multiculturalism but is too cozy with corporate powers (13 votes, 54%)Vote

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   for those voting for 1932, were you even alive then?  Aramchek   Nov-07-09 03:09 PM   #1 
   apparently, most DU'ers want to roll back the clock.  geek tragedy   Nov-07-09 03:29 PM   #17 
      even when they have no idea what it was like in 1932...  Aramchek   Nov-07-09 04:00 PM   #24 
   I prefer a progressive democratic socialist alternative. nt.  Warren Stupidity   Nov-07-09 03:10 PM   #2 
   Is Sweden taking US refugees?  geek tragedy   Nov-07-09 03:10 PM   #3 
      I will seriously consider the EU if the Teabag Party takes over. nt  Warren Stupidity   Nov-07-09 03:13 PM   #4 
         I'm heading to Costa Rica  geek tragedy   Nov-07-09 03:15 PM   #7 
         If Democrats sit home on their fat asses in 2010, it could happen  emulatorloo   Nov-07-09 03:29 PM   #18 
   How about Mario Cuomo's Democratic Party of 1984  the other one   Nov-07-09 03:14 PM   #5 
   Unfortunately, that party did nothing because it got  geek tragedy   Nov-07-09 03:15 PM   #6 
   Ugh...you make me miss my state. My family were avid fanatics of Cuomo.  vaberella   Nov-07-09 03:15 PM   #8 
      Why didn't he run? Very frustrating. nt  geek tragedy   Nov-07-09 03:20 PM   #11 
         We never new. I was a kid at the time and I think he said he wanted to retire from politics.  vaberella   Nov-07-09 03:26 PM   #14 
   Strawman argument. Of course, nobody supports racism.  Mass   Nov-07-09 03:16 PM   #9 
   No, but it's a matter of priorities. nt  geek tragedy   Nov-07-09 03:18 PM   #10 
      What priorities? Making sure people have healthcare and a job?  Mass   Nov-07-09 03:20 PM   #12 
         Priorities are: economic populism and jobs programs  geek tragedy   Nov-07-09 03:27 PM   #15 
   Hold the phone  bluestateguy   Nov-07-09 03:22 PM   #13 
   The defining characteristics are what they actually did while in office. nt  geek tragedy   Nov-07-09 03:28 PM   #16 
   Absolutely true-- in some ways FDR ran to the right of Hoover!  andym   Nov-07-09 03:50 PM   #22 
      "Cactus Jack"  bluestateguy   Nov-07-09 03:54 PM   #23 
   Golly, who could think there was an agenda in THAT question?  JackRiddler   Nov-07-09 03:36 PM   #19 
      What are you talking about?  geek tragedy   Nov-07-09 03:38 PM   #20 
         "So far" a grand total of 13 members have taken the bait.  JackRiddler   Nov-07-09 03:41 PM   #21 
 
Aramchek (929 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 03:09 PM
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1. for those voting for 1932, were you even alive then?
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 03:29 PM
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17. apparently, most DU'ers want to roll back the clock.
Though the polls are still open. . . .
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Aramchek (929 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 04:00 PM
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24. even when they have no idea what it was like in 1932...
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 03:10 PM
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2. I prefer a progressive democratic socialist alternative. nt.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 03:10 PM
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3. Is Sweden taking US refugees?
If so, I might consider it myself.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 03:13 PM
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4. I will seriously consider the EU if the Teabag Party takes over. nt
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 03:15 PM
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7. I'm heading to Costa Rica
if that happens.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 03:29 PM
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18. If Democrats sit home on their fat asses in 2010, it could happen
Because the baggers are going to be out in full force to "Take Their Country Back" to the stoneage.
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the other one Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sat Nov-07-09 03:14 PM
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5. How about Mario Cuomo's Democratic Party of 1984
A fully mature party of social justice that countered a charismatic Ronald Reagan with a block of petrified wood named Walter Mondale

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOdIqKsv624
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 03:15 PM
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6. Unfortunately, that party did nothing because it got
its ass handed to it at the polls.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sat Nov-07-09 03:15 PM
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8. Ugh...you make me miss my state. My family were avid fanatics of Cuomo.
We advocated for him to be President.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 03:20 PM
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11. Why didn't he run? Very frustrating. nt
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sat Nov-07-09 03:26 PM
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14. We never new. I was a kid at the time and I think he said he wanted to retire from politics.
I guess he had had enough. But then I know he had a lot of opposition from peeps in New York too. I know my dad adored him and my mum was a horrible fangirl (she was a Guilliani fangirl until 2002). She didn't like him advocating for a third term.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 03:16 PM
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9. Strawman argument. Of course, nobody supports racism.
This does not mean that we could not do with a little more progressivism in the party. It is not as if both were desperatedly linked.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 03:18 PM
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10. No, but it's a matter of priorities. nt
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 03:20 PM
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12. What priorities? Making sure people have healthcare and a job?
Or making sure corporations are happy?
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 03:27 PM
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15. Priorities are: economic populism and jobs programs
vs ending discrimination in society and a more cooperative approach to dealing with big corporations

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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 03:22 PM
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13. Hold the phone
Everybody needs to read Donald Ritchie's book on that campaign:

http://www.amazon.com/Electing-FDR-Campaign-Presidentia...

Fact is that the Democratic campaign that year, and the party platform, was conservative, calling for balancing the federal budget.

FDR was vague about the New Deal and policy specific programs in that campaign.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 03:28 PM
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16. The defining characteristics are what they actually did while in office. nt
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andym Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 03:50 PM
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22. Absolutely true-- in some ways FDR ran to the right of Hoover!
Franklin Roosevelt's first vice president, John Garner, during the campaign accused Herbert Hoover of “leading the country down the path of socialism."
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23. "Cactus Jack"
"The vice presidency isn't worth a bucket of warm shit"
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 03:36 PM
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19. Golly, who could think there was an agenda in THAT question?
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 03:38 PM
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20. What are you talking about?
I was genuinely curious about which Democratic party people preferred.

So, far, economic populism + apartheid is winning.
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21. "So far" a grand total of 13 members have taken the bait.
Congratulations if you reach 20.
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